---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/01/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:40 AM - Rivet Sets (D, C, Jones) 2. 09:47 AM - Re: Rivet Sets (DThomas773@aol.com) 3. 10:03 AM - rivet set (GB) 4. 10:13 AM - Re: rivet set (DThomas773@aol.com) 5. 10:37 AM - Re: Rivet Sets (Paul Eastham) 6. 10:40 AM - Re: rivet set (Michael Schipper) 7. 10:53 AM - Re: rivet set (Dave Nicholson) 8. 10:54 AM - Re:EFIS (Neilekins@aol.com) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: rivet set (Richard Tasker) 10. 02:12 PM - Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. (Steve Sampson) 11. 03:17 PM - Re: Rivet Sets (Roger Evenson) 12. 05:21 PM - Re: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. (Dale Larsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:40 AM PST US From: "D, C, Jones" Subject: RV9-List: Rivet Sets --> RV9-List message posted by: "D, C, Jones" Is there any special rivet set required for doing wings and fuselage on RV9A? Does anyone have one for sale? I'm also looking for a straight hand seamer - not off set. Thanks. Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:43 AM PST US From: DThomas773@aol.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: Rivet Sets --> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com To rivet the ribs to the main and rear spars you will need an offset, rivet set. If you have not used an offset before, I would advise you to practise with it before attempting to use it on your airplane. Don't ask me why I say this. They are not expensive. Dennis Thomas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:31 AM PST US From: GB Subject: RV9-List: rivet set --> RV9-List message posted by: GB I have heard that there is a non-standard, deeper set for rivets where you have proseal on them. If true, I would also like to know where to get them, for my wings will be shipped in a few weeks. Glen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:03 AM PST US From: DThomas773@aol.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: rivet set --> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com Hi Glen, You may be thinking of a countersink. The only place I remember setting rivets in proseal are in control surface trailing edges and in the fuel tanks. These are all flush rivets and of course would be driven with a standard flush set. Cleveland Tool Co does sell a counter sink cutter just for these rivets. It cuts just a bit larger countersink to allow for the thickness of the proseal. I did not buy this cutter until after I started my first tank. I very carefully countersunk the tank skins to good, dry fit, for the rivets. However after setting the rivets, in proseal, they were all high. At that point there wasn't much I could do but leave them or grind them down. Dennis ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:55 AM PST US From: Paul Eastham Subject: Re: RV9-List: Rivet Sets --> RV9-List message posted by: Paul Eastham You can also use a long set (~12") to get those flanges instead of the offset. I find it a bit more stable and there are no problems with rotation. I also bought a 10-degree angled set for the flap attach brackets. I couldn't get the job done with any of the usual sets. Paul http://hmb.dyndns.org/~eastham/rv On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 12:46:47PM -0400, DThomas773@aol.com wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com > > To rivet the ribs to the main and rear spars you will need an offset, rivet > set. If you have not used an offset before, I would advise you to practise > with it before attempting to use it on your airplane. Don't ask me why I say > this. > They are not expensive. > Dennis Thomas > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:36 AM PST US From: Michael Schipper Subject: Re: RV9-List: rivet set --> RV9-List message posted by: Michael Schipper Glen, You can order these from Cleveland Tools. http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/home.asp I ordered a set just last week, so I can't say how they work, but they apparently do what they are supposed to do. Here is a link to a review done by Sam Buchanan: http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/tankdies.html Have Fun! Mike Schipper -9A Wings http://www.my9a.com On Jun 1, 2004, at 12:02 PM, GB wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: GB > > I have heard that there is a non-standard, deeper set for rivets where > you have proseal on them. > If true, I would also like to know where to get them, for my wings will > be shipped in a few weeks. > > Glen > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:28 AM PST US From: "Dave Nicholson" Subject: Re: RV9-List: rivet set --> RV9-List message posted by: "Dave Nicholson" Cleveland Aircraft Tool (Boone Iowa, www.clevelandtool.com) sells Tank Dies (DIE426-3T) that are a little deeper than the standard dies. This provides room for the proseal. I also used them on the inner layers when ever I was stacking three or more layers of metal together as this provided a little more for seating. Dave Nicholson ----- Original Message ----- From: "GB" Subject: RV9-List: rivet set > --> RV9-List message posted by: GB > > I have heard that there is a non-standard, deeper set for rivets where > you have proseal on them. > If true, I would also like to know where to get them, for my wings will > be shipped in a few weeks. > > Glen > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:33 AM PST US From: Neilekins@aol.com Subject: RV9-List: Re:EFIS --> RV9-List message posted by: Neilekins@aol.com Any one out there useing a Chelton EFIS ? Or any EFIS....Neil ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:13 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV9-List: rivet set --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Tasker Actually you are both either thinking of the wrong thing or using the wrong words. What Cleaveland Tool (note correct spelling) sells is dimple dies for the fuel tank. These are a little larger than the standard dies to allow for the proseal under the heads of the rivets when you assemble the tanks. You can also use these dies to dimple the bottom parts when you are connecting two (or more) dimpled parts together to give a little better fit between the top and bottom parts. Regarding the fuel tank, if you do not want to buy the tank dimple dies, you can also use the standard dimple die and then do a bit of countersinking to the skin dimples so the rivet fits a little below the surface (about 0.007" without the proseal). Then when you do the final assembly with the proseal, the rivet heads will be flush with the skin like those on other parts of the plane. Dick Tasker, 90573 Fuselage & finishing DThomas773@aol.com wrote: >--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com > >Hi Glen, >You may be thinking of a countersink. The only place I remember setting >rivets in proseal are in control surface trailing edges and in the fuel tanks. >These are all flush rivets and of course would be driven with a standard flush >set. Cleveland Tool Co does sell a counter sink cutter just for these rivets. >It cuts just a bit larger countersink to allow for the thickness of the >proseal. >I did not buy this cutter until after I started my first tank. I very >carefully countersunk the tank skins to good, dry fit, for the rivets. However >after setting the rivets, in proseal, they were all high. At that point there >wasn't much I could do but leave them or grind them down. > >Dennis > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:44 PM PST US From: "Steve Sampson" Subject: RV9-List: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" Has anyone experience of installing the Dynon probe AFTER the bottom skin is on? I would be interested in any views as to how best to solve this problem. One possibility is to install it on the inspection hatch but I am not too keen on that since I worry opening the hatch will upset the pipework. Thanks Steve. --- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:12 PM PST US From: "Roger Evenson" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Rivet Sets --> RV9-List message posted by: "Roger Evenson" A long (12" or so) back rivet set for the top skins works well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D, C, Jones" Subject: RV9-List: Rivet Sets > --> RV9-List message posted by: "D, C, Jones" > > Is there any special rivet set required for doing wings and fuselage on RV9A? > Does anyone have one for sale? I'm also looking for a straight hand seamer - not off set. > > Thanks. > Cliff > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:38 PM PST US From: "Dale Larsen" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. --> RV9-List message posted by: "Dale Larsen" Steve, It's not a problem. You will want to put it in the same bay as the vans probe, as there is an access plate there. Don't put it on the inspection plate, put it on the rib on either side. It needs to go next to a rib, on the forward side of the spar. You will need to drill out a few rivets in the rib to install it, and plug the hole you drilled for the vans tube. Takes about two hours. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sampson" Subject: RV9-List: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" > > Has anyone experience of installing the Dynon probe AFTER the bottom skin is > on? I would be interested in any views as to how best to solve this problem. > One possibility is to install it on the inspection hatch but I am not too > keen on that since I worry opening the hatch will upset the pipework. > > Thanks Steve. > > > --- > >