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1. 03:15 AM - Re: horrors (John Oliveira)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Building in a small space. (Im7shannon@aol.com)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Pro seal measuring methods (John Kerr)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: Pro seal measuring methods (Gary)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: RV9-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/11/03 (Leland)
6. 10:19 AM - I have a Question (J R Saunders)
7. 11:36 AM - Re: I have a Question (Abwaldal@aol.com)
8. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: RV9-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/11/03 (Steve Sampson)
9. 12:01 PM - Re: I have a Question (Andy Karmy)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: I have a Question (Larry PERRYMAN)
11. 12:13 PM - Re: I have a Question (Glenn Brasch)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: I have a Question (J R Saunders)
13. 02:57 PM - Re: I have a Question (J R Saunders)
14. 03:19 PM - Re: Pro seal measuring methods (Albert Gardner)
15. 05:54 PM - Re: I have a Question (Harold Kovac)
16. 07:09 PM - Re: I have a Question (Gary Zilik)
17. 10:07 PM - Mixing Pro Seal (Rob W M Shipley)
18. 10:43 PM - Re: Mixing Pro Seal (Ralph Cloud)
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
remember, the Tank mounting brackets are riveted with blind rivets on the
back of the baffle plate. Just follow the same process. Dunk the rivet in
Pro Seal and have at it.
John Oliveira
----- Original Message -----
From: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: horrors
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "C J Heitman" <cjh@execpc.com>
>
> If you decide on a blind rivet, you may want to consider a closed end
rivet
> which eliminates the leak path through the center of the rivet. 1/8"
> diameter countersunk closed-end blind rivets are available here:
> http://pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/080.pdf (see Part No. 642-42-C) but I
> don't know if 3/32" diameter ones are available.
>
> Chris Heitman
> RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
> http://my.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "John Kerr" <kerrjohna@mtwest.net>
>
> I HAD FAILED TO INSTALL ONE RIVET. What do I do now?
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Building in a small space. |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Im7shannon@aol.com
It will fit through that door, if your basement is long enough to get up to
140 knots or so...8
]..But seriously you can get at least to the "canoe"
stage, get plumbing lines fitted up, build your panel and pre-wire it with
some molex plugs, get all the sheet metal pre-fitted, deburred, dimpled,
primed and ready to rivet on, etc etc.. but at this point you will be about
half way there and will need to move it to finish, (unless you choose plan
"A")
Kevin Shannon
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> I am about to order my RV-9 Fuse but have a real problem... a 32 1/4 inch
> door. I have talked to a few people about this and the best advice to date
> seems to be to splice the rear fuse bulkhead (706 I believe) and then the
> fuse will fit out my basement door when turned on it side. This is assuming
> that the steps, windshield, roll bar and rear top skin are not riveted yet.
> Does anybody have more experience with this on an RV-9? I would really like
> to build in the basement as I don't have a garage and renting a space is
> pretty unattractive. I would really appreciate any advice (or even
> ridiculous story's for that matter.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bryan
> (Working on the wings).
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pro seal measuring methods |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "John Kerr" <kerrjohna@mtwest.net>
after struggling with this, including trying a digital postal scale accurate
to 1/10 ounce, decided that the quantities I was using still made for some
guessing. I ended up fill 60cc disposable syringes and metering the mix by
volume (1cc black with 10cc white). even at that measuring small quantities
of black is still a challenge.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
Subject: RV9-List: Pro seal measuring methods
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
>
> I have been trying to figure out something. To measure the mix for pro
seal
> by weight, without buying a diet scale or someting else. Isn't there a way
> to configure a balance beam to compare the weights to get a 10 to 1
measure?
>
> Any ideas
>
> Ralph
> Livermore
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pro seal measuring methods |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
You could just make a simple balance beam of scrap wood or aluminum, with one arm
10 times as far from the pivot point as the other. A lopsided teeter-totter
with a square of cereal box cardboard hung on each end to hold the components.
Make sure it sits level with the beam and whatever you use to place the material
on in place. Then it will take 10 times as much weight of one component
as the other to make it level again.
I have an Ohaus gram scale, so I just weighed them out.
The mix ratio is not critical, but it is nice to be fairly consistent, and not
have to buy more hardener.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Cloud
To: rv9-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:08 PM
Subject: RV9-List: Pro seal measuring methods
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
I have been trying to figure out something. To measure the mix for pro seal
by weight, without buying a diet scale or someting else. Isn't there a way
to configure a balance beam to compare the weights to get a 10 to 1 measure?
Any ideas
Ralph
Livermore
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/11/03 |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, at the time I cut wing tip lenses, I used a dremel tool with a fiberglass
wheel.
For the canopy I bought Van's cutoff discs (I think they are made by Norton). I
use both
types of wheels for fiberglass and the instrument panel. I'd assumed that the wing
tip
lenses were acrylic but they could well be polycarbonate. Polycarbonate is tougher
and
more flexible but scratches more readily. In terms of melting edges, there are
several
posts in the archives warning not to flame polish or melt acrylic or it may stress
crack
in time. A well known technique to avoid melting is to make several light passes
and use a
slower-speed drill motor.
