RV9-List Digest Archive

Sun 03/09/03


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:12 AM - Tail section (Joe Wiza)
     2. 08:32 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Jim Hosie)
     3. 08:40 AM - Re: 705 bulkhead alignment. (Gary)
     4. 08:40 AM - Re: Tail section (Gary)
     5. 09:02 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Ernest Kells)
     6. 09:58 AM - Re: Diesel Power (Dr. Leathers)
     7. 12:58 PM - Re: Aeroflash Strobe Unit (Ralph Cloud)
     8. 02:08 PM - Re: Diesel Power (Todd Houg)
     9. 02:41 PM - Re: 705 bulkhead alignment. (dean van winkle)
    10. 05:08 PM - RV-9A Elevators and Rudder (Ted Strand)
    11. 07:11 PM - Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder (Robert scott)
    12. 07:28 PM - Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder (Todd Houg)
    13. 07:42 PM - Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder (Todd Houg)
    14. 11:44 PM - Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder (Ken Moak)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:12:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Tail section
    From: Joe Wiza <planejoel@juno.com>
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Joe Wiza <planejoel@juno.com> Just finished the tail section, would have bet the RV6A was easier but then maybe I'm just remembering the easy stuff RV9A awaiting wings. Joe.


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    Time: 08:32:37 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Hosie" <jhosie4@attbi.com>
    Subject: Re: Diesel Power
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Hosie" <jhosie4@attbi.com> Todd, What caused the 9 to be lost? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "tchoug" <tchoug@micron.com> Subject: RE: RV9-List: Diesel Power > --> RV9-List message posted by: tchoug <tchoug@micron.com> > > The first factory prototype did have the O-235, I think it was the 118 HP > version. I flew in this airplane and the performance was excellent compared > to the Cessnas I had been flying. Take off roll was as short as advertised > and climb was more than adequate. A deisel should provide excellent low RPM > torque which should give good static thrust. > > Actually the protoype was lost on it's way to Sun-n-Fun after a day at the > Twin Cities RV forum. I was probably the last customer to fly in that > airplane. It departed the next day and made it as far as Arkansas before > getting into IMC. It had no gyros at all. R.I.P. > > Todd Houg > RV9A - Fuselage > > -----Original Message----- > From: DThomas773@aol.com [mailto:DThomas773@aol.com] > To: rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Diesel Power > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com > > I think the original factory proto type RV9-A that was lost on it's way home > > from Sun-in-Fun was powered by a Lycoming 0235, which I think is 125 HP. It > > was stated to perform pretty much as expected and as called for in the > design > performance specs. > Dennis Thomas > > Do Not Archive > >


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    Time: 08:40:58 AM PST US
    From: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
    Subject: Re: 705 bulkhead alignment.
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net> I am not sure about this one, Rob. Mine has never been upside down. I built it right-side-up and so missed out on the big "roll the fuselage over" party. However, yours doesn't sound right to me. All I know is mine appears to have smooth lines finished and sitting on the gear, and all the holes lined up. If you had it right side up I suppose you could cleco the top skins on as a check. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob W M Shipley To: RV9-List Digest Server Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: RV9-List: 705 bulkhead alignment. --> RV9-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com> Do others with their fuselages upside down and mostly assembled have a slight dip (approx 3/16") at the 705 bulkhead if a straight edge is placed across it down the longitudinal axis of the fuselage? I hope this is clear ......... Mine appears to have everything fitting correctly but this slight concavity in the bottom of the fuse at the 705 is quite obvious and I'm wondering why it's there. [The 705 is the rear spar attach / seat belt floor attach / roll bar bulkhead.] Input welcomed. Rob Rob W M Shipley RV9A N919RV Fuselage. --- Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03


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    Time: 08:40:59 AM PST US
    From: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
    Subject: Re: Tail section
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net> Looks to me like the -9 tail is more work to build than the other models.......then there are the flaps and ailerons yet to come! But, hey, you'll have a better airplane when you are done. Gary do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Wiza To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: RV9-List: Tail section --> RV9-List message posted by: Joe Wiza <planejoel@juno.com> Just finished the tail section, would have bet the RV6A was easier but then maybe I'm just remembering the easy stuff RV9A awaiting wings. Joe. --- Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03


