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1. 05:57 AM - Re: (BFlood@sauer-danfoss.com)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) (Im7shannon@aol.com)
3. 07:59 AM - Time to Build Wings (Glenn Brasch)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: Time to Build Wings (John Oliveira)
5. 12:34 PM - Re: Time to Build Wings (JOHN KERR)
6. 01:52 PM - Re: Time to Build Wings (DThomas773@aol.com)
7. 02:47 PM - Problems countersinking aileron spars (Mark Schrimmer)
8. 04:02 PM - HP (Jill and Tom Welch)
9. 05:36 PM - Re: Time to Build Wings (Richard E. Tasker)
10. 05:36 PM - Re: Time to Build Wings (Richard E. Tasker)
11. 07:29 PM - Re: HP (Haywire)
12. 08:12 PM - Where (Jill and Tom Welch)
13. 08:17 PM - Sorry Gary (Jill and Tom Welch)
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| Subject: | Re: e: RV9-List: |
06/17/2003 07:57:33 AM
--> RV9-List message posted by: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
Just wanted to clarify a bit on the aileron spar problem. I am not
countersinking for a rivet, but rather countersinking for a dimple in the
skin. So the countersink depth and width seem to be greater than the
standard .040-.045. My general problem then becomes C-sinking too deep in
the .060 spar. The only solution I have heard is to C-sink the spar and
skin together and then dimple the leading edge or dimple all three. Any
other ideas.
Thanks for the input
Bryan
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Peter Laurence" <plaurence@the-beach.net>
Haven't got to the ailerons yet. But on the stab spar I had about 1/3 of
the
thickness left. These were .065 .
As you probably know, the rule of thumb is dimple .040 and thinner and
machine sink above this thickness.
The countersink depth for a #3 rivet is apprx. .045.
This should leave you with approx .015 or 25% of the thickness of the spar.
There should have been some of the rivet shank engaging the side of the
hole. Perhaps you sunk the rivet head a little too deep.
Were the rivets swimming in the hole? If so, they may not have swelled
enough to give you strengh and prevent smoking.
In my opinion, I would probably (and don't yell) redo the spar. You can
deal
with the enlarged skin holes by using a longer rivet and swelling it to
fill
the hole. BTW, When I was building the 6, I became Florida's best rivet
remover and sweller!
However, as I recall I did dimple the rear wing spar on my RV6A .
Peter
> >
> I would love a bit of feedback from those who have built their ailerons.
> According to the Van's instructions you should countersink the spar for
the
> ailerons instead of using a dimple die b/c the metal is 0.060 inch
thick.
> This didn't work too well. When I got all done I noticed that the
> countersink was really close to all the way through the spar. In fact the
> clecos would no longer stay attached to the spar. I riveted the whole
thing
> together and it seems okay but it was a bit of a mess. The second aileron
> spar I dimpled and it was way better, I didn't observe any warping in the
> spar as the directions warned. Did anyone think the countersinks in the
> aileron spar looked too deep for comfort or have a similar experience?
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 (little wheel in the back) |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Im7shannon@aol.com
Been reading all the pros and cons about TD vs ND on short rough strips,
recently a friend of mine landed his super cub on a grass strip he frequently
uses, well the weather in the pacific northwest has been unusually good lately,
which is conducive to rapid grass growth. Short story is, the tall grass brought
the mains to a quick halt but the rest of the cub kept going and wound up on
its back with a bent up prop, a not so vertical stabilizer, and a very
unhappy. embarrassed but unharmed demolition derby stunt pilot.
I believe in this instance, a nose wheel would have made this story have a
happier ending.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
I am trying to make some computations and plans. Can I get a quick reply from
those who have completed wings on which model RV you are doing, if it is a quick
build or not, and approximate numbers of hours to complete the wings? Thanks
in advance, Glenn in Arizona -9A emp.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
Wings, 339.8 hours on a non-quick build RV9A
John Oliveira, 90054
N909RV Reserved
I am trying to make some computations and plans. Can I get a quick reply
from those who have completed wings on which model RV you are doing, if it
is a quick build or not, and approximate numbers of hours to complete the
wings? Thanks in advance, Glenn in Arizona -9A emp.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: JOHN KERR <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
will complete non quick build wings in about 500 hours.
I am just over 400 with one flap and controls to go.
John Kerr
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From: Glenn Brasch <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV9-List: Time to Build Wings
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
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> I am trying to make some computations and plans. Can I get a
> quick reply from those who have completed wings on which model RV
> you are doing, if it is a quick build or not, and approximate
> numbers of hours to complete the wings? Thanks in advance, Glenn
> in Arizona -9A emp.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
At one point I read something on Van's website, quoting an experianced
builder, who kept very exact records of his building time. He did his wings in
440
hours. I must confess I spent almost 700 hours on mine. My records are at the
hanger and I will post my exact time tonight.
Dennis Thomas 90164
finishing fuselage
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| Subject: | Problems countersinking aileron spars |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer@pacbell.net>
>When I got all done I noticed that the countersink was really close to all the
way through the spar.
I had a similar problem with one of my flaps, but someone at Van's (can't
remember who I spoke to) gave me a good solution. Order a narrow strip of
.025 aluminum from Van's and match drill it to the spar. This piece of
aluminum should be placed underneath the spar flange and acts as a doubler.
When you rivet everything together, the rivet will go through the dimpled
skin, then through the spar, and then through the .025 doubler.
Mark Schrimmer
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch" <tomtana@centurytel.net>
Todd,my engine is a subaru ej 25 from NSI with a cap 200 prop. If you want to see
a pic, Go to E- subieforum@yahoogroups .com and clic on photos not as cool
as your plane but I think it will work.
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
I haven't finished my wings. I still have to prime and rivet the bottom
skins and finish the tips, but so far I have 290 hours in them.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Glenn Brasch wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
>I am trying to make some computations and plans. Can I get a quick reply from
those who have completed wings on which model RV you are doing, if it is a quick
build or not, and approximate numbers of hours to complete the wings? Thanks
in advance, Glenn in Arizona -9A emp.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Build Wings |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
I haven't finished my wings (non-quickbuild). I still have to prime and
rivet the bottom skins and finish the tips, but so far I have 290 hours
in them.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Glenn Brasch wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Glenn Brasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
>I am trying to make some computations and plans. Can I get a quick reply from
those who have completed wings on which model RV you are doing, if it is a quick
build or not, and approximate numbers of hours to complete the wings? Thanks
in advance, Glenn in Arizona -9A emp.
>
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Haywire" <haywire@telus.net>
Thanks but no. Ya gotta join up to view any photos, then you're subject to
the great Yahoo spam machine. Don't need any more. Thanks anyways.
do not archive
S. Todd Bartrim
Turbo 13B
RV-9endurance
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
"Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe
in, Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass".
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> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill and Tom
> Welch
> Sent: June 17, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV9-List: HP
>
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch"
> <tomtana@centurytel.net>
>
> Todd,my engine is a subaru ej 25 from NSI with a cap 200 prop. If
> you want to see a pic, Go to E- subieforum@yahoogroups .com and
> clic on photos not as cool as your plane but I think it will work.
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch" <tomtana@centurytel.net>
Dan and gary ,I am in Bigfork Up near glacier park . you Are welcome to stop by
anytime .Dan,I will look up Belt and see where you are.
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jill and Tom Welch" <tomtana@centurytel.net>
Gary got things mixed up .If we can touch base I will fly over and check out your
project.
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