---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/07/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:28 AM - Pre-punch baggage door (MLWynn@aol.com) 2. 11:41 AM - Re: Pre-punch baggage door (Matt Dralle) 3. 04:08 PM - Re: Pre-punch baggage door (Esten Spears) 4. 04:53 PM - Re: Pre-punch baggage door (Matt Dralle) 5. 08:10 PM - Re: Pre-punch baggage door (japhillipsga@aol.com) 6. 10:49 PM - Re: Pre-punch baggage door (MLWynn@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:31 AM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door Hi all, I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes will have to wait. Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly. Any experience out there? Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, larry@bowenaero.com writes: I have some notes here: _http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11_ (http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11) -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com _http://BowenAero.com_ (http://bowenaero.com/) On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice <_rice737@msn.com_ (mailto:rice737@msn.com) > wrote: Hey Matt, I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans website. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hinges. I did this on my 8 and it works great. Paul Rice RV8 200 hours of fun. > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800 > To: _rv-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:rv-list@matronics.com) ; _rv8-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:rv8-list@matronics.com) > From: _dralle@matronics.com_ (mailto:dralle@matronics.com) > Subject: RV8-List: Hydraulic Strut For RV-8 Baggage Door... > (mailto:dralle@matronics.com) > > > > Dear Listers, > > I was surfing around on the _http://www.mykitlog.com_ (http://www.mykitlog.com/) recently and saw where someone had installed an hydraulic strut for holding the front baggage door open on the RV-8 similar to what you see on a hatch-back. I'll be darned if I can remember who that was now. I'd like to do something similar and it would be helpful to know the specs and installation points on the strut. > > Anyone? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > _http://www.mattsrv8.com_ (http://www.mattsrv8.com/) - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog > >============ > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List tp://forums.matronics.com (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:09 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door In my opinion, wait until the very last minute to bleed the brakes. You never know when you might need to take the rudder pedals out for some reason - case in point. I did the final assembly of the baggage door from the under side and was glad I did. There is a lot of twist in the door without the bottom skin on. For a perfect fit, do it mounted and from the underside. $.02 Matt At 11:22 AM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes will have to wait. > >Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly. > >Any experience out there? > >Regards, > >Michael Wynn >RV 8 Finishing >San Ramon, CA Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:09 PM PST US From: "Esten Spears" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door If you want a baggage door that fits perfect (not just good) do it my way. Being an overweight oldfart, I didn't want to do it on my head from the underside. Get all the pieces ready and cleaned up with solvent and scotchbrite. Use 3M structural Epoxy, JB Weld, or any good structural epoxy and assemble with clecos and then strap down flush. After the epoxy sets it will be perfect forever and the rivets will just be to fill the holes. I'd put the fit of my baggage door up against any RV8 out there. Also use a Gas Spring with geometry such that the spring will hold it closed if you forget to lock the latch but once the door is raised an inch or two it slowly raises it to full extension and the holds it up. The only way to fly! Thanks! Esten Spears, Leeward Air Ranch, RV8A, 80922, N922ES, - Flying 9127 SE 72nd Avenue Ocala, FL 34472 352-347-3523 ewspears@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door > > > In my opinion, wait until the very last minute to bleed the brakes. You > never know when you might need to take the rudder pedals out for some > reason - case in point. I did the final assembly of the baggage door from > the under side and was glad I did. There is a lot of twist in the door > without the bottom skin on. For a perfect fit, do it mounted and from the > underside. > > $.02 > > Matt > > > At 11:22 AM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on >>fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. >>To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up >>the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that >>front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the >>brakes will have to wait. >> >>Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from >>underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it >>to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly. >> >>Any experience out there? >> >>Regards, >> >>Michael Wynn >>RV 8 Finishing >>San Ramon, CA > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:49 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door As far as the selection of a strut to hold the door open/closed, I found a sweet unit at McMaster-Carr that fits and works perfectly. Here are the details from my log entry: Page 1: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=93336&row=235 Page 2: http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log=93337&row=234 RV-8 Baggage Door Strut Installation RV-8 Baggage Door Strut Installation Best regards, Matt Dralle At 04:03 PM 9/7/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: > Also use a Gas Spring with geometry such that the spring will hold it closed if you forget to lock the latch but once the door is raised an inch or two it slowly raises it to full extension and the holds it up. The only way to fly! >Thanks! >Esten Spears > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door From: japhillipsga@aol.com Michael, yes you have to drill and rivet the bag door while its mounted if you want it to fit right and tight. Also you have to get inside and under t o pull rivet the door back skin on which holds the door shape. I put the p edals in and out a bunch of times before finish. Fill and bleed the brakes so you know all the tubes and parts work and don't leak then disconnect to the last thing, but you'll have to get inside probably more than once. Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, 17 hours into phase l -----Original Message----- From: MLWynn Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door Hi all, I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up t he pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes will have to wait. Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from u nderneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly. Any experience out there? Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, larry@bow enaero.com writes: I have some notes here: http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11 -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice wrote: Hey Matt, I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans webs ite. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hi nges. I did this on my 8 and it works great. Paul Rice RV8 200 hours of fun. > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800 > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com > From: dralle@matronics.com > Subject: RV8-List: Hydraulic Strut For RV-8 Baggage Door... > > > > Dear Listers, > > I was surfing around on the http://www.mykitlog.com recently and saw wher e someone had installed an hydraulic strut for holding the front baggag e door open on the RV-8 similar to what you see on a hatch-back. I'll b e darned if I can remember who that was now. I'd like to do something s imilar and it would be helpful to know the specs and installation point s on the strut. > > Anyone? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog > >============ > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List tp://forums.matronics.com tp://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com / href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV8-List s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:57 PM PST US From: MLWynn@aol.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door Great advice from all of you. Thanks! I guess I will check the brake system before I rivet on the front and then drain it and refill when its time for final assembly. Sounds like I am going to need to get in there more than once before all is said and done. Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 9/7/2011 8:15:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, japhillipsga@aol.com writes: Michael, yes you have to drill and rivet the bag door while its mounted if you want it to fit right and tight. Also you have to get inside and under to pull rivet the door back skin on which holds the door shape. I put the pedals in and out a bunch of times before finish. Fill and bleed the brakes so you know all the tubes and parts work and don't leak then disconnect to the last thing, but you'll have to get inside probably more than once. Best regards, Bill of Georgia RV-8a, 17 hours into phase l -----Original Message----- From: MLWynn Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: RV8-List: Pre-punch baggage door Hi all, I am about to rivet on my front skin. In reading through various posts on fitting the baggage door, there is discussion of drilling from the inside. To do so, the rudder pedals have to be out. I was thinking to finish up the pedals and bleed the brakes (check for leaks) before riveting that front skin. If I need the pedals out to drill the baggage door, then the brakes will have to wait. Question is, with a pre-punch fuselage kit, do I still need to drill from underneath or can I assemble the baggage door on the bench and expect it to fit? The rest of the pre-punch has fit perfectly. Any experience out there? Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 Finishing San Ramon, CA In a message dated 11/15/2009 7:14:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _larry@bowenaero.com_ (mailto:larry@bowenaero.com) writes: I have some notes here: _http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11_ (http://blog.bowenaero.com/?p=11) -- Larry Bowen _Larry@BowenAero.com_ (mailto:Larry@BowenAero.com) _http://BowenAero.com_ (http://bowenaero.com/) On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Paul Rice <_rice737@msn.com_ (mailto:rice737@msn.com) > wrote: Hey Matt, I believe what you want can be found on a resources link from vans website. Go to resources links, RV8, John Huft, the construction, hidden hinges. I did this on my 8 and it works great. 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