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1. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Richard McBride)
2. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Max wind speed limit (William L. Paulin)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Robin Marks)
4. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Richard McBride)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Robin Marks)
6. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Richard McBride)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Chris Johnston)
8. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Robin Marks)
9. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Robin Marks)
10. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Chris Johnston)
11. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations (Robin Marks)
12. 04:41 PM - Re: cross winds and cabbages (Glen Matejcek)
13. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: cross winds and cabbages (cs@charlesstringham.com)
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
Robin,
I permanently installed an O2 system in my -8 but I agree with Stan that
it's not desirable nor necessary. I wouldn't do it again. What a
couple of my friends have done that works very well is to install a
temporary mount directly behind the passenger seat to mount the tank
perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the airplane. They used a
tank top mounted regulator. You can easily and quickly mount the tank
in you anticipate needing O2. =46rom there they permanently ran the low
pressure hose from the baggage compartment to hard mounted receptacles
for the pilot and passenger. Before a flight where you anticipate use
of the oxygen, simply turn on the flow at the regulator. At least with
our Mountain High Systems there is no need to adjust at the regulator in
flight. The adjustment is made on the flow meter attached to the
cannula line. You won't see any loss of oxygen due at the receptacles.
When you're ready to use, simply install the cannulas. When you're
done, just remove the cannula line and the system seals back up. At the
end of the flight just turn off the flow at the regulator. It's also
nice that you can easily remove the tank for refill. Another option I
use is a pulse-demand unit. You would then only need to mount one
receptacle. Although a pulse-demand unit is pricey they work well and
greatly extend the capacity of the O2 tank. They are available from
Mountain High Oxygen.
Rick McBride
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
> Robin,
> I have climbed my 8A to FL240 using a borrowed O2 bottle and mask.
The unit worked perfectly. It was easy to set the desired Oxy flow.
I've been in the USAF altitude chamber a number of times and I know my
hypoxia symptoms perfectly and I had no indication of hypoxia. I test
flew the bottle to 17.5k feet before going higher so as to make sure I
knew how to use it and insure proper operation.
> I can't recall the brand name offhand, but I will find out which one
it was and give you a pirep on it. Should I buy one, it is the one I
will buy.
> Personally, I would not install a permanent O2 system in a RV. That
would mean carrying around the weight for the life of the airplane. RVs
tend to get overweight anyway, so flying around with something that
might me used a time or two per year is, for me, not worthwhile.
> The issue with a portable bottle is finding a place to store and
secure it for the flight. If you're solo, then the solution is
relatively simple. I put it alongside my seat with a SS hose clamp to
hold it to the sidewall. A better means of attachment could easily be
installed with several hose clamps attached to nutplates on the
sidewall. With a passenger, the problem is more complicated. You need
access to the top of the bottle to adjust the O2 flow, so storing it
away in a baggage compartment is not feasible. I've seen some
"backpack" type harnesses the hand on the back of the front seat, but
there are issues with that also - you have to depend of the passenger to
adjust the O2 and the rear stick would have to be removed to avoid any
possibility of jamming against the bottle.
> Of course the 6, 7, and 9 can put it behind the seat and reach over
for adjustments.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list@matronics.com writes:
> It=92s past time for me to be considering O2 for my 8A. I have an
integrate
> d
> system in my -10 which was the right call for that plane but I don=92t
see
> the
> need for a permanently fixed bottle on the 8A for my mission. I can
see a
> removable bottle or even just a bottle & padded pouch to place in the
> cockpit for occasional X-Country use and no hard mounting of O2 pick
up
> locations. Does anyone have a suggestions / photos of the systems they
use?
> I am looking for practical solutions, not full blown O2 system in the
> forward baggage & routed hard lines.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Max wind speed limit |
I worked for Boeing in the 60s & 70s (aero engineer) and believe that I
remember a time when the FAA was a champion for the industry. Not so
any more it seems. While there are good guys there, it is mainly a
rigid, controlling bureaucracy, it seems ... remember what they did to
Bob Hoover? A friend of mine who built his aviation business into a
$700 m company was forced to dispose of it by the FAA without due
process, etc. for the same sort of reason as Hoover ... someone in the
agency seemed to get on his case ... as best we can tell.
But the TSA tops them all. About a month ago, my wife and I were flying
out of PHX and the TSA inspection line suddenly stopped. They were
shutting ALL lines down but one and feeding all the folks in front of us
through the one remaining open. Then, as our line swelled to many over
100 folks, the TSA supervisor held a briefing session for his staff
right in front of us for another 20 minutes or so. All in all, it took
nearly an hour to get through, we met at least 5 folks who missed their
flight (on our flight alone) and all they could say was "did you arrive
2 1/2 hours early?"
