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1. 03:27 AM - Re: Where to start in QB plans? (Steve Sampson)
2. 03:27 AM - Re: Wd716 (Steve Sampson)
3. 04:04 AM - Philipines (Jim Smith)
4. 05:03 AM - Re: Philipines (Fred & Ester New)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: Philipines (Jim Smith)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Philipines (Dale Larsen)
7. 05:31 PM - Rudder travel and stops (Tim)
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| Subject: | Where to start in QB plans? |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Roger - this comes up regularly and I was wondering the same thing 18 mos
ago. When I rec'd QB wings / fuse #90360 Jan 02, there is NOT a clear place
where they have built up to. (Or there was not then.) At first what you have
to do stutters. You do a bit, they have done a bit and then finally you are
doing it all. That sounds complicated but it isn't. When you have completed
the inventory go to the beginning sit down in front of it with the
instructions, plans and a pencil and if it is done put a tick against the
paragraph. If not, do it.
I think it is well worth while for two reasons:
1. You will understand a lot of worthwhile things about how it is
constructed which will haelp you at a later stage. I have to admit where a
whole subsystem was completed I did not go into the details. For instance I
did not build the tanks and have never fully understoofd the joys orf
proseal!!!!!!
2. There were a surprising number of places where I had to take rivets out!
There seemed to be a need in the Philipines to put a rivet in any empty
hole. They are not good at reading the notes which say "don't put a rivet in
......."
It really wont take more than a couple of hours which in the scheme of
things is nothing, and helps you get the big picture, which I think you
need.
Have fun, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Evenson
Subject: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
--> RV9-List message posted by: Roger Evenson <revenson@comcast.net>
Van's won't say where in the instructions they stopped construction of
quickbuild fuselage and wings.
Can someone tell me where in section 7 (wings) and/or section 8 (fuselage)
to begin? (Already checked the archives without success).
Roger, Tucson, Arizona, 9A
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Gary - thanks.
I have a message from Ken Scott and it looks as though my part has been
welded up incorrectly. (The tube is entirely INSIDE the gusset plate rather
than part in and part out. I take it your tube is part in and part out?) I
will try and borrow a digital camera since he also would like to see the
problem. If I shim it I would have to get blind rivets that are longer than
any in the kit it is so far away!
What is the tip-up reinforcement kit?
Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Wd716
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary" <rv9er@3rivers.net>
Hi, Steve.
There is a huge gap between the skin and the tube on that curve, as you say.
On each side, I made some thick shims of aluminum, curved to seat against
the tube, for two or three of the holes, and just filled one hole with a
rivet. There was a lot of shimming and fitting for the mating of the skin
to the frame, not just on the curved tube, but the sides as well.
I talked to Van's about it at the time, too. They said people fill in the
gap in various ways, including fiberglass, but it is not necessary to fill
it all in.
I do feel that the tip-up reinforcement kit is not an option, but necessary.
I would not build a tip-up without it.
I fussed over this problem at first, too, but I was pleased with the
rigidity and appearance of the frame when it was finished. Since it is
welded aluminum made of channels, tubes, and formed sheet, I can see that it
would be pretty difficult to build it so the skin would fit smoothly and
tightly all over, without some shimming and fitting, and that a gap on the
outside curve of the tube is quite unimportant.
If you could send me a picture or two of yours off list, I'll see if it
looks different than mine.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: rv9-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: RV9-List: Wd716
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Anyone had problems with this weldement. It's the front component in the
tipper canopy. I think it is welded wrongly.
The problem is this. The aft tube is notched prior to welding, presumably
so
it fits into the end plate of the weldement for stabilisation during
welding. However, when the welding was done this was not used and the tube
was tucked under this plate with the notch performing no function. The
result is that there is no way the C-702 can be pulled down flush against
the tube for several of the last holes. The skin stands in excess of "
above the tube half way around the bend, considerably too far away to use
shims. Because the tube has been placed inside the end plate the distance
along the surface of the tube is considerably less than along the skin.
I have advised VANS but they are probably mostly away.
Steve
#90360 UK
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Smith" <jsmith@openairnet.com>
Whoa... "Philipines"?
