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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move |
??...
But he IS right.
This sight should not be for politics etc. there are plenty other types of f
orums for that.
The Moderator should have deleted it
Sent from my iPhone
On May 12, 2013, at 19:16, tailgummer@aol.com wrote:
> Hey FLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the conte
nt of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others who are intere
sted in what the OP has to say.
> John D
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob@gmail.com>
> To: rv8-list <rv8-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back do
or move ??...
>
> And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?
>
> From: jbombard
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door m
ove ??...
>
>
> Subject: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill but lo
ok at the bad things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the o
ne big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not r
eported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senator
s did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of th
e problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports w
hat serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasona
ble doesnt make it so.
>>>>> *******************
>>>>>
>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate g
un control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is m
ore restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended
consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a
chance to consider its contents.
>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes.
These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review t
he requirements of the bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #1
>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considere
d a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMI
TTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is n
ot yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across
a state line.
>>>>>
>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, p
ick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and she
lls then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HA
VE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU
WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #2
>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon lea
ves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of po
ssession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the t
ransfer fee and a background check for the transferee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, req
uires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in
a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, l
ocked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is cons
idered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crim
e which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOU
R WEAPON.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal
crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violatio
ns.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #3
>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered w
eapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a t
errorist arms dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>> EXAMPLE #4
>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) m
ay result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being pro
hibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legale
se but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those abo
ve that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the c
onfiscation of your weapons and other property.
>>>>>
>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. S
ee Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
>>>>>
>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell t
hem how you feel about this.
>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Co
lumbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the doo
r for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activi
ties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned th
at exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to e
nforce these restrictions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affec
ted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> <a829acc.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move |
??...
Far too people ever visit a political site. Their attitude is that it
doesn't affect me. What good will it do to complain. I'm too busy to
worry about how politics affect me. Most saddening is the "Who cares,"
attitude.
I feel strongly that there is a place in every forum for some political
topics. They should include links to sites that are pressing for the
issues given. Let the members read the post and go to the site linked.
Delete the message if it bothers you so much that you can't stand to
worry about what is going on in the country and the world that will in
some way affect you.
On 5/13/2013 6:14 PM, Al Grajek wrote:
> But he IS right.
> This sight should not be for politics etc. there are plenty other
> types of forums for that.
> The Moderator should have deleted it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 12, 2013, at 19:16, tailgummer@aol.com
> <mailto:tailgummer@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> HeyFLYBOY.BOB. Loosen up and switch to Decaf. If you don't like the
>> content of a post, hit delete and move on. Ther just MAY be others
>> who are interested in what the OP has to say.
>> John D
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: FLYBOY.BOB <flyboy.bob@gmail.com <mailto:flyboy.bob@gmail.com>>
>> To: rv8-list <rv8-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv8-list@matronics.com>>
>> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:33 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical
>> back door move ??...
>>
>> *And what the hell does this have to do with RV-8s?*
>> *From:* jbombard <mailto:jbombard@bellsouth.net>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:22 PM
>> *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> *Subject:* RV8-List: Fw: Background Checks**** This ia a typical back
>> door move ??...
>> *Subject:* Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ??...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And you thought background checks were a good thing in this bill
>>>>> but look at the bad things.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> *Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned
>>>>>> that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there
>>>>>> was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many
>>>>>> congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below
>>>>>> might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main
>>>>>> stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda.
>>>>>> Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt
>>>>>> make it so.
>>>>>> *******************
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> Background checks reasonable, I think not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back
>>>>>> Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good
>>>>>> idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and
>>>>>> will have significant unintended consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public
>>>>>> has a chance to consider its contents.
>>>>>> Common activities that we take for granted will become federal
>>>>>> crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a
>>>>>> moment to review the requirements of the bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #1
>>>>>> Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be
>>>>>> considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met,
>>>>>> YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
>>>>>> 2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
>>>>>> 3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where
>>>>>> season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited
>>>>>> and certainly not across a state line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick
>>>>>> up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license
>>>>>> and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario,
>>>>>> YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR
>>>>>> WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR
>>>>>> OWN A FIREARM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #2
>>>>>> It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your
>>>>>> weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation
>>>>>> considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require
>>>>>> going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a
>>>>>> background check for the transferee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's
>>>>>> possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no
>>>>>> exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to
>>>>>> your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into
>>>>>> a moving truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is
>>>>>> considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is
>>>>>> a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT
>>>>>> IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a
>>>>>> federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish
>>>>>> and Game violations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #3
>>>>>> Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are
>>>>>> considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the
>>>>>> same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EXAMPLE #4
>>>>>> Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine
>>>>>> scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL
>>>>>> your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever
>>>>>> owning a weapon again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring
>>>>>> legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like
>>>>>> those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in
>>>>>> prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate
>>>>>> website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
>>>>>> Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff.
>>>>>> Tell them how you feel about this.
>>>>>> Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's
>>>>>> in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal
>>>>>> and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property
>>>>>> for otherwise routine activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also
>>>>>> learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is
>>>>>> set aside to enforce these restrictions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> <a829acc.jpg>
>>>
>>>
> *
>
>
> *
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