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    Time: 09:02:55 AM PST US
    From: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Diesel Power
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca> > What caused the 9 to be lost? I believe that the two very experienced pilots (with extensive RV experience) just "pushed on" during a long and tiring flight, even though weather was deteriating. They flew into IMC conditions over primitive land - hilly, tree-covered, low population, etc., etc. They possibly would have been okay - but they needed to land due to very low gas. I felt bad about it. I believe that I was the first RV-9A builder planning an O-235 N2C engine (kit #90030). As such I had a lot of questions. Bill Benedict was very knowledgeable and very helpful. Had better information about the RV-9A/O-235 at that time than the current Support group does now. Ernest Kells - RV-9A O235-N2C, Wood Prop Finish Kit 95% Complete


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    Time: 09:58:57 AM PST US
    From: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
    Subject: Re: Diesel Power
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com> CFIT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hosie" <jhosie4@attbi.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Diesel Power > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Hosie" <jhosie4@attbi.com> > > Todd, > What caused the 9 to be lost? > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tchoug" <tchoug@micron.com> > To: <rv9-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV9-List: Diesel Power > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: tchoug <tchoug@micron.com> > > > > The first factory prototype did have the O-235, I think it was the 118 HP > > version. I flew in this airplane and the performance was excellent > compared > > to the Cessnas I had been flying. Take off roll was as short as advertised > > and climb was more than adequate. A deisel should provide excellent low > RPM > > torque which should give good static thrust. > > > > Actually the protoype was lost on it's way to Sun-n-Fun after a day at the > > Twin Cities RV forum. I was probably the last customer to fly in that > > airplane. It departed the next day and made it as far as Arkansas before > > getting into IMC. It had no gyros at all. R.I.P. > > > > Todd Houg > > RV9A - Fuselage > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DThomas773@aol.com [mailto:DThomas773@aol.com] > > To: rv9-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Diesel Power > > > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com > > > > I think the original factory proto type RV9-A that was lost on it's way > home > > > > from Sun-in-Fun was powered by a Lycoming 0235, which I think is 125 HP. > It > > > > was stated to perform pretty much as expected and as called for in the > > design > > performance specs. > > Dennis Thomas > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:58:33 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
    Subject: Aeroflash Strobe Unit
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net> While you're on the topic of tail lights & strobes. The tail position light is required to be visible on a 110 degree arc, when combined witht he strobe it is usually in the middle with a metal collar with a "V" notch to control the arc of visibility. make sure the arc is in a horizontal plane. I have seen some installed with it in the verticle plane... even on certified aircraft. (Take a walk around the ramp parking sometime and check out some tail) Ralph Livermore, CA wings kinda do not archive


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    Time: 02:08:08 PM PST US
    From: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net>
    Subject: Diesel Power
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net> Jim, Ernest pretty well summed it up, except I don't believe fuel was an issue. Bill and his son Jeremy were both experienced RV pilots. Bill told me the day before that he let Jeremy fly most of the long cross country legs. They pushed it too far and got into IMC conditions over the hills of Arkansas. Witnesses on the ground reported hearing the airplane circling prior to the crash leading one to infer that they were possibly in a death spiral with no gyros. It was a very firey crash indicating there was plenty of fuel on board. For this reason, I believe all VFR only aircraft should have minimal gyros (Vacuum, electric, solid state or whatever). Todd Houg RV9A - Fuselage -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Kells [SMTP:ernest.kells@sympatico.ca] Subject: Re: RV9-List: Diesel Power --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells@sympatico.ca> > What caused the 9 to be lost? I believe that the two very experienced pilots (with extensive RV experience) just "pushed on" during a long and tiring flight, even though weather was deteriating. They flew into IMC conditions over primitive land - hilly, tree-covered, low population, etc., etc. They possibly would have been okay - but they needed to land due to very low gas. I felt bad about it. I believe that I was the first RV-9A builder planning an O-235 N2C engine (kit #90030). As such I had a lot of questions. Bill Benedict was very knowledgeable and very helpful. Had better information about the RV-9A/O-235 at that time than the current Support group does now. 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    Time: 02:41:46 PM PST US
    From: "dean van winkle" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
    Subject: Re: 705 bulkhead alignment.
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "dean van winkle" <dvanwinkle@royell.net> Rob Your message implies that you have the tip-up canopy and I have the slider which should make absolutely no difference. Mine is upside down and has the same dip as yours. Please note that the center line flat bottom surface of the baggage compartment transitions to match the wing bottom airfoil contour just forward of the 705 bulkhead. The baggage ribs are 700 series and appear to be common to the -7 and -9 aircraft while the seat ribs are 900 series specific to the -9 only. I suspect that this dip appears only on the -9 because of the different airfoil used and should be of no concern either structurally or aerodynamically. Hope this helps. Dean Van Winkle Retired Aero Engineer 90095 Fuselage Finish kit in transit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com> Subject: RV9-List: 705 bulkhead alignment. > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com> > > Do others with their fuselages upside down and mostly assembled have a slight dip (approx 3/16") at the 705 bulkhead if a straight edge is placed across it down the longitudinal axis of the fuselage? > I hope this is clear ......... Mine appears to have everything fitting correctly but this slight concavity in the bottom of the fuse at the 705 is quite obvious and I'm wondering why it's there. > [The 705 is the rear spar attach / seat belt floor attach / roll bar bulkhead.] > Input welcomed. > Rob > Rob W M Shipley > RV9A N919RV Fuselage. > >


