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1. 07:18 AM - Re:Aeroflash Strobe Unit (Matthew Brandes)
2. 08:10 AM - Dimple Dies ()
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Dimple Dies (DThomas773@aol.com)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: Dimple Dies (Larry PERRYMAN)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Re:Aeroflash Strobe Unit (guy)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit (Leland)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit <200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com> (Steve Sampson)
8. 10:40 AM - Re: flap actuator (Gozewijn Vlasblom)
9. 11:24 AM - Have to sell my RV-9A Empennage (J R Saunders)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit (Steve Sampson)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit (tchoug)
12. 02:05 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit <200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com> (Larry PERRYMAN)
13. 02:28 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit (Larry PERRYMAN)
14. 04:27 PM - Electric flaps (Gozewijn Vlasblom)
15. 08:56 PM - Re: Electric flaps (Ralph Cloud)
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| Subject: | RE:Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Matthew Brandes <mbrandes@irr.com>
I emailed AeroFlash and asked them pricing and about meeting FAA night
requirements for their Nav/Strobe and Pos/Strobe assemblies.
1) What is the cost of the 156-0039 Nav/Strobe assembly?
$399.00 ea USD
2) What is the cost of the 156-0029 Tail Position/Strobe assembly?
$288.75 ea USD
3) Do your units meet FAA requirements for night flight? (enough lumens?)
"our units put out 10 joules and this is sufficient for experimental
aircraft."
There ya have it. According to the Whelen site "These anti-collision systems
must produce a minimum of 400 effective candela in aviation". Can anyone
convert joules to candela??
Matthew
RV-9A Emp.
N523RV Rsvd.
> Time: 11:25:38 AM PST US
> From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
> Subject: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> --> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Has anyone looked at using the considerably cheaper aeroflash
> strobe/tail light part #153-0011 in place of the similar
> Whelen unit? I am trying to check the dimensions are such
> that they will fit the fibreglass rudder bottom. I assume the
> dimensions are the same as the Whelen unit but am having
> trouble confirming this. Thanks, Steve. #90360 UK
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--> RV9-List message posted by: <315@cox.net>
Just ordered my RV9A Empennage and am tooling up. Ahybody have a
recommendation for the type of dies they are using on the emp.? That is,
regular vs spring back vs tank dies?
Looking forward to becoming active in this great group.
Thanks,
Ned
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--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Hi Ned,
Congratulations on your decision!
Tank dies are just for construction of the fuel tanks where you have a layer
of proseal between the skins. There you need a deeper dimple otherwise the
rivets heads will stick up a bit. And you will need them in that case alone.
If used on othere parts of the airplane you will get a too deep dimple that
the rivet head will not quite fill. Guess how I know that.
The spring back dies are what you need for all other applications. The
regular dies, I'm told, are the old fashioned kind that will not readily pop
out after the dimple is made.
I'm sure by days end you will have multiple posts telling you all you need to
know.
I bought a tool kit from Cleveland Tool
(http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/Home.asp )
and was quite satisfied with them. They were also a good source tech
support, also being RV builders themselves.
Good LUck and Happy Building.
Dennis Thomas
RV-9 , # 90164
fuselage
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03/07/2003 05:27:30 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/07/2003 05:27:30 PM
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Ned,
I really like the dies from Cleveland. Good quality and they stand behind
the product. You want the spring back dies. You will want to get the tank
and screw dies when you get to the wing. They have a different set just
for the specific application.
Also take a look at the squeezer "The Main Squeeze" that they sell. It is
a few bucks more but after using the Tatco type on my plane, I would have
loved the new one.
Regards,
Larry Perryman
N194DL Flying
<315@cox.net>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: <315@cox.net>
Just ordered my RV9A Empennage and am tooling up. Ahybody have a
recommendation for the type of dies they are using on the emp.? That is,
regular vs spring back vs tank dies?
Looking forward to becoming active in this great group.
