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1. 09:20 AM - Re: Using DuPont paint/primers (Joosten, Craig)
2. 09:45 AM - (BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com)
3. 10:15 AM - Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (Vic Jacko)
4. 11:58 AM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (Richard Tasker)
5. 01:55 PM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (fcs@jlc.net)
6. 02:42 PM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (Clifford Begnaud)
7. 03:44 PM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (John Oliveira)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (Vic Jacko)
9. 04:00 PM - Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice (Vic Jacko)
10. 04:19 PM - Re: (Albert Gardner)
11. 06:40 PM - Re: (Gary Crowder)
12. 07:05 PM - Re: (Dean)
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| Subject: | Using DuPont paint/primers |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Joosten, Craig" <CJoosten@infiltratorsystems.net>
Gary
I am having difficulty contacting you off line.
Craig #90891
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Newsted
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Using DuPont paint/primers
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary Newsted" <fcs@jlc.net>
> Gary Newsted, are you available to provide some pointers on using DuPont
> paint/primers?
> Thanks
> Craig
Ask away here, or drop me an email offlist at fcs@jlc.net
I'm off to the hangar hoping to find something to do on my 9E while its
snowing, but I'll check my email later on.
Gary
Gary
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01/08/2004 11:45:37 AM
--> RV9-List message posted by: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
Hello all list readers... I am at the point in my construction where I
should be mounting the wings to set the angle of incidence, etc.
Unfortunately my fuse is being built in a very small basement and is very
hard to remove. What I would like to do is complete the fuse in the
basement, remove it and then mount the wings. Has anyone done this? Looking
for advice from someone who has gone this route and any problems they might
have run into. The biggest problem seems to be setting up the fuel line and
electrical routing.
Thanks for the help.
Bryan
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| Subject: | Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
List. The most important decision a builder must make is their choice of
Kit. I have already made that choice as I have a RV-9A kit ready to make
the powerplant choice. The second most inportant decision is that of
making a powerplant choice. I want to build a very light RV-9A so I am
looking for info on other flying RV-9A with various engines.
The format I am requesting is as follows;
Please tell me your empty weight (FAA definition) of finished airplane.
Include if you will the weights on each wheel.
Please tell me your engine choice with complete designation of engine i.e.
Lycoming 0-320 E2D!
Please tell me the speed performance at pressure altitude of 8,000 feet and
75% power if you can get it!
Any other info that you feel important or interesting to help make the
choice.
Anyone have a flying RV-9A sporting the Eggenfellner 2.5 Subie? If so how
does it perform?
Thank you-all very much for helping out.
Vic Jacko
Roswell, NM
505-622-8513
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
Yes there are, but you would have better luck getting an answer to this
question on that newsgroup. (subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com)
You do have to join though. If you are interested at all in that
engine, join and communicate.
I will use the Eggenfellner engine package, but am not flying yet.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Vic Jacko wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
>Anyone have a flying RV-9A sporting the Eggenfellner 2.5 Subie? If so how
>does it perform?
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "fcs@jlc.net" <fcs@jlc.net>
I dunno,,, my RV-9E is fast and so quiet it's spooky.
Might be an interesting vehicle to fly around Roswell
particularly if you paint it florescent green.
I agree with Richard. Tune into the newsgroup if you
want loads of detail.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Vic,
I plan to use a BIG rubber band in mine, a little bigger than the one in the
kitfox. ;-)
How far along are you? Did you buy a partially completed kit? Patti and I
have a found partner for our 9A, still in the talking stage and we're
ironing out the details. Anyway, looks like the RV project may get
resurrected from its hibernation; 2.5 years now. Trying to get the basement
organized and setup as a shop. Installed heaters in the hangar last week,
making progress...
I still see you posting on the Kitfox list occasionally, hard to let go,
isn't it ;-)
Did you see the article in the most recent Kitplanes magazine about the
Mustang II and his speed mods? I was originally thinking of putting an 0-360
in our RV because of the high elevation airports here in Colorado. Of course
that would be more for takeoff and climb performance than for speed, but the
article is very enlightening and makes me rethink the engine thing. Also,
you should read the book "Speed with Economy" by Kent Paser. Great info on
making your plane fast with minimal power.