I fly GA in Europe a bit, and it is getting worse here like there, it
seems. I think we are often better off depending upon our selves than
with the FAA's help ... on all except basic standards and maintenance
rules. Bureaucracies always seem to go from the necessary helping (why
they were born) to the extreme over control and hurting.
Bill
On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
Dr. Paulin,
Please accept my apology. I misread your comment.
I'd like to think that each pilot does think about his experience level
and flying time in order to create his own self imposed limits. I
believe that an even more important consideration is how much exposure
the pilot has experienced with unusual or demanding situations. I've
found that I rarely fully consider all the possible outcomes and
consequences of a given situation. If I survive the situation without
damaging anything, then I do my own NTSB to analyze what else I should
have considered and how I can make a better decision the next time (note
that the next decision could be the same as the first one - except that
additional knowledge makes it a more learned decision).
I'd like to remark about your statement "The FAA is already pricing
flying out of most folks reach..." I do agree with you that flying has
become terribly expensive and out of reach of most Americans. The FAA
has contributed heavily to the problem without commensurate benefits.
However, I've owned ten single engine aircraft over the years. I
remember selling my 1962 C-172 in 1976 because the cost of flying was
"out of control." The cost of Av gas had reached 76 cents per gallon
and people could not afford such prices!!! And woe was us because the
government was going to force us to all use LL fuel and all of our
engines were going to die and cost us millions.
Now we are facing the end of LL fuel and many journalists are crying
gloom and doom again.
It seems to me that people who love flying airplanes will find a way - I
know I will.
One disturbing trend though, is that of airspace restricted from GA
operations. The massive use of TFRs is out of control and AOPA seems to
welcome the trend - instead of fighting as they should. Have you tried
to navigate to DCA lately? You, as an American citizen, cannot use DCA
as a navigation point. And it is restricted only for the convenience of
the TSA.
There is even a TFR over Disney World!! That is simply political
cronyism. Pilots should NOT have to worry about an interception or a
violation for flying over Disney World at 1500' AGL.
Okay - this rant is over, too. I get fired up too easily, I guess.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
PS - I've dropped my AOPA membership because they no longer stand for
what is right. There - that should get some rounds coming my way. : )
In a message dated 7/11/2011 3:03:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8-list@matronics.com writes:
I meant self imposed limits ... for self and the AC being flown.
The last thing I would want on earth is another government involvement
in anything. The FAA is already pricing flying out of most folks reach,
with a LOT less benefit created than their astronomical, bureaucratic
cost.
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
Good tips, Thanks Rick.
I have an Aerox system in my -10 but I am hearing good things about the
Mountain High system. I will hopefully be checking them out at OSH.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com>wrote:
> Robin,
>
> I permanently installed an O2 system in my -8 but I agree with Stan that
> it's not desirable nor necessary. I wouldn't do it again. What a couple of
> my friends have done that works very well is to install a temporary mount
> directly behind the passenger seat to mount the tank perpendicular to the
> longitudinal axis of the airplane. They used a tank top mounted regulator.
> You can easily and quickly mount the tank in you anticipate needing O2.
> From there they permanently ran the low pressure hose from the baggage
> compartment to hard mounted receptacles for the pilot and passenger. Before
> a flight where you anticipate use of the oxygen, simply turn on the flow at
> the regulator. At least with our Mountain High Systems there is no need to
> adjust at the regulator in flight. The adjustment is made on the flow meter
> attached to the cannula line. You won't see any loss of oxygen due at the
> receptacles. When you're ready to use, simply install the cannulas. When
> you're done, just remove the cannula line and the system seals back up. At
> the end of the flight just turn off the flow at the regulator. It's also
> nice that you can easily remove the tank for refill. Another option I use
> is a pulse-demand unit. You would then only need to mount one receptacle.
> Although a pulse-demand unit is pricey they work well and greatly extend
> the capacity of the O2 tank. They are available from Mountain High Oxygen.
>
> Rick McBride
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
>
> Robin,
> I have climbed my 8A to FL240 using a borrowed O2 bottle and mask. The
> unit worked perfectly. It was easy to set the desired Oxy flow. I've been
> in the USAF altitude chamber a number of times and I know my hypoxia
> symptoms perfectly and I had no indication of hypoxia. I test flew the
> bottle to 17.5k feet before going higher so as to make sure I knew how to
> use it and insure proper operation.
> I can't recall the brand name offhand, but I will find out which one it was
> and give you a pirep on it. Should I buy one, it is the one I will buy.
> Personally, I would not install a permanent O2 system in a RV. That would
> mean carrying around the weight for the life of the airplane. RVs tend to
> get overweight anyway, so flying around with something that might me used a
> time or two per year is, for me, not worthwhile.
