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| Subject: | Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??... |
Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but
look at the bad things.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that
the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in
it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and
senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least
part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports
what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and
reasonable doesnt make it so.
*******************
Background checks reasonable, I think not.
The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back
Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at
first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have
significant unintended consequences.
There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public
has a chance to consider its contents.
Common activities that we take for granted will become federal
crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to
review the requirements of the bill.
Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be
considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE
BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season
is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not
across a state line.
He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick
up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells
then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE
COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU
WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon
leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer
of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer,
paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.
Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession,
requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting
them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them
unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is
considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal
crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE
OF YOUR WEAPON.
In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a
federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game
violations.
EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are
considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same
federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.
EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine
scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons
and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.
Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring
legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those
above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus
the confiscation of your weapons and other property.
A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate
website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff.
Tell them how you feel about this.
Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in
Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the
door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine
activities.
Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned
that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to
enforce these restrictions.
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move |
??...
And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?
From: jbombard
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door
move ??...
Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill
but look at the bad things.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned
that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was
"Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many
congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might
explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media
selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms
common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so.
*******************
Background checks reasonable, I think not.
The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back
Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at
first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have
significant unintended consequences.
There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the
public has a chance to consider its contents.
Common activities that we take for granted will become federal
crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment
to review the requirements of the bill.
Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be
considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU
HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns
it)
3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where
season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and
certainly not across a state line.
He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens,
pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license
and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU
BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE
FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your
weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a
transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms
dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the
transferee.
Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's
possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception
for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or
packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you
is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a
federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE
FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.
In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a
federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and
Game violations.
EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are
considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same
federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.
EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine
scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your
weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon
again.
Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring
legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like
those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison
time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.
A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate
website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff.
Tell them how you feel about this.
Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's
in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and
opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for
otherwise routine activities.
Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also
learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set
aside to enforce these restrictions.
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be
affected.
Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
--
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move |
??...
Totally agree!
On May 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob@gmail.com> wrote:
> And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?
>
> From: jbombard
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back
door move ??...
>
>
> Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill
but look at the bad things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that
the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in
it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and
senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least
part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively
reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common
sense and reasonable doesnt make it so.
>>>>> *******************
>>>>>
>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back
Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at
first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have
significant unintended consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public
has a chance to consider its contents.
>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal
crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment
to review the requirements of the bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #1
>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be
considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU
HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns
it)
>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season
is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly
not across a state line.
>>>>>
>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick
up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and
shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH
WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE
FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #2
>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon
leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a
transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms
dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the
transferee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession,
requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting
them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them
unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is
considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a
federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE
FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a
federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and
Game violations.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #3
>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are
considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same
federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #4
>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine
scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your
weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon
again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring
legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those
above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time
plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.
>>>>>
>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate
website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
>>>>>
>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff.
Tell them how you feel about this.
>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's
in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and
opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for
otherwise routine activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also
learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set
aside to enforce these restrictions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> <a829acc.jpg>
>>
>>
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??...
Hey FLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the conten
t of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others who are intere
sted in what the OP has to say.
John D
-----Original Message-----
From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back doo
r move ??...
And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?
From: jbombard
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door mo
ve ??...
Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but
look at the bad things.
Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentione
d that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there
was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many c
ongressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below mi
ght explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main str
eam media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because the
y use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so.
*******************
Background checks reasonable, I think not.
The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senat
e gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at f
irst but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have
significant unintended consequences.
There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public h
as a chance to consider its contents.
Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crim
es. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment
to review the requirements of the bill.
Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be consid
ered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAV
E BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season
is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly
not across a state line.
He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick u
p the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and
shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU
BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WIL
L BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREAR
M.
EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon
leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a tr
ansfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearm
s dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the tr
ansferee.
Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession,
requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for put
ting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or pac
king them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is c
onsidered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a
federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN
THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.
In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a fede
ral crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and G
ame violations.
EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considere
d weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federa
l laws as a terrorist arms dealer.
EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenario
s) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons
and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon ag
ain.
Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring leg
alese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those
above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison ti
me plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.
A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website
. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Te
ll them how you feel about this.
Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in
Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and o
pens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for oth
erwise routine activities.
Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned
that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside
to enforce these restrictions.
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
--
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??...
Way to go guys. Ruin a terrific site with political BS. Stay on point this i
s a builder site.
Sent from my I phone
On May 12, 2013, at 6:21 PM, James Dearborn <jdearborn@mac.com> wrote:
> Totally agree!
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "FLYBOY.BOB" <flyboy.bob@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?
>>
>> From: jbombard
>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door m
ove ??...
>>
>>
>> Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but l
ook at the bad things.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the
one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, no
t reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did n
ot like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the probl
ems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their
agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make i
t so.
>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate g
un control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is m
ore restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended
consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has
a chance to consider its contents.
>>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes
. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review t
he requirements of the bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #1
>>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be consider
ed a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMM
ITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
>>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
>>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is
not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not acro
ss a state line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up t
he shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then
drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMI
TTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LO
OSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #2
>>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon le
aves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of p
ossession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the
transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, re
quires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them i
n a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, l
ocked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is con
sidered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal cri
me which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YO
UR WEAPON.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federa
l crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violati
ons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #3
>>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered w
eapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a t
errorist arms dealer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #4
>>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios)
may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being p
rohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legal
ese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those ab
ove that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the
confiscation of your weapons and other property.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. S
ee Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
>>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell
them how you feel about this.
>>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in C
olumbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the do
or for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activ
ities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned t
hat exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce t
hese restrictions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> <a829acc.jpg>
>
>
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