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1. 02:31 AM - my first HS question (MICK MULLER)
2. 09:26 AM - Re: my first HS question (DThomas773@aol.com)
3. 10:46 AM - Re: my first HS question (Ken Moak)
4. 11:19 AM - Re: Nose wheel handling (Andy Karmy)
5. 11:28 AM - Re: ground handling and nosewheel (Andy Karmy)
6. 01:34 PM - Pneumatic Squeezer (Brice Bowman)
7. 06:44 PM - Re: Pneumatic Squeezer (DThomas773@aol.com)
8. 07:13 PM - Re: Pneumatic Squeezer (Ken Moak)
9. 07:52 PM - Re: Pneumatic Squeezer (Todd Houg)
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| Subject: | my first HS question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER" <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
Hello fellow constructors,
Well, I started on the empennage, made the strange brackets out of angle ,
made the little spacers and cleco'd the HS spars. Now it says to drill out the
holes. Does this include all the small holes on the flanges that get riveted
to the skins?
Mick Muller
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| Subject: | Re: my first HS question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Hi Mick,
Do you have your skins clecoed to the skeleton? The holes in the spar
flanges should be match drilled with the skin.
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| Subject: | Re: my first HS question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Ken Moak <ken_moak@yahoo.com>
Mick
Do not drill the flanges until you are putting the
skins on.
Ken
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--- MICK MULLER <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com> wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "MICK MULLER"
> <MULLERPHARM@bigpond.com>
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> Hello fellow constructors,
> Well, I started on the empennage, made the
> strange brackets out of angle , made the little
> spacers and cleco'd the HS spars. Now it says to
> drill out the holes. Does this include all the small
> holes on the flanges that get riveted to the skins?
> Mick Muller
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel handling |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
This is the one area that Mike Seager spent much time on and went out of his way
to make sure that I understood on my transition training. BABY that nose gear.
He told me to always keep it full back, do full stall landings and hold the
stick back while slowing on the runway etc. What you never want to do is push
it onto the runway as the mains will lift off and for a few seconds you'll roll
on just the nose gear just before it bends back... Ouch.
Sorry to hear about your problem, good luck on future landings...
- Andy
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From: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com>
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com>
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>Ivo:
>
>Thanks for your reply. You have some excellent advice for landings. I just
>wish I had read your note before I went to fly Friday afternoon. It was my
>first flight with wheel and gear leg fairings. I'm now waiting for Van's to
>open so I can order a new nose gear strut and associated fiberglass. Also,
>I hope I get good news from the prop shop. As I was warned by some 6A guys,
>you just better not land these things too fast. Live and hopefully learn!
>
>Dick Jones
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| Subject: | Re: ground handling and nosewheel |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
I've been gone for the last week, but now as I dig through all these messages about
ground handling problems I am confused...
What's the problem that you're having.
My RV9A is the best handling plane I've flown and just a joy both on and off the
runway. Let's look at a few things about how you're flying it and see if there's
something there.
First to mind is speeds. What speed are you doing on short final? I fly 60mph IAS
at that point just before I start rounding out. This is on a 3000ft runway
as reference.
Second, what's you idle speed? I flew mine for a few hours at 900rpm and it floated
forever, would not slowdown and was hard to handle. I slowed it to 500rpm
and it's a different plane. Now poweroff gives a nice descent.
3rd, Full stall landings, get that nose up. Trim for nose up all the way around
the pattern. By the time you're on final you should not be holding nose up pressure
it should already be trimed out for your 60mph glide. Then just hold it
nose slightly high as you near the ground. The mains should hit with the nose
still nicely in the air. Keep the stick back and hold the nose off the runway
as long as possible. By the time the elevator is not effective anymore you will
be going so slow that there's no way to have nosewheel steering problems now.
4th as others said, check the nosewheel breakout force and set per the plans. That's
key to not having the nosewheel shimmy.
Lastly, same drill on takeoff, pull the nosewheel up and get the weight off it
as you accelerate for liftoff. Not too high, just above the horizon and it will
fly off very nicely.
What did I miss? Are you already doing all of these things?
- Andy
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From: "Welch, Ivo" <ivo.welch@yale.edu>
>But you have piqued even more curiosity: is there a specific tradeoff
>between
>high-speed ground handling and turning radius? that is, can I do something
>to
>improve left-right stability on landing and takeoff, if I rarely need to
>turn in
>small circles?
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Brice Bowman <brice@earshotaudiopost.com>
I'm getting ready to rivet my empennage and I'm looking at a pneumatic
squeezer - the Chicago Pneumatic #214 style squeezer fron Avery (Part
#7500). Looking for input, experience, etc. on pneumatic squeezers in
general and suggestions on yoke choice...is the logeron yoke worth having,
etc. Any input would be appreciated before I spend the big bucks.