> The issue with a portable bottle is finding a place to store and secure it
> for the flight. If you're solo, then the solution is relatively simple. I
> put it alongside my seat with a SS hose clamp to hold it to the sidewall. A
> better means of attachment could easily be installed with several hose
> clamps attached to nutplates on the sidewall. With a passenger, the problem
> is more complicated. You need access to the top of the bottle to adjust the
> O2 flow, so storing it away in a baggage compartment is not feasible. I've
> seen some "backpack" type harnesses the hand on the back of the front seat,
> but there are issues with that also - you have to depend of the passenger to
> adjust the O2 and the rear stick would have to be removed to avoid any
> possibility of jamming against the bottle.
> Of course the 6, 7, and 9 can put it behind the seat and reach over for
> adjustments.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
> In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rv8-list@matronics.com writes:
>
> It=92s past time for me to be considering O2 for my 8A. I have an integrate
> d
> system in my -10 which was the right call for that plane but I don=92t see
> the
> need for a permanently fixed bottle on the 8A for my mission. I can see a
> removable bottle or even just a bottle & padded pouch to place in the
> cockpit for occasional X-Country use and no hard mounting of O2 pick up
> locations. Does anyone have a suggestions / photos of the systems they use?
> I am looking for practical solutions, not full blown O2 system in the
> forward baggage & routed hard lines.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
> *
>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
Robin,
If you want to see the setup I described, two of the airplanes will be at OS
H Sunday through Thursday. Just let me know.
Rick
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> Good tips, Thanks Rick.
> I have an Aerox system in my -10 but I am hearing good things about the Mo
untain High system. I will hopefully be checking them out at OSH.
>
> Robin
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com> wro
te:
> Robin,
>
> I permanently installed an O2 system in my -8 but I agree with Stan that i
t's not desirable nor necessary. I wouldn't do it again. What a couple of m
y friends have done that works very well is to install a temporary mount dir
ectly behind the passenger seat to mount the tank perpendicular to the longi
tudinal axis of the airplane. They used a tank top mounted regulator. You c
an easily and quickly mount the tank in you anticipate needing O2. =46rom t
here they permanently ran the low pressure hose from the baggage compartment
to hard mounted receptacles for the pilot and passenger. Before a flight w
here you anticipate use of the oxygen, simply turn on the flow at the regula
tor. At least with our Mountain High Systems there is no need to adjust at t
he regulator in flight. The adjustment is made on the flow meter attached t
o the cannula line. You won't see any loss of oxygen due at the receptacles
. When you're ready to use, simply install the cannulas. When you're done,
just remove the cannula line and the system seals back up. At the end of t
he flight just turn off the flow at the regulator. It's also nice that you c
an easily remove the tank for refill. Another option I use is a pulse-deman
d unit. You would then only need to mount one receptacle. Although a pulse
-demand unit is pricey they work well and greatly extend the capacity of the
O2 tank. They are available from Mountain High Oxygen.
>
> Rick McBride
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>> I have climbed my 8A to FL240 using a borrowed O2 bottle and mask. The u
nit worked perfectly. It was easy to set the desired Oxy flow. I've been i
n the USAF altitude chamber a number of times and I know my hypoxia symptoms
perfectly and I had no indication of hypoxia. I test flew the bottle to 17
.5k feet before going higher so as to make sure I knew how to use it and ins
ure proper operation.
>> I can't recall the brand name offhand, but I will find out which one it w
as and give you a pirep on it. Should I buy one, it is the one I will buy.
>> Personally, I would not install a permanent O2 system in a RV. That woul
d mean carrying around the weight for the life of the airplane. RVs tend to
get overweight anyway, so flying around with something that might me used a
time or two per year is, for me, not worthwhile.
>> The issue with a portable bottle is finding a place to store and secure i
t for the flight. If you're solo, then the solution is relatively simple.
I put it alongside my seat with a SS hose clamp to hold it to the sidewall.
A better means of attachment could easily be installed with several hose c
lamps attached to nutplates on the sidewall. With a passenger, the problem i
s more complicated. You need access to the top of the bottle to adjust the O
2 flow, so storing it away in a baggage compartment is not feasible. I've s
een some "backpack" type harnesses the hand on the back of the front seat, b
ut there are issues with that also - you have to depend of the passenger to a
djust the O2 and the rear stick would have to be removed to avoid any possib
ility of jamming against the bottle.
>> Of course the 6, 7, and 9 can put it behind the seat and reach over for a
djustments.
>> Stan Sutterfield
>>
>> In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rv8-list
@matronics.com writes:
>> It=92s past time for me to be considering O2 for my 8A. I have an integ
rate
>> d
>> system in my -10 which was the right call for that plane but I don=92t s
ee
>> the
>> need for a permanently fixed bottle on the 8A for my mission. I can see a
>> removable bottle or even just a bottle & padded pouch to place in the
>> cockpit for occasional X-Country use and no hard mounting of O2 pick up
>> locations. Does anyone have a suggestions / photos of the systems they us
e?