Leland
>
> Time: 11:42:41 AM PST US
> From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
> Subject: RE: RV9-List: Re: Wing tip lenses
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Leland - is your cutting wheel steel or that dark brown fibery stuff? I have
> been using the latter. It cuts and melts - perhaps I will turn the speed
> down....but the job is almost done. Do you know what the lenses are made of
> ? They seem really robust. My confidence grew as I progressed. I was
> thinking if I could get a flat sheet of the same material I would make an
> inspection hatch beneath my wing leveller by the bellcrankso I can look at
> it for DI.
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| Subject: | I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Hello List,
I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
Would you take advantage of this offer?
Would you think this was a good deal?
I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
Thank you in advance, for your time.
J R
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Abwaldal@aol.com
Good morning J R
If Van's offered me 20% off of everything I would jump at it real fast.
But, I'm almost finished with my RV-6 and don't need a lot of sruff. I've
found that Van's has very good pricing compared to other suppliers on just
about everything from screws to cables.
Have fun spending that hard earned cash. Art B. Waldal- RV-6 closing
up the engine
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/11/03 |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Ralph / Leland - thanks for the inputs. Although I have been cutting/melting
the rough cuts I find the only way to get a good fit is then to sand them
down the last 1/8" or so, so melting is not in the equation at the end. I
have been sanding with rough paper then going up to 1200 as I get near
perfection! (Or as near as I ever get.) Its slow. The first one took about 5
hrs....but then building is part of the fun. Still I was out flying
today....not in an RV.
Regards, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland
Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV9-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/11/03
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, at the time I cut wing tip lenses, I used a dremel tool with a
fiberglass wheel.
For the canopy I bought Van's cutoff discs (I think they are made by
Norton). I use both
types of wheels for fiberglass and the instrument panel. I'd assumed that
the wing tip
lenses were acrylic but they could well be polycarbonate. Polycarbonate is
tougher and
more flexible but scratches more readily. In terms of melting edges, there
are several
posts in the archives warning not to flame polish or melt acrylic or it may
stress crack
in time. A well known technique to avoid melting is to make several light
passes and use a
slower-speed drill motor.
Leland
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
It's not clear what the question is... Are you talking about 20% off if you buy
all of the kits at once?
I really like the current kit as you go method. I think it reduces your exposure
to storage and damage of parts, and after building one of these things I can't
imagine where I would hav stored the wing/fuselage/finish kits while working
on the tail parts, etc...
- Andy
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
>
>Hello List,
>
>I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
>
>If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
>
>Would you take advantage of this offer?
>Would you think this was a good deal?
>
>I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
>
>Thank you in advance, for your time.
>
>
>J R
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
03/12/2003 09:01:29 PM,
Serialize complete at 03/12/2003 09:01:29 PM
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Larry PERRYMAN" <larry.perryman@atofina.com>
It would be a GREAT deal but WHY?
Van's already gets more business than they can handle without delays. The
price of the kit and components is not really comparable with the
competitive kits at the same price level. Van's already gives more value
for the money.
SO I ASK AGAIN WHY????
Regards,
Larry Perryman
90288 Flying
"J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Sent by: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
03/12/2003 12:18 PM
Please respond to rv9-list
To: <rv9-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: RV9-List: I have a Question
--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Hello List,
I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
Would you take advantage of this offer?
Would you think this was a good deal?
I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
Thank you in advance, for your time.
J R
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Why is he asking anyway???
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: I have a Question
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
>
> It's not clear what the question is... Are you talking about 20% off if
you buy all of the kits at once?
>
> I really like the current kit as you go method. I think it reduces your
exposure to storage and damage of parts, and after building one of these
things I can't imagine where I would hav stored the wing/fuselage/finish
kits while working on the tail parts, etc...
>
> - Andy
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:18:10 -0800
>
> >--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
> >
> >Hello List,
> >
> >I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
> >
> >If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
> >
> >Would you take advantage of this offer?
> >Would you think this was a good deal?
> >
> >I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
> >
> >Thank you in advance, for your time.
> >
> >
> >J R
> >
> >Do Not Archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Hi Andy,
No, just 20% off on whatever you wanted to buy, is what I had in mind.
Thanks for the response,
J R
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
It's not clear what the question is... Are you talking about 20% off if you buy
all of the kits at once?
I really like the current kit as you go method. I think it reduces your exposure
to storage and damage of parts, and after building one of these things I can't
imagine where I would hav stored the wing/fuselage/finish kits while working
on the tail parts, etc...
- Andy
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
First I would to thank Art B, Andy, Larry & Glenn for taking the time to answer.
A few asked why I asked this question. Here is the answer.
