---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/20/07: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: Small Engines (Ron Russ) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: Small Engines (Michael Schipper) 3. 02:47 PM - Re: Small Engines (Konrad L. Werner) 4. 06:00 PM - Re: Small Engines (Bill Repucci) 5. 06:00 PM - Re: Small Engines (Bill Repucci) 6. 06:49 PM - Re: Small Engines () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:07 AM PST US From: "Ron Russ" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines I talked to Steve Wintworth at Sun & Fun and he told me he has some low time 0320. You may want to give him a call. Last year I purchased my 0320 with 219 since major for 11,500. Ron Russ RV9A E3D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul A. Barker" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: RV9-List: Small Engines > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has put into an RV-9 and > achieve satisfactory performance? My understanding is that one of the > factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. I only ask about this because > I'm researching some alternative engines as a plan B in case I can't find > the engine I really want, when I need it, for a price I would grudgingly > pay. Some of the ones I'm looking at are as small as 100 hp, but I'm > concerned that they just may not be enough guts to get the job done. > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is better". That's already plan A. > > Paul > > > -- > 5:32 AM > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:15 AM PST US From: Michael Schipper Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines Bill Repucci is installing an o-290. (http://www.repucci.com/bill/ baf.html) You might want to contact him directly. The original -9A prototype was indeed powered by an o-235, but sadly it no longer exists. Regards, Mike Schipper www.my9a.com On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Paul A. Barker wrote: > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has put into an RV-9 > and achieve satisfactory performance? My understanding is that one > of the factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. I only ask about > this because I'm researching some alternative engines as a plan B > in case I can't find the engine I really want, when I need it, for > a price I would grudgingly pay. Some of the ones I'm looking at are > as small as 100 hp, but I'm concerned that they just may not be > enough guts to get the job done. > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is better". That's already > plan A. > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:12 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines The O-290 is nearly the same weight as an O-320, but parts for O/H are more expensive (or so I am told). And it also has less power then the -320. I'd go with a 150hp -320, as there are plenty around. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Schipper To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines Bill Repucci is installing an o-290. (http://www.repucci.com/bill/ baf.html) You might want to contact him directly. The original -9A prototype was indeed powered by an o-235, but sadly it no longer exists. Regards, Mike Schipper www.my9a.com On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Paul A. Barker wrote: > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has put into an RV-9 > and achieve satisfactory performance? My understanding is that one > of the factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. I only ask about > this because I'm researching some alternative engines as a plan B > in case I can't find the engine I really want, when I need it, for > a price I would grudgingly pay. Some of the ones I'm looking at are > as small as 100 hp, but I'm concerned that they just may not be > enough guts to get the job done. > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is better". That's already > plan A. > > Paul > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Small Engines Mike, I sure wish I was flying but I'm not. The good news is the other O-290 powered -9 owners I've spoken to see exactly Van's numbers with a Catto prop. 173 mph @ 75% for the -9A. Paul, check this thread: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=14854&highlight=O -235 Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schipper Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines --> Bill Repucci is installing an o-290. (http://www.repucci.com/bill/ baf.html) You might want to contact him directly. The original -9A prototype was indeed powered by an o-235, but sadly it no longer exists. Regards, Mike Schipper www.my9a.com On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Paul A. Barker wrote: > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has put into an RV-9 > and achieve satisfactory performance? My understanding is that one > of the factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. I only ask about > this because I'm researching some alternative engines as a plan B > in case I can't find the engine I really want, when I need it, for > a price I would grudgingly pay. Some of the ones I'm looking at are > as small as 100 hp, but I'm concerned that they just may not be > enough guts to get the job done. > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is better". That's already > plan A. > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Small Engines The O-290 is about 20 lbs lighter, can run auto fuel, etc. About 40% of the parts are from the O-235, 40% from the O-320, and the others are unique to the O-290. As for parts price, sure, some are more $$$ but how often do you buy a piston or a crank? In my case