---------------------------------------------------------- RV9-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/30/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:15 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:49 PM - Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Ralph Finch) 2. 03:07 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Streiker, Stephen D.) 3. 03:22 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard () 4. 03:28 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (RScott) 5. 04:48 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Michael Ice) 6. 04:56 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Carlos Trigo) 7. 05:14 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Charlie England) 8. 05:46 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Bill Repucci) 9. 06:23 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (Ralph Cloud) 10. 11:15 PM - Re: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard (bobperk90658@bellsouth.net) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV9-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then now is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that, er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-) I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same. The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:33 PM PST US From: "Ralph Finch" Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:20 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard From: "Streiker, Stephen D." You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side' Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning? Stephen (Steve) Streiker -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:51 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Ralph, I would think long, hard and seriously about redesigning the fuel tanks whether it be QB or standard kit. I would talk to Van's about tip tanks first. Actually with an 0-320 engine the 36 gal provided will give you well over 600 miles and 4 hours of range. If you do deside to redesign the wing you could get a standard wing kit and still order a QB fuselage. Dennis Thomas --- Ralph Finch wrote: > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order > the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and > Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for > time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional > items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be > difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to > extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost > impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot > tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard > wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the > thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > Click on > about > Admin. > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > > Forums! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:05 PM PST US From: RScott Subject: Re: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard This may or may not help, but the majority opinion, including from Van's brother, is that if you can only do one QB kit, do the QB wing and the slow build fuselage. Next step down in price is to do slow build both, but order the prebuilt fuel tanks. My slow build wings probably took me about 500 hrs.; probably a little slower than most. I wouldn't bother with more fuel. How often would you use the full fuel capacity, anyway? The time it takes to enlarge the fuel tanks won't be offset by the time saved with the longer range unless you fly long distances most of the time. And by doing so, you negate the engineering thought that went into the design and enter unknown territory. Richard Scott RV-9A Fuselage Ralph Finch wrote: > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:41 PM PST US From: Michael Ice Subject: Re: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Ralph, Do you want to fly or build? I did the slow build wings and QB fuselage. If I did it again I would do QB for both. Mike Ice Cowling just about done ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Finch Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for > the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both > of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things > might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the > fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do > with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of- > attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:10 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Ralph >From my experience, I can tell you that it is very easy to install the "angle-of-attack" in the QB wing, at least the one which is now sold by Advanced Control Systems. I believe the one from Dynon will be more or less the same. I also installed a heated pitot tube, from Gretz Aero, and it was very easy to do it in the QB wing. Further, if you do both before riveting the bottom skin, which comes in the QB wing for you to do it, it will be a piece of cake. Obviously the same cannot be done with your intention to extend the fuel tanks. In order to do this, you should buy the standard wings; but you still can buy the QB fuselage... If money is not a problem, go for the QB! It will save you a lot of building time and it permits all the changes and additions you could possibly want, except extending the fuel tanks :-( Carlos RV-9A > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > Sent: sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007 22:48 > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:28 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Easy: tankering. If you can buy wholesale or have an auto-fuel capable engine, you can do many mid-range trips both ways without refueling. An extra 10 gal might not help a lot, but another 20 would certainly be beneficial. I bought slow build wings for my -7 kit because I wanted to add fuel capacity, but in retrospect it wouldn't be that hard to add fuel after the fact. There's a guy in FL doing 'hired gun' work on Mustang replica kits. He starts with QB kits, cuts access holes on the bottom of the leading edge 'D' cells, 'caulks' the joints & shop heads of the rivets & seals up the holes. On the -9, it might be even easier. Where are the lightening holes in the spar, outside the existing tanks? You might be able to reach in through those holes to seal the joints/rivet heads, then close the lightening holes with sealed plates. Fuel pickup can go through the spar, or if you skip a bay, you can put the pickup in the rib just like the stock tank. Having added 'wet wing' aux tanks to the -7 wing leading edges, I'm confident that the technique described above on a QB wing would be a lot easier and faster than what I did on the slow build wings. If the -9 QB wing is like the -7 QB, with one of the bottom skins left for the builder, then any of the other mods should be a non-event. I don't really want to talk about how many hours I've got in the wings... Charlie Streiker, Stephen D. wrote: > > You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each > side' > > Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning? > > > Stephen (Steve) Streiker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv9-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or > Standard > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, > and > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us > lean > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might > we > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank > 4 > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with > the > QB wing. > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot > tube/angle-of-attack. Is > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Ralph, Having paid myself around $8/hr to assemble my slow build, I would go quick build, if I were doing it again. As adding fuel, check out SafeAir1's option: http://www.safeair1.com/HWA/HWA_Buying_Tanks.htm Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, and of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us lean towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might we want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with the QB wing. Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot tube/angle-of-attack. Is this much harder to install with a QB wing? Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... [Also posted in the VAF ] Ralph Finch Davis, California ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:00 PM PST US From: "Ralph Cloud" Subject: RE: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard If it's more fuel that is your decision hinge point, look at the Hotel Whisky (marketed by SafeAir1 extended tanks. The put a tubular tank in the lightening holes of the leading edge ribs from the existing tank to the tip with a filler in the tip, gets about 1 to 2 hours extended range. It can easily be retrofitted or you can put the fuel bungs on your existing tank either in construction or after it is built. The website is: http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm Ralph -- wings Livermore, CA Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:34 PM PST US From: bobperk90658@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or Standard Charlie the retro fit on my RV9 wing tanks was fairly straight forward. Sealed up the last 3 outboard bays of the wing added all the necessary hard ware, Level indicators, low point sump, and fuel pick up, and a new filler ring at the wing tip and it came up with 14 gal extra space in each wing. Not that I want to travel around the world but I do want to get back from those long cross countries that terminate at someones back yard field with no way to fuel up unless I stop on the way home, I would have to leave earlier. And miss the fun. Bob Perkinson RV-9 do not archive -------------- Original message from Charlie England : -------------- > > Easy: tankering. If you can buy wholesale or have an auto-fuel capable > engine, you can do many mid-range trips both ways without refueling. > > An extra 10 gal might not help a lot, but another 20 would certainly be > beneficial. > > I bought slow build wings for my -7 kit because I wanted to add fuel > capacity, but in retrospect it wouldn't be that hard to add fuel after > the fact. There's a guy in FL doing 'hired gun' work on Mustang replica > kits. He starts with QB kits, cuts access holes on the bottom of the > leading edge 'D' cells, 'caulks' the joints & shop heads of the rivets & > seals up the holes. > > On the -9, it might be even easier. Where are the lightening holes in > the spar, outside the existing tanks? You might be able to reach in > through those holes to seal the joints/rivet heads, then close the > lightening holes with sealed plates. Fuel pickup can go through the > spar, or if you skip a bay, you can put the pickup in the rib just like > the stock tank. > > Having added 'wet wing' aux tanks to the -7 wing leading edges, I'm > confident that the technique described above on a QB wing would be a lot > easier and faster than what I did on the slow build wings. > > If the -9 QB wing is like the -7 QB, with one of the bottom skins left > for the builder, then any of the other mods should be a non-event. > > I don't really want to talk about how many hours I've got in the wings... > > Charlie > > Streiker, Stephen D. wrote: > > > > You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each > > side' > > > > Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning? > > > > > > Stephen (Steve) Streiker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv9-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or > > Standard > > > > > > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for the -9A, > > and > > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard. > > > > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us > > lean > > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might > > we > > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if > > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank > > 4 > > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with > > the > > QB wing. > > > > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot > > tube/angle-of-attack. Is > > this much harder to install with a QB wing? > > > > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing? > > > > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread.... > > > > [Also posted in the VAF ] > > > > Ralph Finch > > Davis, California > > > > > > > >

