---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/11/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Top VS Rib Won't Fit (Jeff Rosson) 2. 07:13 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit (smittysrv) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit (Michael T. Ice) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit (Carl Bell) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit (Michael T. Ice) 6. 08:14 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit () 7. 11:23 AM - Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit (Wayne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:37 AM PST US Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit From: "Jeff Rosson" Hi, I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this rib fits inside with no problem. In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating with hole on the tab. To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:26 AM PST US Subject: RV9-List: Re: Top VS Rib Won't Fit From: "smittysrv" Hi Jeff, You shouldn't be having the problem you're having. Mine went in easily. I think you have a mal-formed rib. I suggest you order another one from Van's. -------- Smittys RV-9A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117782#117782 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:17 AM PST US From: "Michael T. Ice" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Jeff, First don't start hacking away until your sure. You can make an expensive mistake real quick. >From the looks of the one picture is does look like something is definitely wrong. It looks like (at least from my perspective) that you need to do some fluting and some trimming on that rib to make it fit. Make certain that you have the right parts in the right places. Is the video you got from Van's the one by George Orndorf? George has some great ideas. www.rvproject.com/ , This is a good resource site and there are others. Blue Skies, Mike Ice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:11 AM PST US From: "Carl Bell" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Jeff, This may not be the only problem you are having and I'm building a 7, but in my instructions it says to flute and straighten all ribs before match drilling. You need to make sure the hole line on the ribs are perfectly straight. If you do this it may all go together better, although I'm not expert yet and there may be another issue some where in your assembly. Carl Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Rosson Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Hi, I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this rib fits inside with no problem. In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating with hole on the tab. To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:04 AM PST US From: "Michael T. Ice" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Jeff, I just read your post on the VAF. I would also suggest to you that if your having problems with clecoing to get a pneumatic cleco tool. Also, QUICK Build is a great way to go with the wings and fuselage. Mike Ice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:32 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit You might try removing the skin from the skeleton, Cleco the rib in place and see if it fit then. --- "Michael T. Ice" wrote: > > > Jeff, > > I just read your post on the VAF. > > I would also suggest to you that if your having > problems with clecoing to > get a pneumatic cleco tool. > > Also, QUICK Build is a great way to go with the > wings and fuselage. > > Mike Ice > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Rosson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:55 AM > Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air > Force site, but I > > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I > just found out I can't > > post attachements there, so I am bringing the > question here. > > > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with > the top rib for the VS > > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is > clecoed to the aft spar > > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too > wide at the tip to slip > > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for > the RV9 empennage, this > > rib fits inside with no problem. > > > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside > the skin, and clecoed > > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including > the forward spar, except > > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had > to be bent quite a bit to > > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no > where close to the mating > > with hole on the tab. > > > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to > flatten out the flanges of > > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the > length, then trim the > > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > > > I don't really see any structural problem to me > doing that, but with the > > way the rest of the parts have been fitting > together so nicely, the fact I > > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, > the video shows the rib > > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered > to attach them!) > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:52 AM PST US From: "Wayne" Subject: Re: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit Peeling the blue afterbirth off may help some Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rosson" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: RV9-List: Top VS Rib Won't Fit > > Hi, > > I originally posted this question to the Van's Air Force site, but I > didn't have the ability to send in pictures and I just found out I can't > post attachements there, so I am bringing the question here. > > Here are two pictures to describe my problem with the top rib for the VS > fitting into the skin. In one picture, the rib is clecoed to the aft spar > and, as you can see, the rib is too long and too wide at the tip to slip > into the VS skin. In the video that Van's has for the RV9 empennage, this > rib fits inside with no problem. > > In the other picture, I have forced the rib inside the skin, and clecoed > it in all the way back to the aft spar, including the forward spar, except > for the holes in the tab. As shown, the tab had to be bent quite a bit to > fit inside, to where the hole in the skin is no where close to the mating > with hole on the tab. > > To make it fit, it looks like I would have to flatten out the flanges of > the tab, then cut back on the tip to reduce the length, then trim the > flanges and re-bend them to make the tab narrower. > > I don't really see any structural problem to me doing that, but with the > way the rest of the parts have been fitting together so nicely, the fact I > am having this kind of problem here (and, again, the video shows the rib > fitting in quite nicely) makes me question it. > > Hope the pictures help. (And I hope I remembered to attach them!) > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117768#117768 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_2_357.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/vs_rib_1_911.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv9-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV9-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv9-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv9-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.