I found a zero time O-290 for $3,500. If I could have found a zero time O-320 for the same price, I would have bought it but that was not the case. I've pulled all four cylinders and changed the accessory case so I can install a fuel pump, bought a duel pair of P-mags, and yellow tagged the carb I bought from an air-boat builder. Even with all that, the price is way less than a used O-320. Here's the deal, and the same goes for the O-235. You will have to do a lot of custom work to install either of these engines as Van's does not make a FwF kit for either of them. I've been working with Van's to give them all the info I have on the 290 installation in the hopes it will help those who follow. It really hasn't been that difficult to do and I can't wait to fly behind this engine. As for empty weight, every O-290 powered -9A and the one -9 that is out there have come in right around 1000 to 1020 lbs empty and as I said, their numbers match what Van's has posted on their web site. All good news. If I were to do it again, I would buy an O-320, if I could find one for a reasonable price. Sorry, but $10,000 for a mid time O-320 isn't reasonable and Paul was looking for inexpensive alternatives, as was I. There is a local -9A flying with a 108 hp O-235 and he LOVES his plane. The -9A replaces a -6A he gave to his father and he regularly flight plans at 150 MPH and can fly non-stop from OK to NC w/ IFR reserves. In other words, it has long legs. The ROC is just outstanding for these planes and we quickly forget that a 172 can only climb at something like 650 FPM where as the O-235 can climb at 1,000 FPM @ GW, which is just outstanding. Sorry about the long post but all I ever hear is how you must have an O-320 to make these planes fly, that is not so with the -9. Sure I would like the faster speeds the O-320 gives, for Sunday flying and cross country, the 175 mph I expect from my O-290-D2 is still moving right along. Bill PS. My engine installation is detailed on my web site. www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines The O-290 is nearly the same weight as an O-320, but parts for O/H are more expensive (or so I am told). And it also has less power then the -320. I'd go with a 150hp -320, as there are plenty around. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Schipper Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines Bill Repucci is installing an o-290. (http://www.repucci.com/bill/ baf.html) You might want to contact him directly. The original -9A prototype was indeed powered by an o-235, but sadly it no longer exists. Regards, Mike Schipper www.my9a.com On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Paul A. Barker wrote: > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has put into an RV-9 > and achieve satisfactory performance? My understanding is that one > of the factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. I only ask about > this because I'm researching some alternative engines as a plan B > in case I can't find the engine I really want, when I need it, for > a price I would grudgingly pay. Some of the ones I'm looking at are > as small as 100 hp, but I'm concerned that they just may not be > enough guts to get the job done. > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is better". That's already > plan A. > > nbsp; Navigator href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronicsn bsp; available via href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:32 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV9-List: Small Engines Hi Mike, My 2 cents worth. The original factory 9 was powered by an 0-235 lyc and it proved the engineers performance projections. It comes down to how much do you want to spend and how fast do you want to go. I would think it unwise to put less than 120HP on your air frame but anything between 120 and 160 is just a matter of choice. I chose an older 150 HP lyc because I got a good deal on one. It performs well for me. My friend put a new 160 HP on his and it performs better but burns a little more fuel. Decide what you want and then go for it. Dennis Thomas RV-9 #90164 (the first customer built taildragger) 347 hours and loving it --- Bill Repucci wrote: > > > Mike, > > I sure wish I was flying but I'm not. The good news > is the other O-290 > powered -9 owners I've spoken to see exactly Van's > numbers with a Catto > prop. 173 mph @ 75% for the -9A. > > Paul, check this thread: > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=14854&highlight=O > -235 > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Michael > Schipper > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:52 AM > To: rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV9-List: Small Engines > > > --> > > Bill Repucci is installing an o-290. > (http://www.repucci.com/bill/ > baf.html) You might want to contact him directly. > > The original -9A prototype was indeed powered by an > o-235, but sadly > it no longer exists. > > Regards, > Mike Schipper > www.my9a.com > > > On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Paul A. Barker wrote: > > > > > > What's the lowest horsepower engine anybody has > put into an RV-9 > > and achieve satisfactory performance? My > understanding is that one > > of the factory demonstrators uses a 118 hp O-235. > I only ask about > > this because I'm researching some alternative > engines as a plan B > > in case I can't find the engine I really want, > when I need it, for > > a price I would grudgingly pay. Some of the ones > I'm looking at are > > as small as 100 hp, but I'm concerned that they > just may not be > > enough guts to get the job done. > > > > I'll take any advice except for "bigger is > better". 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