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1. 05:15 AM - Tool Bins (Jim Wright)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: RV9-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/12/04 (James Murray)
3. 08:32 AM - Re: new builder (Ken Moak)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: new builder (DThomas773@aol.com)
5. 11:42 AM - Re: new builder (Bill Repucci)
6. 02:22 PM - Re: New builder.... (Pitner, Timothy)
7. 03:07 PM - Help on prep & primers (Jim Buechler)
8. 04:13 PM - Re: Help on prep & primers 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date (Jim Wright)
9. 06:41 PM - Re: Help on prep & primers 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date (Bill Repucci)
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Wright" <jlwright@cox-internet.com>
I bought a couple of plastic organizers from Lowe's that have different size bins.
They work great and I labeled all the bins for the different size rivets.
It sure makes it easy to grab what you need quick. I also use them to hold drill
bits, countersinks, and other small tools. The bigger bins will even hold a
lot of the small aluminum componants. They are about 18 inches square and 6 inches
deep.
Jim Wright RV-9 90919
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| Subject: | Re: RV9-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/12/04 |
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To the new builder:
I am now flying - 10.1 hours. It is well worth the
work. 40930 Jim Murray
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> 1. 06:30 AM - new builder (G B)
> 2. 08:25 AM - Re: New builder.... (Albert
> Gardner)
> 3. 01:44 PM - Re: new builder (Richard Scott)
> 4. 05:56 PM - Re: new builder (John Oliveira)
> 5. 06:01 PM - Re: new builder
> (Neilekins@aol.com)
> 6. 07:19 PM - Re: new builder
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> 7. 10:55 PM - Re: new builder (Tommy Mead)
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> Time: 06:30:16 AM PST US
> From: G B <microsys@alltel.net>
> Subject: RV9-List: new builder
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> --> RV9-List message posted by: G B
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> Hello,
>
> My $0.02 worth.
>
> Write the rivet numbers on the bag with a sharpie in
> 1/2" or higher
> numbers. You will appreciate it later (470-4-4)!
>
> Don't do what I did: the shim for the rib for the
> horizontal stabilizer
> was in one of the bags. I cut it from the other
> strip
> stock that was supposed to be used for fiberglass
> tip on the rudder.
>
> Get help from a fellow RV builder, at least at
> first. This helped me
> tremendously!
>
> Read all the plans steps two or three times before
> doing the step. The
> order in which things need to be done
> is that way for a reason (not to close up an
> assembly before it is
> absolutely necessary).
>
> My emp is nearly done, and the wings are due to be
> shipped in late June.
>
> Glen Bankston
> Moultrie, GA
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> Time: 08:25:12 AM PST US
> From: "Albert Gardner" <spudnut@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: New builder....
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> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
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> Chuck, if there is an EAA Chapter close by give them
> a visit. I spent a few
> dollars on donuts but in return I got more than
> enough support to complete
> my 9A and made some very good friends to boot.
> Albert Gardner
> RV-9A 872RV
> Yuma, AZ
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> Time: 01:44:42 PM PST US
> From: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: new builder
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> One more thing:
>
> Join or start a builder's group. You can do this at
> your local EAA chapter
> or on your own by finding out from Van's the names
> of builders in your
> area, call them up and organize a visit to someone's
> project.
>
> Our meetings were inspired by the Home Wing
> meetings, but we wanted a
> smaller group.
>
> We like a small group, less than a dozen folks. We
> get together at 7 and
> spend some time looking over the project in an
> informal manner for awhile
> as there are always latecomers. Then the host talks
> a little about the
> project, the problems he had and the solutions he
> found. We try to have a
> tech counselor or an A&P there to demonstrate some
> how to do something,
> such as shaving a rivet or dimpling a spot in a
> tight space, as was covered
> in a recent RVator. There is usually a tool
> discussion covering things
> like neat tools someone has found or good buys. The
> tech counselor
> documents the visit which is supposed to help down
> the road, but I am not
> far enough along to know how, yet. We have a good
> time, solve some
> problems and these get togethers are informative and
> motivational. Last
> time we had to kick people out at 9.
>
> Note for chapter members: These builder's groups
> can be a good chapter
> recruiting tool. Invite non-member builders to the
> group, then invite them
> to the chapter. Usually, they join.