Hi Steve. I just joined the rv9 group and am thinking of building one. Could
you elaborate on the "Philipines" thing. Does Van send his QBs out?
Thanks!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Roger - this comes up regularly and I was wondering the same thing 18 mos
> ago. When I rec'd QB wings / fuse #90360 Jan 02, there is NOT a clear
place
> where they have built up to. (Or there was not then.) At first what you
have
> to do stutters. You do a bit, they have done a bit and then finally you
are
> doing it all. That sounds complicated but it isn't. When you have
completed
> the inventory go to the beginning sit down in front of it with the
> instructions, plans and a pencil and if it is done put a tick against the
> paragraph. If not, do it.
>
> I think it is well worth while for two reasons:
> 1. You will understand a lot of worthwhile things about how it is
> constructed which will haelp you at a later stage. I have to admit where a
> whole subsystem was completed I did not go into the details. For instance
I
> did not build the tanks and have never fully understoofd the joys orf
> proseal!!!!!!
> 2. There were a surprising number of places where I had to take rivets
out!
> There seemed to be a need in the Philipines to put a rivet in any empty
> hole. They are not good at reading the notes which say "don't put a rivet
in
> ......."
>
> It really wont take more than a couple of hours which in the scheme of
> things is nothing, and helps you get the big picture, which I think you
> need.
>
> Have fun, Steve.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Evenson
> Sent: 05 April 2003 01:11
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Roger Evenson <revenson@comcast.net>
>
> Van's won't say where in the instructions they stopped construction of
> quickbuild fuselage and wings.
>
> Can someone tell me where in section 7 (wings) and/or section 8 (fuselage)
> to begin? (Already checked the archives without success).
>
> Roger, Tucson, Arizona, 9A
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Fred & Ester New" <fred.new@delfi.ee>
That's right. If you look at Van's Quick-build Web page
(http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/kit-qb.htm) you'll see that, "QuickBuild
Kits are assembled by Wright Aircraft, Inc. in the Philippines, or High
Performance Aircraft International in the Czech Republic, from parts
supplied by Van's." One of the recent RVators stated that the Phillipines
plant wasn't able to produce fast enough so they started contracting with
the Czech firm. As I recall, they were very pleased with the products from
the Czech Republic. (By the way, you should order the RVator from Van's if
you haven't already.)
Fred New
-9A wannabuild
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Smith
Subject: RV9-List: Philipines
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Smith" <jsmith@openairnet.com>
Whoa... "Philipines"?
Hi Steve. I just joined the rv9 group and am thinking of building one. Could
you elaborate on the "Philipines" thing. Does Van send his QBs out?
Thanks!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
>
> Roger - this comes up regularly and I was wondering the same thing 18 mos
> ago. When I rec'd QB wings / fuse #90360 Jan 02, there is NOT a clear
place
> where they have built up to. (Or there was not then.) At first what you
have
> to do stutters. You do a bit, they have done a bit and then finally you
are
> doing it all. That sounds complicated but it isn't. When you have
completed
> the inventory go to the beginning sit down in front of it with the
> instructions, plans and a pencil and if it is done put a tick against the
> paragraph. If not, do it.
>
> I think it is well worth while for two reasons:
> 1. You will understand a lot of worthwhile things about how it is
> constructed which will haelp you at a later stage. I have to admit where a
> whole subsystem was completed I did not go into the details. For instance
I
> did not build the tanks and have never fully understoofd the joys orf
> proseal!!!!!!
> 2. There were a surprising number of places where I had to take rivets
out!
> There seemed to be a need in the Philipines to put a rivet in any empty
> hole. They are not good at reading the notes which say "don't put a rivet
in
> ......."
>
> It really wont take more than a couple of hours which in the scheme of
> things is nothing, and helps you get the big picture, which I think you
> need.
>
> Have fun, Steve.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Evenson
> Sent: 05 April 2003 01:11
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Roger Evenson <revenson@comcast.net>
>
> Van's won't say where in the instructions they stopped construction of
> quickbuild fuselage and wings.
>
> Can someone tell me where in section 7 (wings) and/or section 8 (fuselage)
> to begin? (Already checked the archives without success).