Last Friday I listed my RV-9A Empennage kit, with electric elevator trim. (w/preview
plans) for sale on this list. (no work has been done on the kit)
I had quite a response to my offer to sell. And I was somewhat surprised by a lot
of the offers I received.
So you can understand why I asked the question.
I had offers to buy my kit at a discount of between 45% to 67% of cost........Nothing
wrong with looking for a good deal, but this I feel, is ridiculous.
Before I ordered my kit from Van's. I was looking to purchase from a builder to
save some money for other things, like tools. If I could have saved a few hundred
dollars on a like new kit, still in the boxes, the same thing Van's would
ship, I would have been a happy camper.
Thanks again to all who responded.
My wife thinks it would make one heck of a Weather Vane :)
J R
RV-9A Weather Vane 959JS (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Pro seal measuring methods |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner@worldnet.att.net>
After you mess with this stuff for awhile the easiest way is to use a
Popsicle stick and use 1 dab of black and 10 of white and mix it up.
Albert Gardner
N872RV
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
sounds good to me
----- Original Message -----
From: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
Subject: RV9-List: I have a Question
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
>
> Hello List,
>
> I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
>
> If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
>
> Would you take advantage of this offer?
> Would you think this was a good deal?
>
> I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
>
> Thank you in advance, for your time.
>
>
> J R
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Gary Zilik <zilik@direcpc.com>
Yup, I would go for 20% off all items. Great idea.
Harold Kovac wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
>
>sounds good to me
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
>To: <rv9-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV9-List: I have a Question
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV9-List message posted by: "J R Saunders" <jr182pilot@attbi.com>
>>
>>Hello List,
>>
>>I have a Question that I would like to put before you. (I'm curious)
>>
>>If Van's were to offer a 20% discount on everything. (except shipping)
>>
>>Would you take advantage of this offer?
>>Would you think this was a good deal?
>>
>>I would like to hear your (serious) thoughts on this.
>>
>>Thank you in advance, for your time.
>>
>>
>>J R
>>
>>Do Not Archive
>>
>>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
Ralph Cloud wrote
"I have been trying to figure out something. To measure the mix for pro seal
by weight, without buying a diet scale or someting else. Isn't there a way
to configure a balance beam to compare the weights to get a 10 to 1 measure?
Any ideas?"
A couple of years ago there was an enquiry from a nervous builder who had just
realised that he had accidently use half the amount of hardener necessary in his
tank. One of the wise old guys on the list told him not to worry since it
would still cure OK - just take longer.
When I heard this it made the exact ratio and use of a beam balance seem overly
precise so I made a test of the ability of Pro Seal to cure with ratios from
1:5 to 1:20. All cured well and sure enough the higher the ratio the longer it
took.
I made all my batches up by using two spoons. One for the Pro Seal and one about
a quarter the size for the hardener. Two good scoops of Pro Seal one level
scoop of hardener. It worked out fine and I reached the bottom of both containers
at the same time with everything cured well and testing air tight.
Don't get too anal. Mix up your batches with a somewhat close ratio and everything
will work fine.
I found that buttering the edges of the ribs with a popsicle stick worked well.
My Pro Seal was still usable two years after opening. Storage was in my garage
in San Diego.
Good luck
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
Thanks for all the suggestions. While hanging around the A&Ps at a FBO
several years ago, I watched them mix batches on a polypropalene cutting
board. His mix was by color, just make it gray, and mix well with a 1"
spatula. I guess I'll just "do it".
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Ralph
Livermore
Wings
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob W M Shipley
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 PM
> To: RV9-List Digest Server
> Subject: RV9-List: Mixing Pro Seal
>
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
>
> Ralph Cloud wrote
> "I have been trying to figure out something. To measure the mix
> for pro seal
> by weight, without buying a diet scale or someting else. Isn't there a way
> to configure a balance beam to compare the weights to get a 10 to
> 1 measure?
> Any ideas?"
>
> A couple of years ago there was an enquiry from a nervous builder
> who had just realised that he had accidently use half the amount
> of hardener necessary in his tank. One of the wise old guys on
> the list told him not to worry since it would still cure OK -
> just take longer.
> When I heard this it made the exact ratio and use of a beam
> balance seem overly precise so I made a test of the ability of
> Pro Seal to cure with ratios from 1:5 to 1:20. All cured well
> and sure enough the higher the ratio the longer it took.
> I made all my batches up by using two spoons. One for the Pro
> Seal and one about a quarter the size for the hardener. Two good
> scoops of Pro Seal one level scoop of hardener. It worked out
> fine and I reached the bottom of both containers at the same time
> with everything cured well and testing air tight.
> Don't get too anal. Mix up your batches with a somewhat close
> ratio and everything will work fine.
> I found that buttering the edges of the ribs with a popsicle
> stick worked well.
> My Pro Seal was still usable two years after opening. Storage
> was in my garage in San Diego.
> Good luck
> Rob
> Rob W M Shipley
> RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
>
>
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