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    Time: 05:08:59 PM PST US
    Subject: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder
    From: "Ted Strand" <tstrand@strandcentral.com>
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ted Strand" <tstrand@strandcentral.com> I have a question that hopefully someone can answer. I am currently finishing up on the empennage kit and I have two things remaining. 1) I need to finish the trailing edges of the Rudder and elevators. I see in the drawings to use pro-seal on the edges of the skin. Do they just want this in the corners, or do they want us to put it the whole length? Is the Rudder the same? 2) I just received my fiberglass tips for the empennage (they were backordered). Is there a trick to making them fit properly? Looks like they want to hang up on rivets that have already been installed in some places. Thanks in advance!!! -Ted Strand- N371N Finishing Empennage (Wing Kit in Storage) Clearwater, FL


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    Time: 07:11:19 PM PST US
    From: "Robert scott" <rscott@johnsonmfginc.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Robert scott" <rscott@johnsonmfginc.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Strand" <tstrand@strandcentral.com> Subject: RV9-List: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ted Strand" <tstrand@strandcentral.com> > > I have a question that hopefully someone can answer. I am currently > finishing up on the empennage kit and I have two things remaining. > > 1) I need to finish the trailing edges of the Rudder and elevators. I > see in the drawings to use pro-seal on the edges of the skin. Do they > just want this in the corners, or do they want us to put it the whole > length? Is the Rudder the same? The idea is to proseal the entire length, cleco to a piece of angle angle iron and let it setup. Then remove clecos and instal the rivets. The proseal will hold everything in place as you rivet. Yes, the rudder is the same. > 2) I just received my fiberglass tips for the empennage (they were > backordered). Is there a trick to making them fit properly? Looks like > they want to hang up on rivets that have already been installed in some > places. If you look closely you will notice a line that runs around the permiter edge. If you trim to this line you will be very close to having a good fit. Robert scott > Thanks in advance!!! > > -Ted Strand- > N371N > Finishing Empennage > (Wing Kit in Storage) > Clearwater, FL > >