Thanks,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: RE:Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "guy" <gvotuc@direcway.com>
Yea...anything is "sufficient" for experimental aircraft. I don't think the
regs seperate US for that purpose.. You either see the light or you don't=2E I
would re-phrase the question to specific night requirement in the regs.=0D
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From: rv9-list@matronics.com=0D
Subject: RV9-List: RE:Aeroflash Strobe Unit=0D
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--> RV9-List message posted by: Matthew Brandes <mbrandes@irr.com>=0D
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I emailed AeroFlash and asked them pricing and about meeting FAA night=0D
requirements for their Nav/Strobe and Pos/Strobe assemblies.=0D
=0D
1) What is the cost of the 156-0039 Nav/Strobe assembly?=0D
$399.00 ea USD=0D
=0D
2) What is the cost of the 156-0029 Tail Position/Strobe assembly?=0D
$288.75 ea USD=0D
=0D
3) Do your units meet FAA requirements for night flight? (enough lumens?)=0D
"our units put out 10 joules and this is sufficient for experimental=0D
aircraft."=0D
=0D
There ya have it. According to the Whelen site "These anti-collision systems=0D
must produce a minimum of 400 effective candela in aviation". Can anyone=0D
convert joules to candela??=0D
=0D
=0D
Matthew=0D
RV-9A Emp.=0D
N523RV Rsvd.=0D
=0D
=0D
> Time: 11:25:38 AM PST US=0D
> From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>=0D
> Subject: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit=0D
> =0D
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" =0D
> --> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>=0D
> =0D
> Has anyone looked at using the considerably cheaper aeroflash =0D
> strobe/tail light part #153-0011 in place of the similar =0D
> Whelen unit? I am trying to check the dimensions are such =0D
> that they will fit the fibreglass rudder bottom. I assume the =0D
> dimensions are the same as the Whelen unit but am having =0D
> trouble confirming this. Thanks, Steve. #90360 UK=0D
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, generally the Aeroflash system puts out less energy per flash, so
a Whelan power supply may overdrive the Aeroflash flashlamps. I bought
an X-PAK 904 strobe power supply, which has specifications comparable to
Whelan's, is cheaper and has a longer warranty. I have operated it with
the Whelan lamps, but only in the garage.
Leland in Pleasanton
Installing the empenage fairing, which fits like an OJ glove.
PS: Buy Van's gascolator bracket (listed in the fireward-forward kit)
before drilling holes for mounting the gascolator to the firewall. This
bracket is not shown on the fuse drawings
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Larry - thanks for that , really helpful. You would not happen to know the
'short' diameter? If tip to tip is the 2 3/16" diameter the 'short' one is
at right angles to it. I just want to be sure it is not larger than the face
on VANS moulding.
Thanks, Steve.
PS Have you used the aeroflash unit?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry PERRYMAN
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN"
<larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Steve,
The distance tip to tip across the outside of the housing is 2 3/16 inch.
The hole necessary for the body to go back into the rudder fairing is 1
5/16 inch. I suspect that you will find that this fits.
One of the best directions I have seen for installing is to take the unit
and coat it with a mold release compound or a good car wax. Remove enough
of the opening in the rudder fairing to allow the unit to go back into the
rudder fairing to the position you want. Coat the mounting screws well.
Tape the unit in place and fill the end of the fairing with a mix of epoxy
and flox or microballoons so that it holds the unit in place. The mounting
screws should be buried in the fill also. When it cures, remove and clean
the light unit. You will now have a nice tight socket for the light and
the mounting screws will thread into the epoxy to hold it.
I sure wish I had seen this method before I installed mine. I was trying
to mount nuts inside to hold the unit in.
You will sure find out if you have it well covered with wax when you try
to remove the light. If you did a poor job, the socket may be permanently
mounted for you. Another release agent that you can nick from your wife's
kitchen is some clear food wrap. It works to put it around the outside of
an item and then put epoxy over it. It will generally pull loose from
epoxy.
Probably the best is to find someone that is building a fiberglass plane.
They should have the clear plastic that is used to vacuum bag components.
Epoxy will not stick to it either. Talk them out of a piece big enough to
wrap the light up in.
Hope this helps
Regards,
Larry Perryman
"Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
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<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Patrick - thanks, yes I saw that, but since the base unit is not circular
I
am not sure what that flange dia means. Why they don't put a simple
drawing
beats me! Steve.
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From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick E.
Moseley
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Patrick E. Moseley" <moseley@moseley.com>
If you go to:
http://www.aeroflash.com/plane.html#tailposition
There is a link to the "Specifications, Wiring & Spare Parts Guide" that
has
the dimensions for the lamp assembly:
http://www.aeroflash.com/156-0029.pdf
Here are the dimensions cut and pasted from the above document:
Dimensions for the Lamp Assembly:
Housing .................1-5/16 Dia.
Flange ...................2-3/16 Dia.
Height....................2-1/4 (from bottom of housing to top of dome)
Patrick Moseley
Tucson, AZ
In message <200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>, on 6-Mar-2003,
"Steve Sampson" writes:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Has anyone looked at using the considerably cheaper aeroflash
strobe/tail
> light part #153-0011 in place of the similar Whelen unit? I am trying to
> check the dimensions are such that they will fit the fibreglass rudder
> bottom. I assume the dimensions are the same as the Whelen unit but am
> having trouble confirming this. Thanks, Steve.
