---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/12/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:37 PM - RV-8 flap fairing (pplous@aol.com) 2. 04:23 PM - Re: RV-8 flap fairing (Matt Dralle) 3. 04:26 PM - Re: RV-8 flap fairing (Some Pictures) (Matt Dralle) 4. 04:54 PM - Re: RV-8 flap fairing (Carl Froehlich) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:08 PM PST US Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 flap fairing From: pplous@aol.com Listers, I'm experiencing some trouble getting the flap fairing to fit. When the ai lerons are in the neutral position and training edges of the flaps match th at position, the flap fairing sits too low on the flap root edge to leave e nough fairing metal to be riveted satisfactorily using the designated rivet holes. Moving the flap fairing up to get enough material to set rivets giv es me about half an inch gap at the trailing edge of the flap fairing betwe en that and the flap. If I move the trailing edge of the flap up 5 degrees or so, the fairing fits just fine. Some questions: 1. I am making the gross assumption that the trailing edges of the ailerons and flaps line up when properly positioned. Is this a good assumption? Som ehow I just can't see a 5 degree split being what Van had in mind. 2. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and how did you solve it? Thanks for the help! v/r, P2 Preston Plous Slowest quick-build ever -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:18 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/11/14 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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My RV-8 QB flap fairings fit very nicely. Matt At 01:35 PM 4/12/2014 Saturday, you wrote: >Listers, > >I'm experiencing some trouble getting the flap fairing to fit. When the ailerons are in the neutral position and training edges of the flaps match that position, the flap fairing sits too low on the flap root edge to leave enough fairing metal to be riveted satisfactorily using the designated rivet holes. Moving the flap fairing up to get enough material to set rivets gives me about half an inch gap at the trailing edge of the flap fairing between that and the flap. If I move the trailing edge of the flap up 5 degrees or so, the fairing fits just fine. > >Some questions: >1. I am making the gross assumption that the trailing edges of the ailerons and flaps line up when properly positioned. Is this a good assumption? Somehow I just can't see a 5 degree split being what Van had in mind. >2. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and how did you solve it? > >Thanks for the help! > >v/r, >P2 >Preston Plous >Slowest quick-build ever > >-----Original Message----- >From: RV8-List Digest Server >To: RV8-List Digest List >Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:18 am >Subject: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/11/14 > > >* > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > >Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8 > >Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV8-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 04/11/14: 0 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > > > > > > >et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List >tp://forums.matronics.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:53 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV-8 flap fairing (Some Pictures) At 01:35 PM 4/12/2014 Saturday, you wrote: >Listers, > >I'm experiencing some trouble getting the flap fairing to fit. When the ailerons are in the neutral position and training edges of the flaps match that position, the flap fairing sits too low on the flap root edge to leave enough fairing metal to be riveted satisfactorily using the designated rivet holes. Moving the flap fairing up to get enough material to set rivets gives me about half an inch gap at the trailing edge of the flap fairing between that and the flap. If I move the trailing edge of the flap up 5 degrees or so, the fairing fits just fine. > >Some questions: >1. I am making the gross assumption that the trailing edges of the ailerons and flaps line up when properly positioned. Is this a good assumption? Somehow I just can't see a 5 degree split being what Van had in mind. >2. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and how did you solve it? > >Thanks for the help! > >v/r, >P2 >Preston Plous >Slowest quick-build ever Attached are a few pictures of my installation... Matt - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:11 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 flap fairing Preston, If the situation is as you say and this issue is identical on both sides, then both your flaps have a twist. I suspect this is not the issue but you should check. 1. The flaps must fit up tight to the fuselage. Do this first. Based on what you have said I suspect this resolves your flap fairing issue. 2. Once the flaps are tight up against the fuselage, use a straight edge on the wing extending over the flap. Examine the gap between the straight edge and the flap at both the inboard and outboard edges of the flap. They should be about the same. If not the flap is twisted. 3. Assuming the flap is not twisted, then you have to find out why what you think is aileron neutral is not what the flaps think as neutral. Here the wing templates come in real handy to find the real aileron neural point. If you don't have these, then use of a straight edge on the top and bottom of the wing. With a lot of measuring and comparing will get you what you need. Do not rely on the Van's aileron bell crank "neutral" template for this. 4. After you figure this out, first the flaps then the ailerons, then and only then are you ready to fit the wingtip. If you already fit the wingtip then you have some rework to do. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:21 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 flap fairing Are you SURE your ailerons are in the right position when neutral? Don't use the wing tips as a guide. The wing tips are generally NOT right and have to be cut and adjusted. Recheck your aileron alignment. My RV-8 QB flap fairings fit very nicely. Matt At 01:35 PM 4/12/2014 Saturday, you wrote: >Listers, > >I'm experiencing some trouble getting the flap fairing to fit. When the ailerons are in the neutral position and training edges of the flaps match that position, the flap fairing sits too low on the flap root edge to leave enough fairing metal to be riveted satisfactorily using the designated rivet holes. Moving the flap fairing up to get enough material to set rivets gives me about half an inch gap at the trailing edge of the flap fairing between that and the flap. If I move the trailing edge of the flap up 5 degrees or so, the fairing fits just fine. > >Some questions: >1. I am making the gross assumption that the trailing edges of the ailerons and flaps line up when properly positioned. Is this a good assumption? Somehow I just can't see a 5 degree split being what Van had in mind. >2. Has anyone else experienced this problem, and how did you solve it? > >Thanks for the help! > >v/r, >P2 >Preston Plous >Slowest quick-build ever > >-----Original Message----- >From: RV8-List Digest Server >To: RV8-List Digest List >Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:18 am >Subject: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/11/14 > > >* > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > >Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two >Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > > Chapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8>http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv > iew.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8 > >Text Version: > > > hapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8>http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestvi > ew.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-04-11&Archive=RV8 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV8-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 04/11/14: 0 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > > > > > > >et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List >tp://forums.matronics.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream! Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too! 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