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    Time: 07:28:36 PM PST US
    From: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net>
    Subject: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net> Ted, When I built my empennage the plans/directions specified using pro-seal at the corners only. I'm not sure if the directions have changed since. I know some people do put pro-seal along the entire edge. It's useful on the coreners to prevent getting a corner folded up when you inadvertantly snag it on a towel or shirt sleeve. While pro-sealing the entire edge certainly doesn't hurt, I'm nut sure that there is any real benefit. You can check out how I did my trailing edges at http://www.toddhoug.com. The fiberglass tips aren't difficult. The lines in the gelcoat are pretty close. If you take a few measurements to confirm, you can likely cut to the lines and then do some final trimming where needed. Todd Houg 90196 - Fuselage -----Original Message----- From: Ted Strand [SMTP:tstrand@strandcentral.com] Subject: RV9-List: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ted Strand" <tstrand@strandcentral.com> I have a question that hopefully someone can answer. I am currently finishing up on the empennage kit and I have two things remaining. 1) I need to finish the trailing edges of the Rudder and elevators. I see in the drawings to use pro-seal on the edges of the skin. Do they just want this in the corners, or do they want us to put it the whole length? Is the Rudder the same? 2) I just received my fiberglass tips for the empennage (they were backordered). Is there a trick to making them fit properly? Looks like they want to hang up on rivets that have already been installed in some places. 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    Time: 07:42:29 PM PST US
    From: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net>
    Subject: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net> >> 1) I need to finish the trailing edges of the Rudder and elevators. I >> see in the drawings to use pro-seal on the edges of the skin. Do they >> just want this in the corners, or do they want us to put it the whole >> length? Is the Rudder the same? >The idea is to proseal the entire length, cleco to a piece of angle angle >iron and let it setup. Then remove clecos and instal the rivets. The >proseal will hold everything in place as you rivet. >Yes, the rudder is the same. Robert, Does the latest plans or assembly instructions call for this? I know my older instructions circa 2000 do not specifiy this. They specify use only on the corners, have there been updates? I thought that this approach was one that a creative builder came up with and it has caught on with a few others. While it sounds like people get good results with it, it certainly isn't necessary. I got great results on the rudder, elevator, flaps and ailerons just clamping to a long piece of angle iron and riveting. The less I have to deal with proseal the better! I guess it's really up to the builder, that's what makes these experimental right? Todd Houg RV9A - Fuselage (still) eJ8+Ii0DAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAtAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHJ2OS1saXN0QG1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20AU01UUABydjktbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAA AB4AAzABAAAAFwAAAHJ2OS1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20AAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEw AQAAABkAAAAncnY5LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbScAAAAAAgELMAEAAAAcAAAAU01UUDpSVjkt TElTVEBNQVRST05JQ1MuQ09NAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAAeAPZfAQAAABcAAABydjktbGlzdEBt YXRyb25pY3MuY29tAAACAfdfAQAAAEsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABydjktbGlz dEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tAFNNVFAAcnY5LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9f AAAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAJpXgEEgAEAKQAAAFJFOiBSVjktTGlzdDogUlYtOUEgRWxldmF0 b3JzIGFuZCBSdWRkZXIA8gwBBYADAA4AAADTBwMACQAVACgALAAAAE8BASCAAwAOAAAA0wcDAAkA FQAhAAYAAAAiAQEJgAEAIQAAADJBRTM3RUNDMjU3RkZGNDNBQkFBQjE1NkRGQUQ4ODk5AJgHAQOQ BgAwBwAAIQAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAA AEAAOQDASsPUtubCAR4AcAABAAAAKQAAAFJFOiBSVjktTGlzdDogUlYtOUEgRWxldmF0b3JzIGFu ZCBSdWRkZXIAAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAcLmttTD8m/mDKf3Qf28V3Z+9mlrvgAAHgAeDAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABQAAAB0aG91Z0BhdHRnbG9iYWwubmV0AAMABhD5CtgEAwAHEJUD AAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAAAxKUlORUVEVE9GSU5JU0hUSEVUUkFJTElOR0VER0VTT0ZUSEVSVURERVJB TkRFTEVWQVRPUlNJU0VFSU5USEVEUkFXSU5HU1RPVVNFUFJPLVNFQUxPTlRIRUVER0VTT0ZUSEVT AAAAAAIBCRABAAAAAwQAAP8DAAB6BgAATFpGdYZ4hMU/AAoBAwH3AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcT AoAmfQqACMggOwlvMjWWNQKACoF2CJB3awuANGQ0DGBjAFALA2xpNDM2AUBjAEELYG5nkDEwMzML piA+FGE1AUBwA2B0BZAFQD4ggDEpICBJIG4J4MBkIHRvIGYLgAQA0mgXYGhlF2ByC3AUEJUU0CAJ gGcHkW9mGANoUnVkBIEgAHAXUGWwbGV2YRdwD5AuFuHfCqIKgRRyFiUVryAPoBgw+wuAGANkGGAD 8BTQBCAXcep1D6AgFiEtD6AHQBkw2x3EGOtzEyEa8UQXgBgRbnkbPxxPFqBqHuAFQHf/AHAFQBgQ BAAdpgWhFyAPkPYsGTAFwGQhdCRUHuAXYjRwdQVAaSSSGDB3aP0G8GUh3yLvFqAacBTQGBBePxbh HpEZiCCzYQeAP1coZSh/KY5UGCFpAQBhvx2gJxQDYB9jH+MCMGkJcHsqlSXgYxpwBaAXYi+QcP0I kGMYMBlBFMEacDL0LQ9/Lh8xAB+xGiIacCeDD6F1vnAa8C8hA6AJcARgdiVR/zHSBCAaIguAJDAw ZQUQN9B+dBriLyEzvzTPMBYD8GzPAyAoIRpBN9ByeSSxGLHXHbELUTKhYQQgeQhgOVT2LjovOz9Z B5Al4DkjGcS/L7IsJT9mP48P0AgAYgSQ/HQsQ1ohYAeRGBILYBZQfyQxC1EGMQWxPqAPoAbQbG8m kDiyQiAWcGkCIAQgY38HQAMgAhAr8gQAKwAXAGv0bm8H4G0mkD0hQmJIW/sxAEkQIAHQTEAmIkow NrH2cAWQBpBpJpAksjcjJpD/TPQmkB7iAiBIER+1JXcPcL830RgRMRFFEDdhNwBkRsLnSeIYEAhg Z2gkkhqgJKT8YXAWIQDQF/AkYBkhFyA/UmQvkAUAH3Aw8DfRYnX/AxAZ4kkQB4BRMTyxGBA4ZP8F QA9wSPJSIx+xViQXkAfR9xZAUKEa4VckwDMxNqIIYJcTQAQgFBBrHwFlbwtQZxgwGQAFQGdvBHA3 gXP8dWw5oFYUJ6Al4CehMqDHACALcUgSc24nBUAXIPcyoAQQCsB5GvAXAFrwWtF/VKJbNx+1QiQl 4BpmJeBm/QtgcDhUGHEEkEjSJBMxwP8sYDJwGLEyIwkAGLEyfTXX/zljGKE3IyqRBBEXAFBEF4B/ L3E8olZBMBpFEAJABJAh30NaXjEKUAQRJ6AnBCBUof884E6RVgAXcWgjVTRBwhqgf2oxKBBSkQDA WhArQx7xZf54TQAFEAeAAjAfgQUQUjHfLJwBkS8QBHAXUEhSEW8ZAFJWOUEgLSBGZx7hC2AZACAo JDA80SkvFdpDW0PDEGEAdJAAAwAQEAIAAAADABEQAAAAAAMAgBD/////QAAHMECO5MO15sIBQAAI MECO5MO15sIBCwAAgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADAAKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAMABYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAC3DQAAAwAJgAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAAeABOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQA AAA4LjAACwAXgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADABiACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAA RgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMAGoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgApgAggBgAAAAAA wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AKoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAAB AAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeACuACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEA AAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAADa9