> #90360
> UK
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gozewijn Vlasblom" <vlasblom@ripnet.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gozewijn
Vlasblom
Subject: RV9-List: flap actuator
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gozewijn Vlasblom" <vlasblom@ripnet.com>
Hi Folks,
I have just finished installing the electric flap actuator assembly.
I started off with the hardware provided by Van's and installed it according
instructions.
When I tried it out the motor kept on running although the actuator arm had
reached the end of its travel.
I did not like that. What followed was two weeks of puzzling, designing,
redesigning. countless errors and mistakes and finely a product I was happy
with. Building airplanes certainly is a learning experience.
The micro switches come from Fletchair Inc.in Houston Tx tel 713 641 2023.
They are used in a Grumman Tiger, for the electric flaps. No.: V3L-30D9 or
4604-1100 US$ 9.19/pc
I include a few pictures and a wiring diagram. Remember that drawing wiring
diagrams was not part of my education.
One more improvement could be considered: When you want to raise the flaps
for touch and goes, you may not want to spent the required 6 sec to do the
job. The Grumman tiger switch works as follows: when you put it in the up
position, you do not have to hold the switch. It will proceed until the
flaps are up completely. Switch No.: 6GM5B-50X123 a little pricier at US$
67.12
There is very little room between the control arm of the flap actuator
assembly and the elevator controll rod, but it is just enough.
The wiring diagram does not give indication re polarity and which switch
controls up movement and which one down movement. That will have to be done
emperically.
Have fun,
Goz Vlasblom 90171
vlasblom@ripnet.com
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| Subject: | Have to sell my RV-9A Empennage |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Hello List,
With the current economy the way it is, I can no longer afford to build. So I have
to sell my RV-9A Empennage kit, with electric elevator trim. (w/preview plans)
No work has been on the kit, other than inventory. Sitll in boxes. Kit was purchased
on 08/21/02 and is #90591.
I live in Kent, WA (west hill) I would like try and sell the kit locally first,
so the buyer can look it over in person. Some money can be saved with a local
pick-up or I could make delivery within 50 miles at no charge.
send e-mail off list to: jr182pilot@attbi.com
Please note; I will be in and out the next 4 days. Will try an answer as fast as
I can. (FIFO)
Thanks for your time,
J R Saunders
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Yes I also have a Nova strobe power unit. I am just trying to avoid using
the Whelen unit on the tail . I hate monopolies!
Regards, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, generally the Aeroflash system puts out less energy per flash, so
a Whelan power supply may overdrive the Aeroflash flashlamps. I bought
an X-PAK 904 strobe power supply, which has specifications comparable to
Whelan's, is cheaper and has a longer warranty. I have operated it with
the Whelan lamps, but only in the garage.
Leland in Pleasanton
Installing the empenage fairing, which fits like an OJ glove.
PS: Buy Van's gascolator bracket (listed in the fireward-forward kit)
before drilling holes for mounting the gascolator to the firewall. This
bracket is not shown on the fuse drawings
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
--> RV9-List message posted by: tchoug <tchoug@micron.com>
Steve,
If you're thinking about using the aeroflash tube with the NOVA X-PAK, you might
want to look into the power rating of the aeroflash tube. The aeroflash spec
from the link listed earlier indicates that the supply is rated at 10 joules
output, it doesn't state what the tube can handle.
The X-PAK 904 used to power two wing tip strobes and one tail strobe is rated at
about 40 joules for each pair of outputs. With the wingtip strobes working as
a pair they divide this for 20 joules each. With the tail strobe being solitary,
it gets the full 40 joules! I have the X-PAK 904 and the Whelen strobe tubes.
I've hooked them up in the shop and let me tell you, they are bright! However,
the tail strobe definitely gets very hot with no airflow.
If the aeroflash tail strobe can't handle much more than the 10 joule rating of
the supply, you're likely to fry it driving it from an X-PAK. The Whelen supply
is rated very similar to the X-PAK so the Whelen tubes should be able to handle
the X-PAK supply output.
Todd
RV9A - Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sampson [mailto:SSampson.SLN21@london.edu]
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Yes I also have a Nova strobe power unit. I am just trying to avoid using
the Whelen unit on the tail . I hate monopolies!
Regards, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, generally the Aeroflash system puts out less energy per flash, so
a Whelan power supply may overdrive the Aeroflash flashlamps. I bought
an X-PAK 904 strobe power supply, which has specifications comparable to
Whelan's, is cheaper and has a longer warranty. I have operated it with
the Whelan lamps, but only in the garage.
