---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/16/05: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:50 AM - Tank Dimpling (Bob Perkinson) 2. 09:17 AM - Re: Tank Dimpling (Jim Wright) 3. 09:42 AM - Re: Tank Dimpling (D,C,Jones) 4. 10:24 AM - FW: RV9 weights (Steve Sampson) 5. 10:52 AM - Re: Tank Dimpling (Richard Tasker) 6. 12:20 PM - Re: Tank Dimpling autolearn=no version=2.63 (owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com) 7. 01:20 PM - How many clecos needed for wings? (Richard Scott) 8. 01:40 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Stein Bruch) 9. 02:17 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Bob Kelly) 10. 02:33 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Michael Ice) 11. 03:12 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Roger Ping) 12. 03:23 PM - Re: FW: RV9 weights (Dale Larsen) 13. 05:48 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Jim Wright) 14. 09:31 PM - static port tubing runs (sportpilot) 15. 09:32 PM - Re: How many clecos needed for wings? (Bob Perkinson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:28 AM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling --> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" When dimpling the tank with the Cleveland Tools tank dimple die would it be proper to use it to dimple the nose ribs, and then use the standard dimple tool to dimple the skins? My line of thinking is that the Cleveland tank dimple dies are slightly deeper than the standard dies and will allow the sealant to sit between the skin and the rib in the area of the rivet. Or is the idea to have the dimple slightly deeper to allow the sealant to sit under the head of the rivet, in which case you would use the Cleveland dimplier for everything? Am I about to make one of those $500 mistakes? Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9A If Nothing Changes Nothing Changes! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:57 AM PST US From: "Jim Wright" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Wright" I used it on both thinking the whole purpose was to get the rivet head to sit flush. I hope I was right!!!! Jim 90919 wings Arkansas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:48 AM PST US From: "D,C,Jones" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling autolearn=no version=2.63 --> RV9-List message posted by: "D,C,Jones" Hi Bob, I used the tank dies on the ribs AND skins. They turned out beautifully! Not even the slightest depression at the rivets, as in the leading edge. If I had used the sealant on the leading edge too, the whole thing would have been as smooth as composite. - In other words, use the tank dies on the whole thing. Cliff RV9A - wings Chase, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > When dimpling the tank with the Cleveland Tools tank dimple die would it be > proper to use it to dimple the nose ribs, and then use the standard dimple > tool to dimple the skins? My line of thinking is that the Cleveland tank > dimple dies are slightly deeper than the standard dies and will allow the > sealant to sit between the skin and the rib in the area of the rivet. Or is > the idea to have the dimple slightly deeper to allow the sealant to sit > under the head of the rivet, in which case you would use the Cleveland > dimplier for everything? Am I about to make one of those $500 mistakes? > > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > RV9A > If Nothing Changes > Nothing Changes! > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:29 AM PST US From: "Steve Sampson" Subject: RV9-List: FW: RV9 weights --> RV9-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Sampson [mailto:SSampson.SLN21@london.edu] > Sent: 15 February 2005 07:24 > To: rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV9 weights > > > > I would be very interested to see what the weights of the -9A that are > flying is and what equipment they have. Has any one kept a record as > people have mentioned them. > > Thanks, Steve. > > #90360 G-IINI > > PS I have several times noticed US builders declaring the gross at > 1850lbs. My spec sheet says 1750. Why the discrepancy? > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 10/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:50 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Tasker Bob Perkinson wrote: >--> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > >When dimpling the tank with the Cleveland Tools tank dimple die would it be >proper to use it to dimple the nose ribs, and then use the standard dimple >tool to dimple the skins? My line of thinking is that the Cleveland tank >dimple dies are slightly deeper than the standard dies and will allow the >sealant to sit between the skin and the rib in the area of the rivet. Or is >the idea to have the dimple slightly deeper to allow the sealant to sit >under the head of the rivet, > This is the reason. If you use standard dimple dies on the skin, the rivet heads will sit above the skin. I f you already have the tank dimples - use them. If you do not have them yet, an alternative is to just use your deburring tool to slightly enlarge the dimple on the skin. Just take a light turn or two. Dick Tasker ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:17 PM PST US From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling autolearn=no version=2.63 --> RV9-List message posted by: I concur; I used the tanks dies on tanks, elevators, ailerons and wing skins - beautiful. Michle - RV8 Wings > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of D,C,Jones > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:41 PM > To: rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling autolearn=no version=2.63 > > --> RV9-List message posted by: "D,C,Jones" > > Hi Bob, > > I used the tank dies on the ribs AND skins. They turned out beautifully! > Not even the slightest depression at the rivets, as in the leading edge. > If > I had used the sealant on the leading edge too, the whole thing would have > been as smooth as composite. - In other words, use the tank dies on the > whole thing. > > Cliff > RV9A - wings > Chase, BC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Perkinson" > To: "Matronics RV-9 List" > Subject: RV9-List: Tank Dimpling > > > > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > > > When dimpling the tank with the Cleveland Tools tank dimple die would it > be > > proper to use it to dimple the nose ribs, and then use the standard > dimple > > tool to dimple the skins? My line of thinking is that the Cleveland > tank > > dimple dies are slightly deeper than the standard dies and will allow > the > > sealant to sit between the skin and the rib in the area of the rivet. > Or > is > > the idea to have the dimple slightly deeper to allow the sealant to sit > > under the head of the rivet, in which case you would use the Cleveland > > dimplier for everything? Am I about to make one of those $500 mistakes? > > > > > > Bob Perkinson > > Hendersonville, TN. > > RV9A > > If Nothing Changes > > Nothing Changes! > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:59 PM PST US From: Richard Scott Subject: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 clecos do I need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in about every 4th hole. Richard Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:00 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" Hmmm... I never actally counted mine, but I think if I recall when doing my stubby -6 wings we used exactly 1 of those gallon ice cream pails full! You can never have too many of those things. I've somehow managed to accumulate about 3 of those gallon pails full of clecos, but when one gets bent or full of pro seal, or gummed up, or broke, I just chuck it in the garbage! Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Stein. do not archive (worthless info:) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Scott Subject: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 clecos do I need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in about every 4th hole. Richard Scott ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:42 PM PST US From: Bob Kelly Subject: Re: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Bob Kelly Richard, That should do fine. I found that often I could use less clecos in some areas, especially places that were not being riveted. It doesn't take many to hold the main skins on while you are building the leading edges, for instance. And you don't really need to have all the flaps/ailerons clecoed as you rivet the wings. I think I used about 350 tops. Bob Kelly, 90854 On 02/16/05, Richard Scott wrote: > --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott > > Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 clecos do I > need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in about every > 4th hole. > > Richard Scott > > > > > > > Regards -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:10 PM PST US From: Michael Ice Subject: Re: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Michael Ice Richard, I am building the wings right now and have probably 400 clecos. Just put on the leading edges last night and looking at my remaining cleco's, I would say I don't have enough. So I will probably go and buy another 200. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Scott Subject: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? > --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott > > Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 > clecos do I > need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in > about every > 4th hole. > > Richard Scott > > > _- > _- > _- > ===================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:55 PM PST US From: "Roger Ping" Subject: RE: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: "Roger Ping" I built my wings one at a time with 300 3/32 clecos. I had to rob a few from one place to another but 300 worked out ok. In fact my fuselage is done except for the boot cowl and slider. You don't fill every hole. Every other around a radius is fine. You may even have to clecoe every hole in a radius to get started but believe me 300 will do. My .02. Roger Ping A&P for 29 years. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ice Subject: Re: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Michael Ice Richard, I am building the wings right now and have probably 400 clecos. Just put on the leading edges last night and looking at my remaining cleco's, I would say I don't have enough. So I will probably go and buy another 200. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Scott Subject: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? > --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott > > Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 > clecos do I > need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in > about every > 4th hole. > > Richard Scott > > > _- > _- > _- > ===================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:52 PM PST US From: "Dale Larsen" Subject: Re: RV9-List: FW: RV9 weights --> RV9-List message posted by: "Dale Larsen" >> I would be very interested to see what the weights of the -9A that are >> flying is and what equipment they have. Has any one kept a record as >> people have mentioned them. You can find this information by searching the Matronics archives. Someone made a really nice spreadsheet. Mine is 1070 lbs, 0320 and constant speed prop. Dale ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:36 PM PST US From: "Jim Wright" Subject: RE: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: "Jim Wright" I used 600 and was just enough and I only built one wing at a time. I cleco'd nearly every other hole sometimes every third hole. One benefit I think was my wing had almost zero twist when I was finished. Jim 90919 wings Arkansas ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:46 PM PST US From: "sportpilot" Subject: RV9-List: static port tubing runs --> RV9-List message posted by: "sportpilot" can anyone show me some picture of the tubing and how you got it configured.. ? Danny.. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:20 PM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RE: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" How many can you afford? Because you will always be able to use more. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9A If Nothing Changes Nothing Changes! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Scott Subject: RV9-List: How many clecos needed for wings? --> RV9-List message posted by: Richard Scott Doing both slow build wings at the same time. How many 3/32 clecos do I need? I have 400. Is that enough? I'll probably put one in about every 4th hole. Richard Scott