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1. 12:49 PM - Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air (Robert Gresli)
2. 01:24 PM - Re: Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air (Ken Moak)
3. 06:25 PM - Re: Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air (Ralph Cloud)
4. 07:34 PM - Re: Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air (Richard Scott)
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| Subject: | Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Robert Gresli" <FlyRV9A@comcast.net>
RV-9A Group,
I just picked up my Preview Plans and some videos the other day from Van's.
Where can I find information on deciding on a canopy configuration. I'm a long
way from needing to decide, but I'm curious. Slider vs Tip-up.
I've only had one ride in the Van's demo -9A, with the slider. I use to fly a
Grumman AA-5 which also had a sliding canopy. It is very nice on the ground on
hot days. However, the visibility in the tip-up looks incredible.
What are the pros and cons of each?
Also, has anybody on the list gone to the 1-day Synergy Air metalworking class?
I live near Portland, Oregon, so Eugene is not very far.
Has anybody done the 6-day quick-build empenage class at Synergy? Is it worth
the $$$$?
Thanks,
Bob Gresli
Hillsboro OR (HIO)
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| Subject: | Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ken Moak" <airplanestuff@sbcglobal.net>
Bob
First this is just my opinion. I owned a Cheetah and yes the air was nice.
I'm in Texas so I flew with it open a lot. You are not supposed to open the
RV slider in flight so it is a ground option only.
I was sure the slider was the one to build, after sitting in the RV it was
no debate for me. Tip up. I still like the slider but I sit so close to
the top of the canopy the bar was blocking too much of my vision for me to
be comfortable. My demo flight was in a 7 with a tip up and I was very
happy with the visibility. While I have never heard anybody say either is
easy to install I think the tip up is supposed to be easier. Just my 2
cents worth. Lots of happy slider people.
Have no idea on the Synergy course. I did the SportAir workshop and it was
well worth it for me. I had done a little sheet metal work, but it really
helped me.
Ken
Wings 90608
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Subject: RV9-List: Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Robert Gresli" <FlyRV9A@comcast.net>
RV-9A Group,
I just picked up my Preview Plans and some videos the other day from Van's.
Where can I find information on deciding on a canopy configuration. I'm a
long way from needing to decide, but I'm curious. Slider vs Tip-up.
I've only had one ride in the Van's demo -9A, with the slider. I use to fly
a Grumman AA-5 which also had a sliding canopy. It is very nice on the
ground on hot days. However, the visibility in the tip-up looks incredible.
What are the pros and cons of each?
Also, has anybody on the list gone to the 1-day Synergy Air metalworking
class? I live near Portland, Oregon, so Eugene is not very far.
Has anybody done the 6-day quick-build empenage class at Synergy? Is it
worth the $$$$?
Thanks,
Bob Gresli
Hillsboro OR (HIO)
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| Subject: | Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air |
--> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Cloud" <rv9ralph@flash.net>
> Where can I find information on deciding on a canopy
> configuration.
Robert,
From Van's website, the "kit options" page
Sliding Canopy
Models: RV-6/6A, 7/7A, 9A
Not "better" than the standard tip-up, just different. Provides better
ventilation on the ground, and allows the pilot to taxi in with an arm over
the rail, thereby making him (or her) "cooler" in two ways. Not designed to
be opened in flight. Access to instruments and visibility slightly inferior
to standard tip-up. Order with Fuselage Kit and Finishing Kit.
The decision will affect your panel layout (supports behind the panel). If
you have some RV builders in your area, visit their projects and get a good
looksee at the structure and access.
Ralph
RV9A wings (fuse on order w/tipup)
Livermore, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy: Tip-up vs Slider/Synergy Air |
--> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott <rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
Bob,
I did the Synergy Air course last year and it was very good. You will
learn a lot. Plan for a very loooong day if you commute, starting the
class at 8 & ending around 6. Closer to home there is the Henry Gorgas
course, which is a 2 day thing & it is over on the west side
somewhere. Henry gets good reviews, also.
Slider vs. tip up: On the RV List the consensus seems to be the work
involved is about equal in terms of time and difficulty. The big
advantages of the tip up as I recall is instrument access and unobstructed
visibility, while the slider has the cool factor. I believe the slider is
safer if the plane goes on it's back because of the location of the roll
bar--draw a straight line from the nose to the tip of the tail and look at
where the roll bar is in relation to your head & you'll see what I
mean. On the other hand, Mike Robertson of the FAA says there is no
difference. Regarding instrument access, the tip up advantage can be
negated a little by using a modular panel in the slider. And at Van's
homecoming a couple years ago, I saw a tip up left open and there seemed to
be a lot of stress on the thing when a breeze came up. No problem, of
course, with the slider.
Richard Scott
At 12:46 PM 9/25/2004, you wrote:
>--> RV9-List message posted by: "Robert Gresli" <FlyRV9A@comcast.net>
>
>RV-9A Group,
>
>I just picked up my Preview Plans and some videos the other day from Van's.
>
>Where can I find information on deciding on a canopy configuration. I'm a
>long way from needing to decide, but I'm curious. Slider vs Tip-up.
>
>I've only had one ride in the Van's demo -9A, with the slider. I use to
>fly a Grumman AA-5 which also had a sliding canopy. It is very nice on
>the ground on hot days. However, the visibility in the tip-up looks
>incredible.
>
>What are the pros and cons of each?
>
>Also, has anybody on the list gone to the 1-day Synergy Air metalworking
>class? I live near Portland, Oregon, so Eugene is not very far.
>
>Has anybody done the 6-day quick-build empenage class at Synergy? Is it
>worth the $$$$?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob Gresli
>Hillsboro OR (HIO)
>
>
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