Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:00 AM - Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners (Bryan Flood)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: Rudder wiring question (Sargentclt@cs.com)
3. 08:16 AM - wing tip trailing edge alignment (Jib Ray)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners (Dale Larsen)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners (DThomas773@aol.com)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: Both Tanks & Dzus fasteners (Stein Bruch)
7. 10:10 AM - Re: Fuel valve (Steve Sampson)
8. 10:36 AM - Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment (Harold Kovac)
9. 11:35 AM - Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment (Jib Ray)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment (Harold Kovac)
11. 12:25 PM - Re: Still on List (Terry Hobert)
12. 01:32 PM - Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment (Clay R)
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| Subject: | Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Bryan Flood" <bryanflood@hotmail.com>
Two questions:
1. Has anyone figured out a way to have a "both" setting on an RV fuel
valve? Say 2 fuel pumps or somehting, with pressure sensors? I'm sure
someone has a "both" set-up???
2. Could someone point me to a website with a good decription of attaching
an RV cowling with something easier than a piano hinge. I have heard many
use Dauz fasteners (sp?)?
Thanks,
Bryan
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| Subject: | Rudder wiring question |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
Bob I just asked Van's guys about this same point. Their suggestion is to drill
a small through the bulkheads and place a plastic grommet in the hole. My thought
was to heat shrink tubing protect them and rout them through the small
holes that exist. Their answer is better, safer and done. A 1/4 inch grommet
hole should do.
Tad. 7A
"Bob Smith" <rvator@lindonnet.com> wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Smith" <rvator@lindonnet.com>
>
>
>For those of you who elected to put a marker light/strobe on the rudder
>(mounted in the lower fiberglass faring), how did you run the wire? Seems
>that getting the wire out of the fuselage and into the rudder, including the
>necessary flexing, is a bit of a problem. I want to avoid having it chafe
>or break from flexing.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob Smith
>
>
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| Subject: | wing tip trailing edge alignment |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Jib Ray <jib@interwoof.com>
The trailing edges of my wing tips are about .3 inches lower then the
trailing edges of the ailerons. I adjusted the aileron positions using the
fixture that uses the key tooling holes in the outer wing rib. The ailerons
align okay with the flaps in their full up position.
Has anyone else encountered this?
Jib Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Dale Larsen" <slickrock@been-there.com>
> Two questions:
>
> 1. Has anyone figured out a way to have a "both" setting on an RV fuel
> valve? Say 2 fuel pumps or somehting, with pressure sensors? I'm sure
> someone has a "both" set-up???
In a low wing airplane, you would not want a 'both' position. The reason
for this is that the fuel will tend to pump from the path of least
resistance, which may be an empty tank!
> 2. Could someone point me to a website with a good decription of attaching
> an RV cowling with something easier than a piano hinge. I have heard many
> use Dauz fasteners (sp?)?
Dzus fasteners work great but are expensive and are visible, where the piano
hinge is invisible, cheap and simple.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners |
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Bryan,
Don't be too quick to switch from piano hinge. They do a good job of
spreading the stress on the fiberglass edge of your cowling. Va'n's does not
reccomend Dauz fasteners and some folks who did it anyway have had trouble with
causing cracks.
The piano hinge is not really all that difficult and provides a nice fit.
Dennis Thomas
RV-9, N164DV
87.2 hours and loving it
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| Subject: | Both Tanks & Dzus fasteners |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hmmmm......I'm not totally sure I agree with that. Couple of things:
1) The "Dauz" Fasteners mentioned are "Dzus" fastners, and not normally used
on cowls. They are little fastners that hook over a springy pice of wire
and are generally used on things like belly skins of Husky's, Scout's, etc..
2) The fasteners used for the RV cowls are the Skybolt fasteners
(http://www.skybolt.com). They are specially made fasteners for cowls,
being adjustable camlock type fasteners, but superior in a few ways.
3) I'm unaware of anyone who used the skybolt fasteners having cracking
problems, but I am aware of LOTS of piano hing installations having craking
after a couple hundred hours. There are a lot of RV's with craked eyes on
the piano hinges.
4) Yes, the piano hinges work fine, but the folded hinges are prone to
cracking, which is why a number of people buy the higher dollar extruded
hinge to begin with. The fast glass guys often use extruded carbon fiber
hinges to alleviate the cracking problems of the old folded hinges.
Now, like a lot of things one method seems to work fine and is quite
attractive (hinges). That being said, and coming from someone who actually
has one of each flying - 1 RV with hinges and 1 RV with the skybolt
fasteners, and like nearly 100% of everyone I've spoken with in similar
situations (those that have actually used both), I'll never go back to
hinges again. There are a couple areas where the hinges are just so far
superior that it isn't really even debatable, but here's where the skybolt
fasteners are a life saver. First, around the upper firewall curves - NO
more scratched, burned hands, no more cussing, swearing, etc.. Second, at
the bottom of the firewall/cowl - No more burnt wrists trying to get the
pins out along side the hot exhaust.
There are a number of people who just buy the skybolt fasteners for the
firewall (as that is where the majority of the hinges cracked) and still use
the hinges for the cowl sides. I think that would still be just fine.
In the end, I can whip the skybolt cowl on and off in literally a minute or
two with no fuss, mess, or anything. It's like a lot of things, you like
something just fine until you actually try the other, then you'll never go
back. They skybolt stuff is pricey, but well worth it. I'm guessing the
cracking stories are referring to the hinges, not the skybolts. Take a look
at the archives and you'll find a TON of incidents from cracked hinge eyes,
and lot's of good feedback on the skybolt fasteners. No comparision between
the two!
