RV9-List Digest Archive

Sun 09/14/03


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 10:13 AM - Tanl leaks (Steve Sampson)
     2. 10:41 AM - Re: Tanl leaks (Stein Bruch)
     3. 10:44 AM - Re: Tanl leaks (Steve Sampson)
     4. 11:03 AM - Re: Tanl leaks (Jones)
     5. 05:29 PM - Re: Tanl leaks (John Oliveira)
     6. 07:36 PM - Re: Tanl leaks (Albert Gardner)
     7. 08:16 PM - F-904 Question (Vicki Schrimmer)
     8. 08:16 PM - F-904 Question (Vicki Schrimmer)
     9. 08:42 PM - Re: F-904 Question (Todd Houg)
    10. 09:27 PM - Re: Tanl leaks (Dean)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:13:45 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
    Subject: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> I tested one of my QB tanks today for leaks prior to painting. With PVC tape sealing the drain hole, filler hole and the main fuel exit I dropped the pressure through the vent connection so I had a differential of about 10" of water on a manometer. The pressure is dropping at about 2" every 30 minutes which must be a very minute leak. How does one go about finding it? The cork gasket is in place with gasket sealant and I have dipped the screws securing this cover plate and the fuel sender screws in sealant also. Thanks, Steve #90360 UK


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    Time: 10:41:55 AM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> Hi Steve, The first trick is to mix a spray bottle with water and soap (dishwashing - "Dawn" type), and when the tanks are under pressure, spray the whole tank. Even a minute leak should show some "bubbling". Make sure you first check the obvious areas: the drain holes, filler area, etc.. before doing the whole tank. Many times the leak is just a less than perfect seal on all of the "testing apparatus". If they are good, then look at the rear baffle, then the fuel sender plate, then the rib's. Hope this helps, Stein Bruch RV6's, Minneapolis. http://www.steinair.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Sampson Subject: RV9-List: Tanl leaks --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> I tested one of my QB tanks today for leaks prior to painting. With PVC tape sealing the drain hole, filler hole and the main fuel exit I dropped the pressure through the vent connection so I had a differential of about 10" of water on a manometer. The pressure is dropping at about 2" every 30 minutes which must be a very minute leak. How does one go about finding it? The cork gasket is in place with gasket sealant and I have dipped the screws securing this cover plate and the fuel sender screws in sealant also. Thanks, Steve #90360 UK


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    Time: 10:44:21 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
    Subject: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> Further to my own query the archives talk about soap water and blowing bubbles. Is this just ordinary soap?


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    Time: 11:03:06 AM PST US
    From: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com>
    Subject: Re: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com> My fuel tank caps leaked fairly significantly around the center rod that expands the main O-ring. The main O-ring seal didn't leak, just the center seal...Dick Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> Subject: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> > > I tested one of my QB tanks today for leaks prior to painting. With PVC > tape sealing the drain hole, filler hole and the main fuel exit I dropped > the pressure through the vent connection so I had a differential of about > 10" of water on a manometer. The pressure is dropping at about 2" every 30 > minutes which must be a very minute leak. How does one go about finding it? > The cork gasket is in place with gasket sealant and I have dipped the screws > securing this cover plate and the fuel sender screws in sealant also. > > Thanks, Steve > #90360 > UK > >


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    Time: 05:29:19 PM PST US
    From: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net> Ditto with mine. Only when I really taped and sealed the fillers up did I get anything resembling no leaks. John O ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com> > > My fuel tank caps leaked fairly significantly around the center rod that > expands the main O-ring. The main O-ring seal didn't leak, just the center > seal...Dick Jones > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> > To: <rv9-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" > <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> > > > > I tested one of my QB tanks today for leaks prior to painting. With PVC > > tape sealing the drain hole, filler hole and the main fuel exit I dropped > > the pressure through the vent connection so I had a differential of about > > 10" of water on a manometer. The pressure is dropping at about 2" every 30 > > minutes which must be a very minute leak. How does one go about finding > it? > > The cork gasket is in place with gasket sealant and I have dipped the > screws > > securing this cover plate and the fuel sender screws in sealant also. > > > > Thanks, Steve > > #90360 > > UK > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:36:37 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Re: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net> Check the BNC connector also. If you didn't substitute a pressure type connector, there are reports of the one Vans supplied leaking. Mine did. Albert Gardner RV-9A 872RV Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 08:16:47 PM PST US
    Subject: F-904 Question
    From: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net>
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net> The top flange of the aft half of the F-904 bulkhead has rivet holes for nutplates. The instructions say to countersink these rivet holes. However, there are 8 additional 3/32" holes in this flange next to the holes for the nutplate rivets. Does anybody know what these holes are for? Are we also suppose to countersink these holes? Thanks in advance, Mark Schrimmer