Leland in Pleasanton
Installing the empenage fairing, which fits like an OJ glove.
PS: Buy Van's gascolator bracket (listed in the fireward-forward kit)
before drilling holes for mounting the gascolator to the firewall. This
bracket is not shown on the fuse drawings
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03/07/2003 11:04:16 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/07/2003 11:04:16 PM
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Steve,
No I do not but if it is bigger, just take some epoxy and flocs and build
it up to the outside diameter. Remember that this fairing was just one
man' s design and minor changes will not matter. If you need it bigger,
just build it up and sand it back to the shape you like. Paint it and no
one will know the difference.
As I recall, there is a disclaimer on the fiberglass products that says
that minor refabrication and layups may be necessary.
Regards,
Larry Perryman
"Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
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<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Larry - thanks for that , really helpful. You would not happen to know the
'short' diameter? If tip to tip is the 2 3/16" diameter the 'short' one is
at right angles to it. I just want to be sure it is not larger than the
face
on VANS moulding.
Thanks, Steve.
PS Have you used the aeroflash unit?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry PERRYMAN
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN"
<larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Steve,
The distance tip to tip across the outside of the housing is 2 3/16 inch.
The hole necessary for the body to go back into the rudder fairing is 1
5/16 inch. I suspect that you will find that this fits.
One of the best directions I have seen for installing is to take the unit
and coat it with a mold release compound or a good car wax. Remove enough
of the opening in the rudder fairing to allow the unit to go back into the
rudder fairing to the position you want. Coat the mounting screws well.
Tape the unit in place and fill the end of the fairing with a mix of epoxy
and flox or microballoons so that it holds the unit in place. The mounting
screws should be buried in the fill also. When it cures, remove and clean
the light unit. You will now have a nice tight socket for the light and
the mounting screws will thread into the epoxy to hold it.
I sure wish I had seen this method before I installed mine. I was trying
to mount nuts inside to hold the unit in.
You will sure find out if you have it well covered with wax when you try
to remove the light. If you did a poor job, the socket may be permanently
mounted for you. Another release agent that you can nick from your wife's
kitchen is some clear food wrap. It works to put it around the outside of
an item and then put epoxy over it. It will generally pull loose from
epoxy.
Probably the best is to find someone that is building a fiberglass plane.
They should have the clear plastic that is used to vacuum bag components.
Epoxy will not stick to it either. Talk them out of a piece big enough to
wrap the light up in.
Hope this helps
Regards,
Larry Perryman
"Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Patrick - thanks, yes I saw that, but since the base unit is not circular
I
am not sure what that flange dia means. Why they don't put a simple
drawing
beats me! Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick E.
Moseley
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
<200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Patrick E. Moseley" <moseley@moseley.com>
If you go to:
http://www.aeroflash.com/plane.html#tailposition
There is a link to the "Specifications, Wiring & Spare Parts Guide" that
has
the dimensions for the lamp assembly:
http://www.aeroflash.com/156-0029.pdf
Here are the dimensions cut and pasted from the above document:
Dimensions for the Lamp Assembly:
Housing .................1-5/16 Dia.
Flange ...................2-3/16 Dia.
Height....................2-1/4 (from bottom of housing to top of dome)
Patrick Moseley
Tucson, AZ
In message <200303061925.h26JPJu32636@matronics.com>, on 6-Mar-2003,
"Steve Sampson" writes:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Has anyone looked at using the considerably cheaper aeroflash
strobe/tail
> light part #153-0011 in place of the similar Whelen unit? I am trying to
> check the dimensions are such that they will fit the fibreglass rudder
> bottom. I assume the dimensions are the same as the Whelen unit but am
> having trouble confirming this. Thanks, Steve.
> #90360
> UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Aeroflash Strobe Unit |
03/07/2003 11:28:25 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/07/2003 11:28:25 PM
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
Steve,
Where around London do you live? I spent almost two months in Camberley a
few years back and got to see a bit of the country. Quite a change for a
country boy from Texas. Never could get use to the roundabouts.
Regards,
Larry Perryman
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gozewijn Vlasblom" <vlasblom@ripnet.com>
Hi folks,
Last night I posted a message re limit switches for the electric flap
actuator system.
It has been brought to my attention that matronics does not facillitate
inserts with messages.
I do not have my own website yet. Anybody that is interested can E-mail me
and I wil E-mail the pictures and wiring diagram.
Greetings,
Goz Vlasblom 90171
vlasblom@ripnet.com
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
> It has been brought to my attention that matronics does not facillitate
> inserts with messages.
>
Matronics has a photo share site, send it to them and they will post for
everyone interested to go to.
-= Photo Share: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Ralph
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