Anyway, I'm in no way associated with the Skybolt company, just someone who
is flying with one of each and would rather use the skybolt fasteners any
day, hands down!
BTW, I called a couple guys at Van's today just to see if they were against
the skybolt fasteners, and actually the only negative I heard was the price!
Regarding Dzus fasteners, of course they wouldn't recommend them, in a cowl
application they would not work well. Any fastener you use on the cowl of
that type needs to be depth adjustable and standard camlock/southco/dzus
fasteners are not.
Just my 2 cents!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DThomas773@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV9-List: Both Tanks & Dauz fasteners
--> RV9-List message posted by: DThomas773@aol.com
Bryan,
Don't be too quick to switch from piano hinge. They do a good job of
spreading the stress on the fiberglass edge of your cowling. Va'n's does
not
reccomend Dauz fasteners and some folks who did it anyway have had trouble
with
causing cracks.
The piano hinge is not really all that difficult and provides a nice fit.
Dennis Thomas
RV-9, N164DV
87.2 hours and loving it
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--> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Ross/ Konrad - thanks, Steve.
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| Subject: | Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
Hi,
I did encounter this, I slit the wingtip TE and part way up the
outside...maybe about 1/3 from the TE, then epoxy/floxed the TE and laid up
FG cloth on the inside of the slit in the 1/3 part of the tip...it
worked...just a lot of extra work and sanding/filling.
Harold Kovac, filling the rivet dimples on both wings, then the Fuse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jib Ray" <jib@interwoof.com>
Subject: RV9-List: wing tip trailing edge alignment
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Jib Ray <jib@interwoof.com>
>
> The trailing edges of my wing tips are about .3 inches lower then the
> trailing edges of the ailerons. I adjusted the aileron positions using the
> fixture that uses the key tooling holes in the outer wing rib. The
ailerons
> align okay with the flaps in their full up position.
>
> Has anyone else encountered this?
>
> Jib Ray
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Jib Ray <jib@interwoof.com>
Slitting the edges sounds like a good way to make the adjustment. I have
considered flying it before making any changes.
Jib Ray
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| Subject: | Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
I riveted the wingtip on and made an access panel on the lower
forward third of the tip...used nutplates & screws , opening 4 x 7 & 12
fasteners. I can get in past my elbow and reach anything i need to access.
Harold----- Original Message -----
From: "Jib Ray" <jib@interwoof.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: wing tip trailing edge alignment
> --> RV9-List message posted by: Jib Ray <jib@interwoof.com>
>
> Slitting the edges sounds like a good way to make the adjustment. I have
> considered flying it before making any changes.
>
> Jib Ray
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Still on List |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Terry Hobert" <terhobey@hotmail.com>
Thanks Andy, Glad to know I'm still connected. I see there was still fuel
in his left tank? He didn't switch tanks when the engine started rumbling?
I suppose we all need re-current emergency procedure training so it becomes
second nature. Then in the process of landing maybe not enough time?
I guess it is easy to say to fill your tanks before flight each time, but
circumstances can always creep in.
Thanks again,
Terry 9A fuselage
>From: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
>Reply-To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV9-List: Still on List
>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:16:46 -0700
>
>--> RV9-List message posted by: Andy Karmy <andy@karmy.com>
>
>No, we are here, It's just quiet now... I was just sitting here
>thinking about the RV9 accident at Westport, and how that must really
>suck!
>
>You would think that 28 gallons would get you from Eugene to Westport,
>however in this case it didn't (or wasn't there in the first place).
>This is the second 9A that we have lost due to fuel management, let's
>all be careful out there!
>
>- Andy Karmy
> RV9A - 250hrsTT!
> andy@karmy.com
>
>On Aug 17, 2004, at 11:49 AM, Terry Hobert wrote:
>
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Terry Hobert" <terhobey@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I haven't recieved any RV9 mail in days. Just quiet or did I get
> > disconnected?
> >
> > Terry Hobert RV9A Fuselage/finish kit
>
>
hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: wing tip trailing edge alignment |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Clay R <clayr_55@yahoo.com>
I had to do the same thing on my left wingtip. Slice,
drill out and make a new tip rib, and reinstall
everything.
I think the secret to getting this right is to first
use the aileron jig to position the aileron in trail
and figure out a way to hold it perfectly in position.
Then, start to fit the wing tip and drill the
attachment holes while holding the TE of the tip
inline with the aileron. The challenge is to
clamp/hold the wing tip rib in position and drill it
with the aileron in place.
-Clay
PS.. DO NOT make a Both position on the fuel valve. A
leaky cap and full fuel on one side can suck the
opposite tank dry in nothing flat.
--- Harold Kovac <kayce@sysmatrix.net> wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac"
> <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
>
> Hi,
> I did encounter this, I slit the wingtip TE and part
> way up the
> outside...maybe about 1/3 from the TE, then
> epoxy/floxed the TE and laid up
> FG cloth on the inside of the slit in the 1/3 part
> of the tip...it
> worked...just a lot of extra work and
> sanding/filling.
> Harold Kovac, filling the rivet dimples on both
> wings, then the Fuse
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jib Ray" <jib@interwoof.com>
> To: <rv9-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV9-List: wing tip trailing edge alignment
>
>
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: Jib Ray
> <jib@interwoof.com>
> >
> > The trailing edges of my wing tips are about .3
> inches lower then the
> > trailing edges of the ailerons. I adjusted the
> aileron positions using the
> > fixture that uses the key tooling holes in the
> outer wing rib. The
> ailerons
> > align okay with the flaps in their full up
> position.
> >
> > Has anyone else encountered this?
> >
> > Jib Ray
> >
> >
>
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