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    Time: 08:16:47 PM PST US
    Subject: F-904 Question
    From: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net>
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net> The top flange of the aft half of the F-904 bulkhead has rivet holes for nutplates. The instructions say to countersink these rivet holes. However, there are 8 additional 3/32" holes in this flange next to the holes for the nutplate rivets. Does anybody know what these holes are for? Are we also suppose to countersink these holes? Thanks in advance, Mark Schrimmer


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    Time: 08:42:41 PM PST US
    From: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net>
    Subject: F-904 Question
    --> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg <thoug@attglobal.net> Mark, Those additional holes should be for the top flange of the seat floor ribs that run between the F-904 and F-905. They will need to be countersunk also. For virtually all of my nutplates I use the NAS 3/32" oops rivets, so I always countersink the nutplate rivets. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Schrimmer Subject: RV9-List: F-904 Question --> RV9-List message posted by: Vicki Schrimmer <abusymom@cox.net> The top flange of the aft half of the F-904 bulkhead has rivet holes for nutplates. The instructions say to countersink these rivet holes. However, there are 8 additional 3/32" holes in this flange next to the holes for the nutplate rivets. Does anybody know what these holes are for? Are we also suppose to countersink these holes? Thanks in advance, Mark Schrimmer eJ8+IhsDAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAtAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHJ2OS1saXN0QG1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20AU01UUABydjktbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAA AB4AAzABAAAAFwAAAHJ2OS1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20AAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEw AQAAABkAAAAncnY5LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbScAAAAAAgELMAEAAAAcAAAAU01UUDpSVjkt TElTVEBNQVRST05JQ1MuQ09NAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAAeAPZfAQAAABcAAABydjktbGlzdEBt YXRyb25pY3MuY29tAAACAfdfAQAAAEsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABydjktbGlz dEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tAFNNVFAAcnY5LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9f AAAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAJpXgEEgAEAHQAAAFJFOiBSVjktTGlzdDogRi05MDQgUXVlc3Rp b24AfQgBBYADAA4AAADTBwkADgAWAC0AGgAAAE4BASCAAwAOAAAA0wcJAA4AFgAqADkAAABqAQEJ gAEAIQAAADA2MEZFMEM4NDBCRTlBNDE4MEQ3ODA2QjQ5ODBGQTQ2AB8HAQOQBgCECAAAIQAAAAsA AgABAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDgP+fMO3vD AR4AcAABAAAAHQAAAFJFOiBSVjktTGlzdDogRi05MDQgUXVlc3Rpb24AAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAA AcN7O8znUHQdrVegSTqqEcYNKmmmYgAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABQAAAB0 aG91Z0BhdHRnbG9iYWwubmV0AAMABhBWilFtAwAHEBQHAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABNQVJLLFRIT1NF QURESVRJT05BTEhPTEVTU0hPVUxEQkVGT1JUSEVUT1BGTEFOR0VPRlRIRVNFQVRGTE9PUlJJQlNU SEFUUlVOQkVUV0VFTlRIRUYtOTA0QU5ERi05MDVUSEVZAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAYQUAAF0FAADeCgAA TFpGdagXLSc/AAoBAwH3AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcTAoNDAFAO5nBycTIP5n0TCoAIyCA7CW8y NTVLAoAKgXYIkHdrC4Bk2jQMYGMAUAsDYwBBC2DAbmcxMDMzC6YF0DkKwGssCqIKhAqAVGgCbw+g IGFkZGl0VmkCIAdAIBgQbAeRc8EYEHVsZCBiGEACEIkFwHRoGEB0b3AaALMV4hhAb2YaQw+gYQVA 7RrQbwWxBRBiBCAaUBvRzHJ1A6AZ4HR3CeEaQ+BGLTkwNBhQFNAd84g1LiAYAGV5IAPw+mwDIG4J 4BnAGpAZ0gWgVR0QdASQcx0QaxhQbHRzbx7wRgWxFHAAIHVdB0BsH0AiERsybR9Abhx1dAtRIKAE IEkgdRMYMRpSTkEF8DMvM7wyIhswGqAEIAUQdg+wPHMsGWAgECOgB0B3Yf55BCAgZguAIQAaUiMG JSX+LhdKDIIfAARwCzEomQsD8GxpMzYBQBWgAUARMBJvIKBjdBB0MTYgai0sgk8FEGcLgBjhTfkH kHNhGxAsgxdGK5QrYYMLEyuWaS0xNDQBQPEq4DE4MAFADNAwIylgKkYDYToMg2IP0FZp3mMUsAYA D2AFEG0HgArUXwqBKWAGYAIwMbdTHRBk7yYwJZAGYAUwZQbQMxEwIA8lkAHQFjA1sDA6MjE4IFBN M0cpgDG3UlZIOS1MBAB0QADAdFsDYAMAYyhQBaBtM0h1rGJqK8E3jzod9VEKUP84cBixLi8vOirk C7YXUyyAzj44ByLALXQgcBggIKDtGcF5O4AyTjwBoCPABsAlA3BABaB4Lh+wdD73F0waf0RxYQGA GQAHQBtQ5xtFHgRCoGxrRHAYYEXxvyUVGQUaERdEIwce8yALgP84cB0AK9AYsRlRJjAf8iZ9Zxgx R/ke8EhvHXAlUHLfFzUaUQlwGFBOcTgYWiSEvxkUC4AaQQQAGsYfsHgFQD8gARpSSFcaQkjsJ/Yg RFZvB5EAcHkG4GQfQGv+bk1wH1Acwkw0GRROohoRfj8P4RhAHXAhExdEINBwb0DRRIJLb1IFPxdM AHBry1BTGGB2AHBjZRc7FvLHMpgpzgqAXy09Xy9gP6thT2JfPV6nIGQbLUnjnT/HRQDAAxEhgXVt LHDfY4gYAFDCZlNQwXNA0ACA7wWwH9Ez4SHQZSIxGlADYPh1Z2gaQwhQAjAcYSMQP0qyY4gbQUAF NXJJwSBZvQhgJx+DTaEboRhAYgBw/x+wBcAYYAQgBbFUsRswTkL/Y4gaEWaAG0EYgAlwK9BbsvcE kBigJuFnGzAdpBbwOMV/ZjQoVl8PdG91f3aPY0wh8iEHsEVXBABpwHiAY4iaQgNgdxgxO0QgVRgx 7nkIYVdRKWBiefMaMSAQ/RRyICNDQDdy6TagGBAgAfpTD3FlepF+k0DAfkIEIP4mGgADEAeRA/Aa UG7Ua7x/cw+C74P/hQ93T2PxQANS52kgI1EZwElub9Ib0DxXvWPjUEDhLVZ6kRxQdjgwByrgOH9j mFVOL1NVgEJTQ1JJQkWKUoJoAkBwOi8vd44Q+i6LKy8g0ByABQOIvEAD+EZBUYpSZBKNr462kPH6 LzgWLpGgi+oGYArAD2D/ZdAWAAuAftKRr463lPNjifg3LURLEXnkjW+OenuUbi+KlmOJeeVELPA8 IXP/O4CZj462GICdQpt/ZAEHEP8PYCVBnYGRT45clQKhIojqP35Loc+OmH90fqKP/lNwfwWQBpAy UJW/jomfv2QQT/+Ax6FUqY+OtjVgZgGK0qPq/2orqV+OiQWgakiB77R/tY9ftp+GLrhfXjsR8QC6 0AAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzAgxuNzO3vDAUAACDAgxuNzO3vDAQsAAIAI IAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAA AAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAAMACYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA AAGFAAAAAAAAHgATgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAsAF4AIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAYgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAAD ABqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AKYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaF AAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeACqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAr gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAA AwANNP03AADUQw==