>
> Richard Scott
> 9 Emp
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> Time: 05:56:15 PM PST US
> From: "John Oliveira" <oliveira@frontiernet.net>
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ken Moak" <airplanestuff@sbcglobal.net>
I could not be happier with Avery Tools http://www.averytools.com I have
purchased some from Cleveland. http://www.cleavelandtool.com and they seemed
to be good people also. Neither are cheap, but good quality tools aren't If
you need some odd tool and accuracy is not an issue (plastic mallet, small
files etc) Harbor Freight, if accuracy is important go somewhere else (ie
their drill bits will make a hole, how big????) Plastic bins Lowe's, Home
Depot etc.
Ken Moak
Wings 90509
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--> RV9-List message posted by: Neilekins@aol.com
Where is the best place to buy tools?
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--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Snap On? Snap On tools are the Cadillac of tools but are very pricey.
Generally tools of this quality are used by professionals that use them every day
and like the convenience of a driver that calls on them weekly.
I don't buy much from Sears, but I think their basic hand tools, wrenches,
screw drivers, sockets sets, etc., are very good quality and reasonable. They
also are life time, no quibble, guaranteed.
Dennis Thomas
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
One other supplier that I like is Wholesale Tools:
http://www.wttool.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
They are good for inexpensive tools (they also have name brand tools)
and supplies such as 3M deburring wheels, sand paper, storage bins,
castering wheels, dust masks, etc. They also carry the drop forged eye
bolts Van's recommends for tie down rings (Less than $2 each) and a tube
drilling jig (v-block) at a reasonable price.
CENTER IT - Tube Drilling Jig $14.95
http://wttool.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1290-0
200&Category_Code
Eye bolts $1.68 (I think this is the right size)
http://wttool.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=4026-0
010&Category_Code
Bill R.
RV-9
SN: 90737
Ailerons
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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Subject: Re: RV9-List: new builder
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Snap On? Snap On tools are the Cadillac of tools but are very pricey.
Generally tools of this quality are used by professionals that use them
every day
and like the convenience of a driver that calls on them weekly. I don't
buy much from Sears, but I think their basic hand tools, wrenches,
screw drivers, sockets sets, etc., are very good quality and reasonable.
They
also are life time, no quibble, guaranteed.
Dennis Thomas
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Pitner, Timothy" <TPitner@flowcorp.com>
Forget the wedding or you will never get this thing done...
TIM PITNER
Technical Service
Flow International Corporation | www.flowcorp.com
23500 64th Ave. S. | Kent, WA 98032 | USA
tel: 253.813.3318 | fax: 253.813.3282 | tpitner@flowcorp.com
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From: copperhead [mailto:copperhead@tcmax.net]
Subject: RV9-List: New builder....
--> RV9-List message posted by: "copperhead" <copperhead@tcmax.net>
Well after much lurking, visiting different projects, and encouragement from
other RV builders (such as Rick in Nevada), I have stepped off into the deep
water. It took several visits out to the college to participate in numerous
experiments and selling vast quantities of various body fluids, but I
finally got the money and I am now the proud owner of an -9 empennage and
complete tool kit. After looking over the plans, I must say I am excitedly
scared at the prospect of building this machine. This is gonna be GREAT!
I anticipate ordering the wing kit by the end of the summer as I have a few
other projects to complete first (including a wedding), plus my back just
wouldn't hold up to the late night dancing at the club which threw my
finances a little off. The paper route is going well though, plus the whole
lottery thing each week, so hopefully I should be back on top by then.
I am located in Southeast Missouri and looking to hook up with a tech
counselor as I want it done the best I can possibly make it. I have
received a contact list from EAA which I plan on utilizing, unless someone
wants to step forward or has a better idea. I would also like to co-mingle
with other builders in the area.
One of the final decisions on this particular project was the RV family.
Each person seems genuinely concerned about every aspect of this hobby and
goes out of their way to show it. I have been greatly impressed with the
overall attitude of RVer's which made me want to be a part. Thanks for the
opportunity to participate with such a distinquished group.
BTW, I have an extra set of preview plans for sale (its a long, sad story).
I would consider a trade for a wing kit or maybe a set of those nomex
shorts.
Chuck in Missouri #90662
99.9% to go (still trying to get the box opened)
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| Subject: | Help on prep & primers |
1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> RV9-List message posted by: Jim Buechler <jkb1@voicenet.com>
I just purchased the empanage kit while down at Sun N Fun and am now
ready to start construction. Got to test fly a 9 while down there
also. Very nice. My question is what exactly do you need to do before
applying primer paint, where to buy it, what kind of primer paint, etc.
