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1. 12:06 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. (Leland)
3. 09:10 AM - Re: rivet set (Terry Hobert)
4. 02:13 PM - Re: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. (Steve Sampson)
5. 02:13 PM - Re: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. (Steve Sampson)
6. 03:35 PM - For Sale: Avery RV Tools with Pneumatic Squeezer (Liz Taylor)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> RV9-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV9-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV9-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV9-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV9-List Usage Guidelines
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, take a look at http://www.rv8.ch/ which shows the Dynon probe
being installed in a Gretz mount in a wing access panel.
Leland
Received the Gretz mount but waiting for a heated Dynon probe to ship
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Terry Hobert" <terhobey@hotmail.com>
I will probably get a flurry of admonishment for this, but let me tell you
my story.
Luckly there are a ton of guyts building RVs in my EAA chapter 326.
Visiting their projects I learned of how on the fuel tanks the flush rivets
would set proud. Especially on the line of the rear baffles.
Anyway, I dimpled all of mine with the regular dimple dies, I didn't
purchase the "Special Fuel Tank Dies". What I did do however was to test
fit dry and then use my hand deburring tool (which is basically a
countersink bit) and take out a little material until the rivets set a tad
below the skin, dry!
Most all of my rivets came out flush with the skin and the very few that
were just a bit high I was able to take down even with just a little bit of
sanding. The tanks came out really nice and believe me, I used a Bunch of
ProSeal! This was my first time building fuel tanks also, So I was quite
happy.
You know it is always best to buy Good tools and the Right tools, but
sometimes not every special tool is absolutely required.
Terry Hobert RV 9A fuselage, ready for finish kit.
>From: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>Reply-To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV9-List: rivet set
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:15:10 -0400
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>--> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
>Actually you are both either thinking of the wrong thing or using the
>wrong words.
>
>What Cleaveland Tool (note correct spelling) sells is dimple dies for
>the fuel tank. These are a little larger than the standard dies to
>allow for the proseal under the heads of the rivets when you assemble
>the tanks.
>
>You can also use these dies to dimple the bottom parts when you are
>connecting two (or more) dimpled parts together to give a little better
>fit between the top and bottom parts.
>
>Regarding the fuel tank, if you do not want to buy the tank dimple dies,
>you can also use the standard dimple die and then do a bit of
>countersinking to the skin dimples so the rivet fits a little below the
>surface (about 0.007" without the proseal). Then when you do the final
>assembly with the proseal, the rivet heads will be flush with the skin
>like those on other parts of the plane.
>
>Dick Tasker, 90573 Fuselage & finishing
>
>DThomas773@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
> >
> >Hi Glen,
> >You may be thinking of a countersink. The only place I remember setting
> >rivets in proseal are in control surface trailing edges and in the fuel
>tanks.
> >These are all flush rivets and of course would be driven with a standard
>flush
> >set. Cleveland Tool Co does sell a counter sink cutter just for these
>rivets.
> >It cuts just a bit larger countersink to allow for the thickness of the
> >proseal.
> >I did not buy this cutter until after I started my first tank. I very
> >carefully countersunk the tank skins to good, dry fit, for the rivets.
>However
> >after setting the rivets, in proseal, they were all high. At that point
>there
> >wasn't much I could do but leave them or grind them down.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Dale / Leland - thanks. You are both encouraging! I will take a good look
tomorrow. Steve.
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| Subject: | Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing anyone. |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Leland - is the link address correct? I cant make it work. Thanks, Steve.
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[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Leland
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Dynon probe installation with a 'closed' wing
anyone.
--> RV9-List message posted by: Leland <Federigo@pacbell.net>
Steve, take a look at http://www.rv8.ch/ which shows the Dynon probe
being installed in a Gretz mount in a wing access panel.
Leland
Received the Gretz mount but waiting for a heated Dynon probe to ship
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| Subject: | For Sale: Avery RV Tools with Pneumatic Squeezer |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Liz Taylor <n7011n@yahoo.com>
After deciding not to continue building my RV7 past
the empenage stage, I'm parting with my set of Avery
Tools. Attached is a .pdf Acrobat file containing
shots of my complete RV7 tool set I'm selling along
with images of the original invoice from Avery Tools.
Several items were added after the original purchase
and are not reflected in the original invoice. These
items are listed below:
-Precision Instruments 1/4" Drive Dial-Type Torque
Wrench with Memory, 0-75 lb.in (I discovered that the
cheap torque wrench I had purchased was not accurate
enough for aircraft construction. After twisting the
head off a bolt that was spec'd for only 24 inch/lbs,
I bought the best I could find. This lists for $199
online.
-Adjustable Rivet Cutter
-Quick change pins for the pneumatic squeezer (a great
addition since you'll frequently change the yokes)
-2nd cleco wrench
-Boelube-tube
These items roughly add up to an additional $250 over
the invoice price shown below of $2,422.
2 items that show up on the original invoice are not
included. These are a 24" metal ruler and the S/B
cutting and polishing wheel. I believe I have used up
1 or 2 of the cobalt bits. These are about a buck
apiece depending on the bit.
All of the tools are in like new shape as I only used
them on the tail kit for an RV7 with the drill bits
and countersink bits like new. Avery tools are great
quality. The pneumatic squeezer and 3 yokes with
adjustable set holder are not included in the basic
Avery Tools RV7 kit (good to know if you are trying to
compare my price with Avery's current pricing). Also
upgraded from the basic kit is the digital angle
finder, heavy duty ball bearing microstop countersink
cutter and metal micrometer. There may be others that
I'm forgetting. I just checked their website and it
looks like their prices have gone up since I purchased
these. To replace everything today would likely top
$3,000 for all the items I've listed here. I'd be
willing to part with everything for $2,100 (the items
I'm selling cost me $2,600 roughly). The buyer will
need to pay for shipping of their choice. I will also
require payment via cashier's check made out to my
name. If I can answer any questions, please call me at
312.943.5529 ext:14 during the day or e-mail me at richard@taylorbruce.com.
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