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    Time: 09:27:56 PM PST US
    From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
    Subject: Re: Tanl leaks
    --> RV9-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net> Steve Crank your tank test pressure up to about 27 inches of H2O which will give you about one PSI. It will give you a better chance of finding your leaks and will not damage the tanks. This is what I used with good success on my RV-9A tanks. I also used a spray bottle of water with a very small amount of liquid detergent soap. Dean Van Winkle Finish Kit/13B NA Rotary ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > --> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net> > > Ditto with mine. Only when I really taped and sealed the fillers up did I > get anything resembling no leaks. > > John O > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com> > To: <rv9-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jones" <esnj@granbury.com> > > > > My fuel tank caps leaked fairly significantly around the center rod that > > expands the main O-ring. The main O-ring seal didn't leak, just the > center > > seal...Dick Jones > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> > > To: <rv9-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RV9-List: Tanl leaks > > > > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" > > <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu> > > > > > > I tested one of my QB tanks today for leaks prior to painting. With PVC > > > tape sealing the drain hole, filler hole and the main fuel exit I > dropped > > > the pressure through the vent connection so I had a differential of > about > > > 10" of water on a manometer. The pressure is dropping at about 2" every > 30 > > > minutes which must be a very minute leak. How does one go about finding > > it? > > > The cork gasket is in place with gasket sealant and I have dipped the > > screws > > > securing this cover plate and the fuel sender screws in sealant also. > > > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > #90360 > > > UK > > > > > > > > > > > >




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