---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/02/07: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: fin (Chenoweth) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: fin (Harold) 3. 06:59 PM - Re: fin (Bill Repucci) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:14 AM PST US From: "Chenoweth" Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Harold, Sorry for the delay in thanking you for the advice. I ended up discussing the situation with Van's. Their position was that it had to be straight. The suggestion was to raise the rear spar (since mine is a tailwheel version I could only do that about 1/16 due to edge margin issues) and/or to trim some off the 981 front bracket. I ended up doing both plus filing some off the top hinge brackets so they were the same dimension from hole to aft edge as the two lower ones so that the straight edge technique would produce accurate results. After all that I'm between .005 off to absolutely straight. Van's said the .005 was close enough. Haven't drilled yet. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Kovac To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Hi Bill, I checked mine with a drilled acorn/cap nut, string thru the drilled hole with a weight. Mine came out with about a 1/64th" off center error.....seems easier than a straight edge & worked with flaps too. Harold, RV9A Fuselage wiring ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: RV9-List: fin Let me start with the questions first and then the story. The question: Is the rear spar of the fin straight enough when a straight edge laid along the hinge brackets is aft of the center one by about 1/32 inch? How about if it's out of line by more than 5/64 but less than 3/32? These are apparently my two choices. The story: If I mount the fin per the drawing, front spar ahead of hold-down bracket and fin pushed forward so that the hold-down bracket just contacts the flanges on the fin's bottom ribs, the rear fin spar is firmly against the 712 bulkhead but the out of true is the over 5/64 amount I mentioned above. Which, by the way, is the amount it turned out to be out of true when I built it. At that point the rudder seemed to work ok with it. If, however, I mount the fin with the forward spar behind the hold-down bracket and with the bracket just touching the flange of the fin's bottom rib, the rear fin spar does not seat against the 712 - it's about 1/32 aft of it at its top. But I get the less than 1/32 out-of-true measurement in the hinge line. Based on the way I'm making the up elevator stop having the rear fin spar not contact the 712 is not a problem because I can position the stop slightly aft to make good contact with the spar and still have it function properly with the elevator horns. Any answers/comments you'd care to make would be very much appreciated. Bill RV9 Albion, Maine href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 4/22/2007 8:18 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:18 AM PST US From: "Harold" Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Hi Bill, Sounds as if your accuracy was superior to mine. You must do good work. Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Harold, Sorry for the delay in thanking you for the advice. I ended up discussing the situation with Van's. Their position was that it had to be straight. The suggestion was to raise the rear spar (since mine is a tailwheel version I could only do that about 1/16 due to edge margin issues) and/or to trim some off the 981 front bracket. I ended up doing both plus filing some off the top hinge brackets so they were the same dimension from hole to aft edge as the two lower ones so that the straight edge technique would produce accurate results. After all that I'm between .005 off to absolutely straight. Van's said the .005 was close enough. Haven't drilled yet. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Kovac To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Hi Bill, I checked mine with a drilled acorn/cap nut, string thru the drilled hole with a weight. Mine came out with about a 1/64th" off center error.....seems easier than a straight edge & worked with flaps too. Harold, RV9A Fuselage wiring ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth To: rv9-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: RV9-List: fin Let me start with the questions first and then the story. The question: Is the rear spar of the fin straight enough when a straight edge laid along the hinge brackets is aft of the center one by about 1/32 inch? How about if it's out of line by more than 5/64 but less than 3/32? These are apparently my two choices. The story: If I mount the fin per the drawing, front spar ahead of hold-down bracket and fin pushed forward so that the hold-down bracket just contacts the flanges on the fin's bottom ribs, the rear fin spar is firmly against the 712 bulkhead but the out of true is the over 5/64 amount I mentioned above. Which, by the way, is the amount it turned out to be out of true when I built it. At that point the rudder seemed to work ok with it. If, however, I mount the fin with the forward spar behind the hold-down bracket and with the bracket just touching the flange of the fin's bottom rib, the rear fin spar does not seat against the 712 - it's about 1/32 aft of it at its top. But I get the less than 1/32 out-of-true measurement in the hinge line. Based on the way I'm making the up elevator stop having the rear fin spar not contact the 712 is not a problem because I can position the stop slightly aft to make good contact with the spar and still have it function properly with the elevator horns. Any answers/comments you'd care to make would be very much appreciated. Bill RV9 Albion, Maine href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Edition. 4/22/2007 8:18 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RV9-List: fin Bill, Don't forget that you have to trim the front spar before installing it. For some reason Van's doesn't mention this until after you have built the VS. It is anyone's guess as to why then but it would be easier to do before riveting that thing together. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harold Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Hi Bill, Sounds as if your accuracy was superior to mine. You must do good work. Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Harold, Sorry for the delay in thanking you for the advice. I ended up discussing the situation with Van's. Their position was that it had to be straight. The suggestion was to raise the rear spar (since mine is a tailwheel version I could only do that about 1/16 due to edge margin issues) and/or to trim some off the 981 front bracket. I ended up doing both plus filing some off the top hinge brackets so they were the same dimension from hole to aft edge as the two lower ones so that the straight edge technique would produce accurate results. After all that I'm between .005 off to absolutely straight. Van's said the .005 was close enough. Haven't drilled yet. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Kovac Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: fin Hi Bill, I checked mine with a drilled acorn/cap nut, string thru the drilled hole with a weight. Mine came out with about a 1/64th" off center error.....seems easier than a straight edge & worked with flaps too. Harold, RV9A Fuselage wiring ----- Original Message ----- From: Chenoweth Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: RV9-List: fin Let me start with the questions first and then the story. The question: Is the rear spar of the fin straight enough when a straight edge laid along the hinge brackets is aft of the center one by about 1/32 inch? How about if it's out of line by more than 5/64 but less than 3/32? These are apparently my two choices. The story: If I mount the fin per the drawing, front spar ahead of hold-down bracket and fin pushed forward so that the hold-down bracket just contacts the flanges on the fin's bottom ribs, the rear fin spar is firmly against the 712 bulkhead but the out of true is the over 5/64 amount I mentioned above. Which, by the way, is the amount it turned out to be out of true when I built it. At that point the rudder seemed to work ok with it. If, however, I mount the fin with the forward spar behind the hold-down bracket and with the bracket just touching the flange of the fin's bottom rib, the rear fin spar does not seat against the 712 - it's about 1/32 aft of it at its top. But I get the less than 1/32 out-of-true measurement in the hinge line. Based on the way I'm making the up elevator stop having the rear fin spar not contact the 712 is not a problem because I can position the stop slightly aft to make good contact with the spar and still have it function properly with the elevator horns. Any answers/comments you'd care to make would be very much appreciated. 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