>> I am looking for practical solutions, not full blown O2 system in the
>> forward baggage & routed hard lines.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ontribution
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
I definitely do want to see the setup. I will touch base if/when I get to
OSH this year.
Thanks,
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com>wrote:
> Robin,
>
> If you want to see the setup I described, two of the airplanes will be at
> OSH Sunday through Thursday. Just let me know.
>
> Rick
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
>
> Good tips, Thanks Rick.
> I have an Aerox system in my -10 but I am hearing good things about the
> Mountain High system. I will hopefully be checking them out at OSH.
>
> Robin
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Richard McBride < <rick.mcbride@me.com>
> rick.mcbride@me.com> wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> I permanently installed an O2 system in my -8 but I agree with Stan that
>> it's not desirable nor necessary. I wouldn't do it again. What a couple of
>> my friends have done that works very well is to install a temporary mount
>> directly behind the passenger seat to mount the tank perpendicular to the
>> longitudinal axis of the airplane. They used a tank top mounted regulator.
>> You can easily and quickly mount the tank in you anticipate needing O2.
>> From there they permanently ran the low pressure hose from the baggage
>> compartment to hard mounted receptacles for the pilot and passenger. Before
>> a flight where you anticipate use of the oxygen, simply turn on the flow at
>> the regulator. At least with our Mountain High Systems there is no need to
>> adjust at the regulator in flight. The adjustment is made on the flow meter
>> attached to the cannula line. You won't see any loss of oxygen due at the
>> receptacles. When you're ready to use, simply install the cannulas. When
>> you're done, just remove the cannula line and the system seals back up. At
>> the end of the flight just turn off the flow at the regulator. It's also
>> nice that you can easily remove the tank for refill. Another option I use
>> is a pulse-demand unit. You would then only need to mount one receptacle.
>> Although a pulse-demand unit is pricey they work well and greatly extend
>> the capacity of the O2 tank. They are available from Mountain High Oxygen.
>>
>> Rick McBride
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, <Speedy11@aol.com>Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Robin,
>> I have climbed my 8A to FL240 using a borrowed O2 bottle and mask. The
>> unit worked perfectly. It was easy to set the desired Oxy flow. I've been
>> in the USAF altitude chamber a number of times and I know my hypoxia
>> symptoms perfectly and I had no indication of hypoxia. I test flew the
>> bottle to 17.5k feet before going higher so as to make sure I knew how to
>> use it and insure proper operation.
>> I can't recall the brand name offhand, but I will find out which one it
>> was and give you a pirep on it. Should I buy one, it is the one I will buy.
>> Personally, I would not install a permanent O2 system in a RV. That would
>> mean carrying around the weight for the life of the airplane. RVs tend to
>> get overweight anyway, so flying around with something that might me used a
>> time or two per year is, for me, not worthwhile.
>> The issue with a portable bottle is finding a place to store and secure it
>> for the flight. If you're solo, then the solution is relatively simple. I
>> put it alongside my seat with a SS hose clamp to hold it to the sidewall. A
>> better means of attachment could easily be installed with several hose
>> clamps attached to nutplates on the sidewall. With a passenger, the problem
>> is more complicated. You need access to the top of the bottle to adjust the
>> O2 flow, so storing it away in a baggage compartment is not feasible. I've
>> seen some "backpack" type harnesses the hand on the back of the front seat,
>> but there are issues with that also - you have to depend of the passenger to
>> adjust the O2 and the rear stick would have to be removed to avoid any
>> possibility of jamming against the bottle.
>> Of course the 6, 7, and 9 can put it behind the seat and reach over for
>> adjustments.
>> Stan Sutterfield
>>
>> In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> <rv8-list@matronics.com>rv8-list@matronics.com writes:
>>
>> It=92s past time for me to be considering O2 for my 8A. I have an
>> integrate
>> d
>> system in my -10 which was the right call for that plane but I don=92t see
>>
>> the
>> need for a permanently fixed bottle on the 8A for my mission. I can see a
>> removable bottle or even just a bottle & padded pouch to place in the
>> cockpit for occasional X-Country use and no hard mounting of O2 pick up
>> locations. Does anyone have a suggestions / photos of the systems they
>> use?
>> I am looking for practical solutions, not full blown O2 system in the
>> forward baggage & routed hard lines.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robin
>>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
My cell is 703-599-7804. We'll be arriving Sunday morning and departing Thu
rsday morning. Call anytime.
Rick McBride
On Jul 12, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> I definitely do want to see the setup. I will touch base if/when I get to O
SH this year.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com> wro
te:
> Robin,
>
> If you want to see the setup I described, two of the airplanes will be at O
SH Sunday through Thursday. Just let me know.
>
> Rick
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
>
>> Good tips, Thanks Rick.