Brice Bowman
RV-9A #90620
Ready to rivet empennage/ordering wings
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Hi Brice,
I got a real good deal on a air driven squeezer but after using it a couple
times it is on the bench gathering dust. It is great for where you have a
large number of rivets you can reach that are the same size. But there are
not many of those situations on the airplane you ae building. It is time
consuming to set up and and it is a large, heavy tool that can do a lot of
damage if it gets out of hand. I now use my hand squeezer or the 2X gun.
Dennis Thomas
fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Ken Moak <ken_moak@yahoo.com>
Brice
My 2 cents worth...I bought the hand squeezer first,
and pretty quickly switched to the Avery pneumatic,
longeron yoke with the adjustable set holder. Have
not used a hand squeezer since and would not want to
go back. They can be a little heavy and the airhose
can be a pain. I put a swivel on the hose and after a
short period of getting used to it I really like it.
I have purchased another yoke, the long 4" no hole
one, but have almost never missed the hand squeezer.
A lot of it is personal preferance. A friend bought
an Alligator Pneumatic and I never liked it as much.
I'm glad I bought it. I'm just starting my wings so
you can tell I'm by no means anyone with a lot of
experiance. I have clamped it to the work bench and
used it like a small permenat one for a lot of
dimpling too.
Anyway thats my take on it, hope it helps
Ken
90608
Wings
--- Brice Bowman <brice@earshotaudiopost.com> wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Brice Bowman
> <brice@earshotaudiopost.com>
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> I'm getting ready to rivet my empennage and I'm
> looking at a pneumatic
> squeezer - the Chicago Pneumatic #214 style squeezer
> fron Avery (Part
> #7500). Looking for input, experience, etc. on
> pneumatic squeezers in
> general and suggestions on yoke choice...is the
> logeron yoke worth having,
> etc. Any input would be appreciated before I spend
> the big bucks.
>
> Brice Bowman
> RV-9A #90620
> Ready to rivet empennage/ordering wings
>
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net>
Brice,
I have to side with Ken on this. The pnuematic squeezer is the single most productive
tool I own. Get an Avery adjustable set and, contrary to other opinions,
the setup is easy and takes less time than changing dies. You get very quick
at visually estimating the gap required; just load the dies, squeeze the trigger
and spin the set holder to set the gap on the conservative side. Squeeze your
first rivet and give it another spin or two to fine tune it and your all set.
There are rows and rows of rivets that you will be able to set all exactly
the same every time.
I built over half of my Empennage before aquiring the pnuematic, since then the
my manual squeezer hasn't left the drawer.
As for yokes, the Longeron id probably the most useful. If I had only one yoke
it weould be the longeron, I use use it 80% of the time. There's a few places
where it won't fit and you need a standard yoke. I also have a small no hole and
a 4" yoke. The small no hole gets the least usage, the 4" is really nice for
the few places that you can use it. If you only get one get get a longeron,
second get a standard 1 1/2". The others are luxuries.
Todd
RV9A Fuselage
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From: Ken Moak
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Pneumatic Squeezer
--> RV9-List message posted by: Ken Moak <ken_moak@yahoo.com>
Brice
My 2 cents worth...I bought the hand squeezer first,
and pretty quickly switched to the Avery pneumatic,
longeron yoke with the adjustable set holder. Have
not used a hand squeezer since and would not want to
go back. They can be a little heavy and the airhose
can be a pain. I put a swivel on the hose and after a
short period of getting used to it I really like it.
I have purchased another yoke, the long 4" no hole
one, but have almost never missed the hand squeezer.
A lot of it is personal preferance. A friend bought
an Alligator Pneumatic and I never liked it as much.
I'm glad I bought it. I'm just starting my wings so
you can tell I'm by no means anyone with a lot of
experiance. I have clamped it to the work bench and
used it like a small permenat one for a lot of
dimpling too.
Anyway thats my take on it, hope it helps
Ken
90608
Wings
--- Brice Bowman <brice@earshotaudiopost.com> wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Brice Bowman
> <brice@earshotaudiopost.com>
>
> I'm getting ready to rivet my empennage and I'm
> looking at a pneumatic
> squeezer - the Chicago Pneumatic #214 style squeezer
> fron Avery (Part
> #7500). Looking for input, experience, etc. on
> pneumatic squeezers in
> general and suggestions on yoke choice...is the
> logeron yoke worth having,
> etc. Any input would be appreciated before I spend
> the big bucks.
>
> Brice Bowman
> RV-9A #90620
> Ready to rivet empennage/ordering wings
>
>
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> Forums.
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