Best regards,
Cliff
Erie, CO
RV9A, rubber band powered at the moment
Kitfox 5 N88VJ (267 hours)
Kitfox 5 N90869 (1001 hours)
Kitfox 5 N518RD (0 hours)sale pending
(I've really got too many kitfoxes)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
I seem to have read some place that installing the 0360 in the RV9 results
in very negligible climb performance differences as weight goes up, and GC
is effected.
Biggest increase they got was Fuel Consumption!!
John Oliveira
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Vic,
> I plan to use a BIG rubber band in mine, a little bigger than the one in
the
> kitfox. ;-)
> How far along are you? Did you buy a partially completed kit? Patti and I
> have a found partner for our 9A, still in the talking stage and we're
> ironing out the details. Anyway, looks like the RV project may get
> resurrected from its hibernation; 2.5 years now. Trying to get the
basement
> organized and setup as a shop. Installed heaters in the hangar last week,
> making progress...
>
> I still see you posting on the Kitfox list occasionally, hard to let go,
> isn't it ;-)
> Did you see the article in the most recent Kitplanes magazine about the
> Mustang II and his speed mods? I was originally thinking of putting an
0-360
> in our RV because of the high elevation airports here in Colorado. Of
course
> that would be more for takeoff and climb performance than for speed, but
the
> article is very enlightening and makes me rethink the engine thing. Also,
> you should read the book "Speed with Economy" by Kent Paser. Great info on
> making your plane fast with minimal power.
> Best regards,
> Cliff
> Erie, CO
> RV9A, rubber band powered at the moment
> Kitfox 5 N88VJ (267 hours)
> Kitfox 5 N90869 (1001 hours)
> Kitfox 5 N518RD (0 hours)sale pending
> (I've really got too many kitfoxes)
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
FCS, will you please tell me the info on your W & B on your 9A powered by
the "E" engine..
Also the performance at 8,000 feet at 75 % power to include fuel burn.
Thanks
Alien First Class Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: <fcs@jlc.net>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "fcs@jlc.net" <fcs@jlc.net>
>
>
> I dunno,,, my RV-9E is fast and so quiet it's spooky.
> Might be an interesting vehicle to fly around Roswell
> particularly if you paint it florescent green.
>
> I agree with Richard. Tune into the newsgroup if you
> want loads of detail.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
John, I think you have something there. Bigger is not always better.
"lighter is always better".
My concern is the extra weight of the subie "E" engine. So far all we
have are comments but no W & B or performance figures.
Come on guys, fess up on your heavy or light birds!
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
>
> I seem to have read some place that installing the 0360 in the RV9 results
> in very negligible climb performance differences as weight goes up, and GC
> is effected.
>
> Biggest increase they got was Fuel Consumption!!
>
> John Oliveira
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> To: <rv9-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: Weight an Balance/ Engine Choice
>
>
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> > Vic,
> > I plan to use a BIG rubber band in mine, a little bigger than the one in
> the
> > kitfox. ;-)
> > How far along are you? Did you buy a partially completed kit? Patti and
I
> > have a found partner for our 9A, still in the talking stage and we're
> > ironing out the details. Anyway, looks like the RV project may get
> > resurrected from its hibernation; 2.5 years now. Trying to get the
> basement
> > organized and setup as a shop. Installed heaters in the hangar last
week,
> > making progress...
> >
> > I still see you posting on the Kitfox list occasionally, hard to let go,
> > isn't it ;-)
> > Did you see the article in the most recent Kitplanes magazine about the
> > Mustang II and his speed mods? I was originally thinking of putting an
> 0-360
> > in our RV because of the high elevation airports here in Colorado. Of
> course
> > that would be more for takeoff and climb performance than for speed, but
> the
> > article is very enlightening and makes me rethink the engine thing.
Also,
> > you should read the book "Speed with Economy" by Kent Paser. Great info
on
> > making your plane fast with minimal power.
> > Best regards,
> > Cliff
> > Erie, CO
> > RV9A, rubber band powered at the moment
> > Kitfox 5 N88VJ (267 hours)
> > Kitfox 5 N90869 (1001 hours)
> > Kitfox 5 N518RD (0 hours)sale pending
> > (I've really got too many kitfoxes)
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
Although this is not exactly the way I did mine, let me make this
suggestion.