>> I have an Aerox system in my -10 but I am hearing good things about the M
ountain High system. I will hopefully be checking them out at OSH.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Richard McBride <rick.mcbride@me.com> wr
ote:
>> Robin,
>>
>> I permanently installed an O2 system in my -8 but I agree with Stan that i
t's not desirable nor necessary. I wouldn't do it again. What a couple of m
y friends have done that works very well is to install a temporary mount dir
ectly behind the passenger seat to mount the tank perpendicular to the longi
tudinal axis of the airplane. They used a tank top mounted regulator. You c
an easily and quickly mount the tank in you anticipate needing O2. =46rom t
here they permanently ran the low pressure hose from the baggage compartment
to hard mounted receptacles for the pilot and passenger. Before a flight w
here you anticipate use of the oxygen, simply turn on the flow at the regula
tor. At least with our Mountain High Systems there is no need to adjust at t
he regulator in flight. The adjustment is made on the flow meter attached t
o the cannula line. You won't see any loss of oxygen due at the receptacles
. When you're ready to use, simply install the cannulas. When you're done,
just remove the cannula line and the system seals back up. At the end of t
he flight just turn off the flow at the regulator. It's also nice that you c
an easily remove the tank for refill. Another option I use is a pulse-deman
d unit. You would then only need to mount one receptacle. Although a pulse
-demand unit is pricey they work well and greatly extend the capacity of the
O2 tank. They are available from Mountain High Oxygen.
>>
>> Rick McBride
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Robin,
>>> I have climbed my 8A to FL240 using a borrowed O2 bottle and mask. The u
nit worked perfectly. It was easy to set the desired Oxy flow. I've been i
n the USAF altitude chamber a number of times and I know my hypoxia symptoms
perfectly and I had no indication of hypoxia. I test flew the bottle to 17
.5k feet before going higher so as to make sure I knew how to use it and ins
ure proper operation.
>>> I can't recall the brand name offhand, but I will find out which one it w
as and give you a pirep on it. Should I buy one, it is the one I will buy.
>>> Personally, I would not install a permanent O2 system in a RV. That wou
ld mean carrying around the weight for the life of the airplane. RVs tend t
o get overweight anyway, so flying around with something that might me used a
time or two per year is, for me, not worthwhile.
>>> The issue with a portable bottle is finding a place to store and secure i
t for the flight. If you're solo, then the solution is relatively simple.
I put it alongside my seat with a SS hose clamp to hold it to the sidewall.
A better means of attachment could easily be installed with several hose c
lamps attached to nutplates on the sidewall. With a passenger, the problem i
s more complicated. You need access to the top of the bottle to adjust the O
2 flow, so storing it away in a baggage compartment is not feasible. I've s
een some "backpack" type harnesses the hand on the back of the front seat, b
ut there are issues with that also - you have to depend of the passenger to a
djust the O2 and the rear stick would have to be removed to avoid any possib
ility of jamming against the bottle.
>>> Of course the 6, 7, and 9 can put it behind the seat and reach over for a
djustments.
>>> Stan Sutterfield
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/10/2011 3:11:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rv8-lis
t@matronics.com writes:
>>> It=92s past time for me to be considering O2 for my 8A. I have an inte
grate
>>> d
>>> system in my -10 which was the right call for that plane but I don=92t
see
>>> the
>>> need for a permanently fixed bottle on the 8A for my mission. I can see a
>>> removable bottle or even just a bottle & padded pouch to place in the
>>> cockpit for occasional X-Country use and no hard mounting of O2 pick up
>>> locations. Does anyone have a suggestions / photos of the systems they u
se?
>>> I am looking for practical solutions, not full blown O2 system in the
>>> forward baggage & routed hard lines.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?RV8-List
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>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
contribution
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>>
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Hey Robin -
I've been using the Mountain High O2D2 system in my 8 for big trips, and it has
performed very well. I bought a 623L composite cylinder that's rated to 3000
psi, but nobody seems to be able to fill it higher than 2000psi. I put the Mountain
High unit next to my right elbow in the cockpit with some duallock tape
(holds up really well, kind of like velcro but tougher and more mechanical)
so I can pull it out when not in use. I secure the bottle in a perfect sized
tool box in the rear baggage area, and the box is held tight with tiedowns that
I have back there. I drilled a hole in the toolbox for the oxygen tube, and
it runs out of the baggage area through a tooling hole in the bulkhead, then
secured along it's length under the canopy sill til it reaches the unit. Operation
only requires that you turn the bottle on before you go, and if I'm using
the oxygen, I'm definitely traveling, so as I'm packing up the baggage area
I turn the bottle on, then secure it, then finish packing. Haven't forgotten
to turn it on or off yet! Operation is simple, as it measures the cabin altitude
and supplies the appropriate amount of oxygen, which you can manually increase
if desired. I use a little pulse oxymeter on my finger to check O2 levels
during flight. Works great. On my first trip with my girlfriend, I had to
boost the level of oxygen manually in an attempt to get her O2 levels up, until
I figured out that she tends to breathe through her mouth... Turned around
and looked at her while she was snoozing on a leg and there was the answer! Subsequent
flights were totally fine. With two of us using oxygen for most of
the flight, we seem to get about 15 hours of O2 from the system. Worked great
in april when we flew to the Bahamas and back in the 8! Getting ready for a
trip next week that'll go Tahoe, Vail CO, then on to AZ and back home. Time to
fill the bottle! The Mountain High system was a bit pricey, but it effectively
saves oxygen on trips so you don't have to find a place to get the bottle
filled whi!
