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1. 05:52 AM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (Jill and Tom Welch)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (Don/Marcia Piermattei)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (JOHN KERR)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (Andy Karmy)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: little wheel in the back (Chris W)
6. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: little wheel in the back (Ralph Cloud)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: little wheel in the back (Chris W)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (DThomas773@aol.com)
9. 09:44 PM - Re: Re: little wheel in the back (Ralph Cloud)
10. 11:02 PM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (Haywire)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch" <tomtana@centurytel.net>
Todd,I have been watching your project with intrest ever since I started mine a
year and a half ago .If you beat me in the air please come visit in montana.
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Don/Marcia Piermattei" <dlpier@lamar.colostate.edu>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV-9 (little wheel in the back)
Todd,
How about enlightening us re your opinion that the trike is better for
short/rough strips. I was disappointed to have purchased my kit before the
tail dragger and didn't want to regress to have to convert, but I will be
operating from a short/rough strip.
Thanks,
Don Piermattei
N 192 DP
Donald L. Piermattei DVM, PhD
5000 E County Rd 92
Carr, CO 80612
970/568-9047
Fax 970/568-7279
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: JOHN KERR <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
conventional thought is that conventional gear is preferred for short
rough landing strips ala bush planes. What are your reasonings?
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From: Haywire <haywire@telus.net>
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV-9 (little wheel in the back)
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Haywire" <haywire@telus.net>
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> Actually I've got you all beat. I built my own engine
> mount (for a rotary
> engine) that has mount options for main gear and nose gear and
> have main
> gear mounts in the fuselage and a tail wheel mount. I did this
> almost a year
> before Van's came out with the tailwheel option. I'm secure enough
> in my
> masculinity to put the little wheel any damn place I want it.
> My reasons for doing this is that I believe the trike
> configuration to be
> better for short rough strips, but the taildragger is necessary
> for ski
> operations due to a lack of differential braking.
> First flights will be as a trike (in about a month). I'll
> try it as a TD
> possibly this winter.
>
> S. Todd Bartrim
> Turbo 13B rotary powered
> RV-9endurance (FWF)
> C-FSTB
> http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Andy Karmy" <andy@karmy.com>
It's interesting that this discussion came up yesterday at the Scapoose homewing
flyin. Van was looking over at the RV9 taildragger and commented that not many
sales had come from the TD version as most of the new builders wanted the trike.
He said the trike is also the most popular on the RV7's... Seems like a
new era of homebuilders is taking over with different tastes...
Good luck all you Rv9 builders. It sure did look nice as it lifted off to leave
the flyin!
- Andy
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch" <tomtana@centurytel.net>
>
>Hi guys, I am the third (real airplane) rv9.I was wondering what
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| Subject: | Re: little wheel in the back |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Don/Marcia Piermattei wrote:
> Todd,
> How about enlightening us re your opinion that the trike is better for
> short/rough strips. I was disappointed to have purchased my kit before the
> tail dragger and didn't want to regress to have to convert, but I will be
> operating from a short/rough strip.
> Thanks,
My understanding is that the because the nose draggers can obtain a higher angle
of
attach on the ground with out the tail hitting the ground, they can get off quicker.
Apparently the AOA with the tail wheel on the ground is still a ways away from
the AOA
with greatest lift.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: little wheel in the back |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
Also, You can get a higher AOA on landing, making for a slower touchdown and
shorter rollout.
Ralph
Do not archive
>
> My understanding is that the because the nose draggers can obtain
> a higher angle of
> attach on the ground with out the tail hitting the ground, they
> can get off quicker.
> Apparently the AOA with the tail wheel on the ground is still a
> ways away from the AOA
> with greatest lift.
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| Subject: | Re: little wheel in the back |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
Ralph Cloud wrote:
> Also, You can get a higher AOA on landing, making for a slower touchdown and
> shorter rollout.
Why can't you just land it on the tail wheel first and then let the main gear
come down? A friend of mine who used to fly in Alaska said he did that on
occasion in a Cub when he needed to set it down on a really short stretch of
beach.
--
Chris Woodhouse
3147 SW 127th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73170
405-691-5206
chrisw@programmer.net
N35 20.492'
W97 34.342'
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Hi Tom,
Are you tipper or slider?