You need to have both wings on to set the sweep and to make sure that they
are square to the fuse. At the same time you can set the incidence and
drill the bolt hole where the rear spar attaches to the F705 frame. The
wings don't have to be permanently mounted for this-just in their proper
position. In my case, I used regular bolts instead of the close tolerance
bolts you will use to permanently attach the wings and after setting sweep
and incidence drilled a #30 pilot hole through the rear spar/fuse attach
point. The plan was to double check it when the wings were permanently
attached and drill out the pilot hole to accommodate the bolt. Cut the fuel
and vent lines to required length, drill the pilot holes to match the belly
skin to the lower wing skin, drill the bracket attaching the fuel tank to
the fuse, and then remove the wings and go back to building in cramped
quarters.
Albert Gardner
RV-9A 872RV
Yuma, AZ
----- Original Message -----
> Hello all list readers... I am at the point in my construction where I
> should be mounting the wings to set the angle of incidence, etc.
> Unfortunately my fuse is being built in a very small basement and is very
> hard to remove. What I would like to do is complete the fuse in the
> basement, remove it and then mount the wings. Has anyone done this?
Looking
> for advice from someone who has gone this route and any problems they
might
> have run into. The biggest problem seems to be setting up the fuel line
and
> electrical routing.
> Thanks for the help.
> Bryan
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary Crowder" <rv9@3rivers.net>
Bryan...... I think what you are asking is, do you need to fit the wings now,
and remove them before you finish the plane.
I built the plane and never fitted the wings untill final assembly at the airport.
You will have to slide them in and out a couple of times to fit the fuel
lines and do the nutplates on the belly skin/wing root fairing. But there is
no reason to haul your fuselage out of the basement to do it now. Unless of
course you want to be sure it will COME out of the basement without foundation
work! You know the old stories.
In fact, there once was a short film by the EAA called "How Are You Going to Get
it Out of the Basement." A true story of someone who had to excavate an entire
foundation wall to extricate their plane. I hope you don't end up that way!
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
To: rv9-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: RV9-List:
--> RV9-List message posted by: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
Hello all list readers... I am at the point in my construction where I
should be mounting the wings to set the angle of incidence, etc.
Unfortunately my fuse is being built in a very small basement and is very
hard to remove. What I would like to do is complete the fuse in the
basement, remove it and then mount the wings. Has anyone done this? Looking
for advice from someone who has gone this route and any problems they might
have run into. The biggest problem seems to be setting up the fuel line and
electrical routing.
Thanks for the help.
Bryan
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Bryan
Just make sure that you have correct spacing between the front and rear
sections of the center section spar as you are riveting them in place.
There was a recent post about a builder using wood spacers and clamping them
too tight. End result was having to drill out the skin rivets and open the
gap slightly to allow the wing spar stub to enter. Happy building.
Dean
RV-9A Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Crowder" <rv9@3rivers.net>
Subject: Re: RV9-List:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Gary Crowder" <rv9@3rivers.net>
>
> Bryan...... I think what you are asking is, do you need to fit the wings
now, and remove them before you finish the plane.
>
> I built the plane and never fitted the wings untill final assembly at the
airport. You will have to slide them in and out a couple of times to fit
the fuel lines and do the nutplates on the belly skin/wing root fairing.
But there is no reason to haul your fuselage out of the basement to do it
now. Unless of course you want to be sure it will COME out of the basement
without foundation work! You know the old stories.
>
> In fact, there once was a short film by the EAA called "How Are You Going
to Get it Out of the Basement." A true story of someone who had to excavate
an entire foundation wall to extricate their plane. I hope you don't end up
that way!
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:37 AM
> Subject: RV9-List:
>
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: BFlood@Sauer-Danfoss.com
>
>
> Hello all list readers... I am at the point in my construction where I
> should be mounting the wings to set the angle of incidence, etc.
> Unfortunately my fuse is being built in a very small basement and is
very
> hard to remove. What I would like to do is complete the fuse in the
> basement, remove it and then mount the wings. Has anyone done this?
Looking
> for advice from someone who has gone this route and any problems they
might
> have run into. The biggest problem seems to be setting up the fuel line
and
> electrical routing.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Bryan
>
>
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