le you'r
e traveling. Anyway, just my experience.
cj
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Chris,
Is this the Chris with the -10 in So Cal? I recall you were very far along
but then I didn't see you active on the list any more. I remember your total
entertainment center on the -10. Plus your SJ cowl. Are you still building
the -10? Did it ever first flight?
If you have extra dual lock you can secure your girlfriend's mouth to save
on O2? Just an idea... I use Dual Lock on one of my products so I have tons
available to me.
I get free O2 at my FBO but they also seem to be limited to 2,000 psi (at
most). Thanks for the bottle sizing, I will definitely check that out at
OSH.
Thanks for the tips,
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com>wrote:
>
> Hey Robin -
>
> I've been using the Mountain High O2D2 system in my 8 for big trips, and it
> has performed very well. I bought a 623L composite cylinder that's rated to
> 3000 psi, but nobody seems to be able to fill it higher than 2000psi. I put
> the Mountain High unit next to my right elbow in the cockpit with some
> duallock tape (holds up really well, kind of like velcro but tougher and
> more mechanical) so I can pull it out when not in use. I secure the bottle
> in a perfect sized tool box in the rear baggage area, and the box is held
> tight with tiedowns that I have back there. I drilled a hole in the toolbox
> for the oxygen tube, and it runs out of the baggage area through a tooling
> hole in the bulkhead, then secured along it's length under the canopy sill
> til it reaches the unit. Operation only requires that you turn the bottle
> on before you go, and if I'm using the oxygen, I'm definitely traveling, so
> as I'm packing up the baggage area I turn the bottle on, then secure it,
> then finish pa!
> cking. Haven't forgotten to turn it on or off yet! Operation is simple,
> as it measures the cabin altitude and supplies the appropriate amount of
> oxygen, which you can manually increase if desired. I use a little pulse
> oxymeter on my finger to check O2 levels during flight. Works great. On my
> first trip with my girlfriend, I had to boost the level of oxygen manually
> in an attempt to get her O2 levels up, until I figured out that she tends to
> breathe through her mouth... Turned around and looked at her while she was
> snoozing on a leg and there was the answer! Subsequent flights were totally
> fine. With two of us using oxygen for most of the flight, we seem to get
> about 15 hours of O2 from the system. Worked great in april when we flew to
> the Bahamas and back in the 8! Getting ready for a trip next week that'll
> go Tahoe, Vail CO, then on to AZ and back home. Time to fill the bottle!
> The Mountain High system was a bit pricey, but it effectively saves oxygen
> on trips !
> so you don't have to find a place to get the bottle filled whi!
> le you'r
> e traveling. Anyway, just my experience.
>
> cj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
Ok, I just purchased the Mountain High 2 place portable system w/o the Pulse
Demand accessory at this time. I can add later if I need. They offered the
OSH discount and free shipping so I went for it.
Thanks for everyone's input,
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> Is this the Chris with the -10 in So Cal? I recall you were very far along
> but then I didn't see you active on the list any more. I remember your total
> entertainment center on the -10. Plus your SJ cowl. Are you still building
> the -10? Did it ever first flight?
> If you have extra dual lock you can secure your girlfriend's mouth to save
> on O2? Just an idea... I use Dual Lock on one of my products so I have tons
> available to me.
> I get free O2 at my FBO but they also seem to be limited to 2,000 psi (at
> most). Thanks for the bottle sizing, I will definitely check that out at
> OSH.
>
> Thanks for the tips,
> Robin
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Robin -
>>
>> I've been using the Mountain High O2D2 system in my 8 for big trips, and
>> it has performed very well. I bought a 623L composite cylinder that's rated
>> to 3000 psi, but nobody seems to be able to fill it higher than 2000psi. I
>> put the Mountain High unit next to my right elbow in the cockpit with some
>> duallock tape (holds up really well, kind of like velcro but tougher and
>> more mechanical) so I can pull it out when not in use. I secure the bottle
>> in a perfect sized tool box in the rear baggage area, and the box is held
>> tight with tiedowns that I have back there. I drilled a hole in the toolbox
>> for the oxygen tube, and it runs out of the baggage area through a tooling
>> hole in the bulkhead, then secured along it's length under the canopy sill
>> til it reaches the unit. Operation only requires that you turn the bottle
>> on before you go, and if I'm using the oxygen, I'm definitely traveling, so
>> as I'm packing up the baggage area I turn the bottle on, then secure it,
>> then finish pa!