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    Time: 11:44:10 PM PST US
    From: Ken Moak <ken_moak@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: RV-9A Elevators and Rudder
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Ken Moak <ken_moak@yahoo.com> I used the structural epoxy (T88) the plans called for rather than proseal on the rudder. I used the elevator spar and cekoed the rudder to it for a few days while it set. The spar is the same hole pattern as the from trailing edge of the rudder (left the plastic on to keep glue from setting on the spar) sounds like you are too far along and will have to drill. I have not closed the elevators yet, still waiting on a Tech Advisor (4 weeks, 3 advisors still no shows). Ken 90608 About to start the wings. --- Ted Strand <tstrand@strandcentral.com> wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ted Strand" > <tstrand@strandcentral.com> > > I have a question that hopefully someone can answer. > I am currently > finishing up on the empennage kit and I have two > things remaining. > > 1) I need to finish the trailing edges of the > Rudder and elevators. I > see in the drawings to use pro-seal on the edges of > the skin. Do they > just want this in the corners, or do they want us to > put it the whole > length? Is the Rudder the same? > > 2) I just received my fiberglass tips for the > empennage (they were > backordered). Is there a trick to making them fit > properly? Looks like > they want to hang up on rivets that have already > been installed in some > places. > > Thanks in advance!!! > > -Ted Strand- > N371N > Finishing Empennage > (Wing Kit in Storage) > Clearwater, FL > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV9-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv9-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/




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