Any help is appreciated. There is a lot of info from various web sites,
but nothing consistent. Is all you have to do is scotch brite, then
primer? Or do you need to prep the metal with something, then alodine,
then primer. Or is a self etching primer sufficient? By the way, in
following other threads, I bought my tools from Cleveland Tools while at
Sun N Fun. They have a great tool set. I don't think you will find a
better rivet squeezer.
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| Subject: | Re: Help on prep & primers 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 |
Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Wright" <jlwright@cox-internet.com>
I used Sherwin Williams wash primer as does Van's on their quick build kits.
I washed everuthing with hot soapy water using a scotchbrite pad to scrub
the surfaces. After everything is dry I wiped the parts down with acetone
and then sprayed the primer. If done right the primer will be transparent
which is good so you can see the the identifying markings. The primer seems
to stick like crazy. Even duct tape left on overnight won't pull the paint
off. BTW, this process is for internal surfaces only and not the exterior. I
will use PPG epoxy primer for that.
I hope this helps. There are lots of different ways to accomplish the same
thing.
Jim
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From: "Jim Buechler" <jkb1@voicenet.com>
Subject: RV9-List: Help on prep & primers 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is
3 to 6 hours after Received: date
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Jim Buechler <jkb1@voicenet.com>
>
> I just purchased the empanage kit while down at Sun N Fun and am now
> ready to start construction. Got to test fly a 9 while down there
> also. Very nice. My question is what exactly do you need to do before
> applying primer paint, where to buy it, what kind of primer paint, etc.
> Any help is appreciated. There is a lot of info from various web sites,
> but nothing consistent. Is all you have to do is scotch brite, then
> primer? Or do you need to prep the metal with something, then alodine,
> then primer. Or is a self etching primer sufficient? By the way, in
> following other threads, I bought my tools from Cleveland Tools while at
> Sun N Fun. They have a great tool set. I don't think you will find a
> better rivet squeezer.
>
>
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| Subject: | Help on prep & primers 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 |
Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Jim,
Congrats on the purchase!
Priming is a hotly debated subject with all the RV builders. Van's has
stated that you don't need to prim the skins, only select parts;
however, I went overboard according to our local EAA chapter but I hope
to put my RV-9 on floats some day so I think it is worth the effort.
The following is what I do and is not a recommendation, just one guy's
process.
1st. Scotch bright
2nd. Alumni-prep
3rd. Wash it off
4th. Alodine
5th. Wash it off
6th. Let it dry (blowing it off or putting a fan on it helps)
7th. Go to bed
8th. Get up in the morning and paint the parts with SEP brand gray
primer for aluminum. (SEP = Self Etching primer) The stuff comes in a
spray can, holds up to the duct tape test, works great, can be found at
an automotive supply store, there is no paint gun to clean and it dries
in 15 minutes.
9th. Take a shower, eat breakfast, and go to work. Well I used to go to
work until the company made another 25% cut last month. Now I spend my
days looking for work.
Good luck and happy riveting.
Regarding the comment Tim said to Copperhead about not getting married.
My Fiance is my riveting partner. Heck, she even got upset when I told
her I was going to have a friend come over to help rivet the 2nd wing.
This is the same woman who, on one of our first dates helped me bolt a
new roll bar in the Miata I race. I couldn't do this without her and
wouldn't want to. Hey, even her father came over for a three day
weekend to help rivet.
Bill R.
RV-9
SN: 90737
Ailerons (The fuselage will have to wait until I'm employed again.)
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--> RV9-List message posted by: Jim Buechler <jkb1@voicenet.com>
I just purchased the empanage kit while down at Sun N Fun and am now
ready to start construction. Got to test fly a 9 while down there
also. Very nice. My question is what exactly do you need to do before
applying primer paint, where to buy it, what kind of primer paint, etc.
Any help is appreciated. There is a lot of info from various web sites,
but nothing consistent. Is all you have to do is scotch brite, then
primer? Or do you need to prep the metal with something, then alodine,
then primer. Or is a self etching primer sufficient? By the way, in
following other threads, I bought my tools from Cleveland Tools while at
Sun N Fun. They have a great tool set. I don't think you will find a
better rivet squeezer.
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