>> cking. Haven't forgotten to turn it on or off yet! Operation is simple,
>> as it measures the cabin altitude and supplies the appropriate amount of
>> oxygen, which you can manually increase if desired. I use a little pulse
>> oxymeter on my finger to check O2 levels during flight. Works great. On my
>> first trip with my girlfriend, I had to boost the level of oxygen manually
>> in an attempt to get her O2 levels up, until I figured out that she tends to
>> breathe through her mouth... Turned around and looked at her while she was
>> snoozing on a leg and there was the answer! Subsequent flights were totally
>> fine. With two of us using oxygen for most of the flight, we seem to get
>> about 15 hours of O2 from the system. Worked great in april when we flew to
>> the Bahamas and back in the 8! Getting ready for a trip next week that'll
>> go Tahoe, Vail CO, then on to AZ and back home. Time to fill the bottle!
>> The Mountain High system was a bit pricey, but it effectively saves oxygen
>> on trips !
>> so you don't have to find a place to get the bottle filled whi!
>> le you'r
>> e traveling. Anyway, just my experience.
>>
>> cj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations |
Yup, that's me! I'm still building the 10. Getting there, but it's been an extremely
busy couple of years at work which leaves minimal time for building.
And flying. And skydiving, and a relationship! I'm still plugging along on the
10, and it'll get done at some point. I still monitor the lists, but there
are smarter guys than me with all the answers! The 10 is getting a panel re-design,
which is funny since it didn't get all the way built yet, but I had the
opportunity to pick up a GTN750, then that led to other stuff... You know how
it goes. Been flying the 8 all over the place though, and loving the heck out
of it. Maybe one of these days we can try to make a plan to meet up? Be good
to finally meet you!
cj
________________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robin Marks [robin@PaintTheWeb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations
Chris,
Is this the Chris with the -10 in So Cal? I recall you were very far along but
then I didn't see you active on the list any more. I remember your total entertainment
center on the -10. Plus your SJ cowl. Are you still building the -10?
Did it ever first flight?
If you have extra dual lock you can secure your girlfriend's mouth to save on O2?
Just an idea... I use Dual Lock on one of my products so I have tons available
to me.
I get free O2 at my FBO but they also seem to be limited to 2,000 psi (at most).
Thanks for the bottle sizing, I will definitely check that out at OSH.
Thanks for the tips,
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com<mailto:CJohnston@popsound.com>> wrote:
Hey Robin -
I've been using the Mountain High O2D2 system in my 8 for big trips, and it has
performed very well. I bought a 623L composite cylinder that's rated to 3000
psi, but nobody seems to be able to fill it higher than 2000psi. I put the Mountain
High unit next to my right elbow in the cockpit with some duallock tape
(holds up really well, kind of like velcro but tougher and more mechanical)
so I can pull it out when not in use. I secure the bottle in a perfect sized
tool box in the rear baggage area, and the box is held tight with tiedowns that
I have back there. I drilled a hole in the toolbox for the oxygen tube, and
it runs out of the baggage area through a tooling hole in the bulkhead, then
secured along it's length under the canopy sill til it reaches the unit. Operation
only requires that you turn the bottle on before you go, and if I'm using
the oxygen, I'm definitely traveling, so as I'm packing up the baggage area
I turn the bottle on, then secure it, then finish pa!
cking. Haven't forgotten to turn it on or off yet! Operation is simple, as it
measures the cabin altitude and supplies the appropriate amount of oxygen, which
you can manually increase if desired. I use a little pulse oxymeter on my
finger to check O2 levels during flight. Works great. On my first trip with
my girlfriend, I had to boost the level of oxygen manually in an attempt to
get her O2 levels up, until I figured out that she tends to breathe through her
mouth... Turned around and looked at her while she was snoozing on a leg and
there was the answer! Subsequent flights were totally fine. With two of us
using oxygen for most of the flight, we seem to get about 15 hours of O2 from
the system. Worked great in april when we flew to the Bahamas and back in the
8! Getting ready for a trip next week that'll go Tahoe, Vail CO, then on to
AZ and back home. Time to fill the bottle! The Mountain High system was a bit
pricey, but it effectively saves oxygen on trips !
so you don't have to find a place to get the bottle filled whi!
le you'r
e traveling. Anyway, just my experience.
cj
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Well waiting on your panel was probably a good thing now that you have the
750 as a choice. That will be NICE!