Dennis Thomas
fuselage approaching canopy
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| Subject: | Re: little wheel in the back |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <ercouper@flash.net>
Some of my EAA chapter members were up at Van's for the homecoming a couple
of years ago. They witnessed the crew put all of the RV demos back in the
hangar for the night and left the RV9A out. Their first thought was that
they didn't care for it as much as the rest of them.... then Van climed in
the 9A and flew home to his backyard home strip. You see, he likes the 9A as
his personal commute plane.
Ralph
do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris W
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Re: little wheel in the back
>
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> --> RV9-List message posted by: Chris W <chrisw3@cox.net>
>
> Ralph Cloud wrote:
>
> > Also, You can get a higher AOA on landing, making for a slower
> touchdown and
> > shorter rollout.
>
> Why can't you just land it on the tail wheel first and then let
> the main gear
> come down? A friend of mine who used to fly in Alaska said he did that on
> occasion in a Cub when he needed to set it down on a really short
> stretch of
> beach.
>
>
> --
> Chris Woodhouse
> 3147 SW 127th St.
> Oklahoma City, OK 73170
> 405-691-5206
> chrisw@programmer.net
> N35 20.492'
> W97 34.342'
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty
> to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Haywire" <haywire@telus.net>
Hi;
I'll try to answer all in one e-mail
a.. > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch"
> <tomtana@centurytel.net>
>
> Todd,I have been watching your project with intrest ever since I
> started mine a year and a half ago .If you beat me in the air
> please come visit in montana
My website is woefully out of date, but as I near completion I really don't
feel like working on the PC to update it. I'm even having a tough time
keeping up with e-mail. After I have all testing done I'll likely go north
for a few weeks, then late summer I'll probably go visit a few friends in
the states, before I leave I'll put out an e-mail on the list and would be
happy to stop in and take other builders for a ride.
a.. How about enlightening us re your opinion that the trike is better for
short/rough strips. I was disappointed to have purchased my kit before the
tail dragger and didn't want to regress to have to convert, but I will be
operating from a short/rough strip. Thanks, Don Piermattei
Lacking personal experience with the two models on rough strips, my opinion
is based on others experience and judgement. Ken Kruger (from Vans) wrote a
good article which is posted somewhere on the Vans Airforce world wing. It
discusses this very thing. Further to this a few years ago I discussed this
with him in person with a buddy of mine who is a commercial bush pilot. To
sum up the conversation it came down to three main points.
1.. Visibility- If you can see the obstacle, you are much less likely to
hit the obstacle.
2.. Braking- you can brake harder without concern of going over on the
nose
3.. AOA- able to have slower, steeper approach as the mains are located
further aft which allows for a much steeper pitch (greater than stall)
without touching the tail. Take off is also greatly improved as you can very
quickly rotate into ground effect, then speed will quickly increase to best
climb, without bouncing along on rough terrain.
a.. --> RV9-List message posted by: JOHN KERR <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
conventional thought is that conventional gear is preferred for short
rough landing strips ala bush planes. What are your reasonings?
These are unconventional planes allowing for unconventional thinking. I'm
sure that some planes designed specifically for bush operations (which these
are not) do benefit from conventional gear, but many also do this to cater
to pilot perceived advantage. Many (most?) modern bush planes in northern
Canada are trikes and operate out of soft strips carved out of the muskeg.
a.. My understanding is that the because the nose draggers can obtain a
higher angle of attach on the ground with out the tail hitting the ground,
they can get off quicker. Apparently the AOA with the tail wheel on the
ground is still a ways away from the AOA with greatest lift. --Chris
Woodhouse
b.. Also, You can get a higher AOA on landing, making for a slower
touchdown and shorter rollout. Ralph
Yep, that's about right.
a.. Why can't you just land it on the tail wheel first and then let the
main gear come down? A friend of mine who used to fly in Alaska said he did
that on occasion in a Cub when he needed to set it down on a really short
stretch of beach. -- Chris Woodhouse
Doing this perfectly every time would take alot of skill and concentration
on a smooth surface (such as a wet beach), but could you do this every time
on a rough strip? What about that one little bump that you couldn't see? I
can envision that little bump on the tailwheel slapping the plane down on
the mains, resulting in a nose heavy bounce, with a really ugly finish. I'm
one to take difficult calculated risks that require much skill and
concentration, but to what advantage? I don't see one here.
Am I correct in my thinking here? I don't know for certain. Could be I don't
have a clue, but these are my thoughts for those that asked.
I hope this helps or at least entertained ;-)
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RV-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe
in, Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass".
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