>
> Roger, Tucson, Arizona, 9A
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Smith" <jsmith@openairnet.com>
Thanks Fred!
Good to know. I can see that this RV9 email tool will come in very handy. I
will order my RVator today.
Jim Smith
Lead Internet Specialist
www.fun-places-to-fly.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred & Ester New" <fred.new@delfi.ee>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: Philipines
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Fred & Ester New" <fred.new@delfi.ee>
>
> That's right. If you look at Van's Quick-build Web page
> (http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/kit-qb.htm) you'll see that,
"QuickBuild
> Kits are assembled by Wright Aircraft, Inc. in the Philippines, or High
> Performance Aircraft International in the Czech Republic, from parts
> supplied by Van's." One of the recent RVators stated that the Phillipines
> plant wasn't able to produce fast enough so they started contracting with
> the Czech firm. As I recall, they were very pleased with the products
from
> the Czech Republic. (By the way, you should order the RVator from Van's
if
> you haven't already.)
>
> Fred New
> -9A wannabuild
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Smith
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV9-List: Philipines
>
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Smith" <jsmith@openairnet.com>
>
> Whoa... "Philipines"?
> Hi Steve. I just joined the rv9 group and am thinking of building one.
Could
> you elaborate on the "Philipines" thing. Does Van send his QBs out?
>
> Thanks!
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
> To: <rv9-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
>
>
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
> <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
> >
> > Roger - this comes up regularly and I was wondering the same thing 18
mos
> > ago. When I rec'd QB wings / fuse #90360 Jan 02, there is NOT a clear
> place
> > where they have built up to. (Or there was not then.) At first what you
> have
> > to do stutters. You do a bit, they have done a bit and then finally you
> are
> > doing it all. That sounds complicated but it isn't. When you have
> completed
> > the inventory go to the beginning sit down in front of it with the
> > instructions, plans and a pencil and if it is done put a tick against
the
> > paragraph. If not, do it.
> >
> > I think it is well worth while for two reasons:
> > 1. You will understand a lot of worthwhile things about how it is
> > constructed which will haelp you at a later stage. I have to admit where
a
> > whole subsystem was completed I did not go into the details. For
instance
> I
> > did not build the tanks and have never fully understoofd the joys orf
> > proseal!!!!!!
> > 2. There were a surprising number of places where I had to take rivets
> out!
> > There seemed to be a need in the Philipines to put a rivet in any empty
> > hole. They are not good at reading the notes which say "don't put a
rivet
> in
> > ......."
> >
> > It really wont take more than a couple of hours which in the scheme of
> > things is nothing, and helps you get the big picture, which I think you
> > need.
> >
> > Have fun, Steve.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Evenson
> > Sent: 05 April 2003 01:11
> > To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV9-List: Where to start in QB plans?
> >
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: Roger Evenson <revenson@comcast.net>
> >
> > Van's won't say where in the instructions they stopped construction of
> > quickbuild fuselage and wings.
> >
> > Can someone tell me where in section 7 (wings) and/or section 8
(fuselage)
> > to begin? (Already checked the archives without success).
> >
> > Roger, Tucson, Arizona, 9A
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Dale Larsen" <slickrock@been-there.com>
> Whoa... "Philipines"?
> Hi Steve. I just joined the rv9 group and am thinking of building one.
Could
> you elaborate on the "Philipines" thing. Does Van send his QBs out?
Jim,
I've inspected a cuple of the QB's right out of the crate. The workmanship
is very good.
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| Subject: | Rudder travel and stops |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Tim <rv9a_000@deru.com>
OK, I seem to have a measurement problem somewhere
but I can't see it.
I have the tail mounted to the fuse, and I am trying
to place the rudder stops. However, when the rudder
swings, it contacts the elevators long before the horn
can contact the stop.
My first thought was that the rod ends were way too far
out so I double checked drawing 6pp & 7 and verified the
distances between the spars at the top and bottom. They
all seem to check out OK - the spar webs are 2.5" apart
at the bottom.
The stops are made to plan, and when clecoed on with the
one prepunched mounting hole, the aft edge of the angle
is flush with the aft edge of the tailcone.
Can anyone tell me what I missed??
Thanks,
- Tim.
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