I have an 8A wrapping up Phase 1 and hope to do some formation training at
some point. I think those are two nice planes to have in your stable. And
yes one of these days we will have to get together. I am still partially
based at WHP so we are just one class B violation away from seeing each
other. We are also living in Atlanta & Northern CA right now so scheduling
can be difficult but I will try to reach out in the fall to hook up.
I am on my first leg of what I hope to be SBP > LA > AZ > TX > AR > GA > AR
> OSH > AR > GA > AR > OK > AZ > LA > SBP. Oh... that looks like a lot of
fuel.
Thanks for the tips & enjoy Tahoe, CO, AZ.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com>wrote:
>
> Yup, that's me! I'm still building the 10. Getting there, but it's been
> an extremely busy couple of years at work which leaves minimal time for
> building. And flying. And skydiving, and a relationship! I'm still
> plugging along on the 10, and it'll get done at some point. I still monitor
> the lists, but there are smarter guys than me with all the answers! The 10
> is getting a panel re-design, which is funny since it didn't get all the way
> built yet, but I had the opportunity to pick up a GTN750, then that led to
> other stuff... You know how it goes. Been flying the 8 all over the place
> though, and loving the heck out of it. Maybe one of these days we can try
> to make a plan to meet up? Be good to finally meet you!
>
> cj
> ________________________________________
> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [
> owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> [robin@PaintTheWeb.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: rv8-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: O2 systems for an RV8 Recommendations
>
> Chris,
> Is this the Chris with the -10 in So Cal? I recall you were very far along
> but then I didn't see you active on the list any more. I remember your total
> entertainment center on the -10. Plus your SJ cowl. Are you still building
> the -10? Did it ever first flight?
> If you have extra dual lock you can secure your girlfriend's mouth to save
> on O2? Just an idea... I use Dual Lock on one of my products so I have tons
> available to me.
> I get free O2 at my FBO but they also seem to be limited to 2,000 psi (at
> most). Thanks for the bottle sizing, I will definitely check that out at
> OSH.
>
> Thanks for the tips,
> Robin
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com
> <mailto:CJohnston@popsound.com>> wrote:
> <mailto:CJohnston@popsound.com>>
>
> Hey Robin -
>
> I've been using the Mountain High O2D2 system in my 8 for big trips, and it
> has performed very well. I bought a 623L composite cylinder that's rated to
> 3000 psi, but nobody seems to be able to fill it higher than 2000psi. I put
> the Mountain High unit next to my right elbow in the cockpit with some
> duallock tape (holds up really well, kind of like velcro but tougher and
> more mechanical) so I can pull it out when not in use. I secure the bottle
> in a perfect sized tool box in the rear baggage area, and the box is held
> tight with tiedowns that I have back there. I drilled a hole in the toolbox
> for the oxygen tube, and it runs out of the baggage area through a tooling
> hole in the bulkhead, then secured along it's length under the canopy sill
> til it reaches the unit. Operation only requires that you turn the bottle
> on before you go, and if I'm using the oxygen, I'm definitely traveling, so
> as I'm packing up the baggage area I turn the bottle on, then secure it,
> then finish pa!
> cking. Haven't forgotten to turn it on or off yet! Operation is simple,
> as it measures the cabin altitude and supplies the appropriate amount of
> oxygen, which you can manually increase if desired. I use a little pulse
> oxymeter on my finger to check O2 levels during flight. Works great. On my
> first trip with my girlfriend, I had to boost the level of oxygen manually
> in an attempt to get her O2 levels up, until I figured out that she tends to
> breathe through her mouth... Turned around and looked at her while she was
> snoozing on a leg and there was the answer! Subsequent flights were totally
> fine. With two of us using oxygen for most of the flight, we seem to get
> about 15 hours of O2 from the system. Worked great in april when we flew to
> the Bahamas and back in the 8! Getting ready for a trip next week that'll
> go Tahoe, Vail CO, then on to AZ and back home. Time to fill the bottle!
> The Mountain High system was a bit pricey, but it effectively saves oxygen
> on trips !
> so you don't have to find a place to get the bottle filled whi!
> le you'r
> e traveling. Anyway, just my experience.
>
> cj
>
>
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>Stan Sutterfield
>PS - I've dropped my AOPA membership because they no longer stand for what
>is right. There - that should get some rounds coming my way. : )
Hey Stan- I'd be happy to send a couple rounds your way... What's your preference?
;-)
And, NO NOT ARCHIVE!
Glen Matejcek
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What happened with AOPA?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Glen Matejcek" [aerobubba@earthlink.net]
Subject: RV8-List: Re: cross winds and cabbages
>Stan Sutterfield
>PS - I've dropped my AOPA membership because they no longer stand for what
>is right. There - that should get some rounds coming my way. : )
Hey Stan- I'd be happy to send a couple rounds your way... What's your preference?
;-)
And, NO NOT ARCHIVE!
Glen Matejcek
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