Charlie the retro fit on my RV9 wing tanks was fairly straight forward.  Sealed up the last 3 outboard bays of the wing added all the necessary hard ware, Level indicators, low point sump, and fuel pick up, and a new filler ring at the wing tip and it came up with 14 gal  extra space in each wing.  Not that I want to travel around the world but I do want to get back from those long cross countries that terminate at someones back yard field with no way to fuel up unless I stop on the way home, I would have to leave earlier. And miss the fun.

 

Bob Perkinson

RV-9

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-------------- Original message from Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>: --------------


> --> RV9-List message posted by: Charlie England
>
> Easy: tankering. If you can buy wholesale or have an auto-fuel capable
> engine, you can do many mid-range trips both ways without refueling.
>
> An extra 10 gal might not help a lot, but another 20 would certainly be
> beneficial.
>
> I bought slow build wings for my -7 kit because I wanted to add fuel
> capacity, but in retrospect it wouldn't be that hard to add fuel after
> the fact. There's a guy in FL doing 'hired gun' work on Mustang replica
> kits. He starts with QB kits, cuts access holes on the bottom of the
> leading edge 'D' cells, 'caulks' the joints & shop heads of the rivets &
> seals up th e holes.
>
> On the -9, it might be even easier. Where are the lightening holes in
> the spar, outside the existing tanks? You might be able to reach in
> through those holes to seal the joints/rivet heads, then close the
> lightening holes with sealed plates. Fuel pickup can go through the
> spar, or if you skip a bay, you can put the pickup in the rib just like
> the stock tank.
>
> Having added 'wet wing' aux tanks to the -7 wing leading edges, I'm
> confident that the technique described above on a QB wing would be a lot
> easier and faster than what I did on the slow build wings.
>
> If the -9 QB wing is like the -7 QB, with one of the bottom skins left
> for the builder, then any of the other mods should be a non-event.
>
> I don't really want to talk about how many hours I've got in the wings...
>
> Charlie
>
> Streiker, Stephen D. wrote :
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Streiker, Stephen D."
> >
> > You said: 'I might want to extend the fuel tank 4 or 5 gals on each
> > side'
> >
> > Why? Is there some big mission deviation that you are planning?
> >
> >
> > Stephen (Steve) Streiker
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:48 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv9-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV9-List: Looking for advice on Wing and Fuse Kit: QB or
> > Standard
> >
> > --> RV9-List message posted by: "Ralph Finch"
> >
> > On Monday December 3 a buddy and I will each order the kits for t he -9A ,
> > and
> > of course we must choose between the Quick Build and Standard.
> >
> > We understand the principle of trading dollars for time, and both of us
> > lean
> > towards saving time. But we wonder what additional items or things might
> > we
> > want to do to the fuselage or wing, that would be difficult to do if
> > starting from the QB? For instance, I might want to extend the fuel tank
> > 4
> > or 5 gals on each side, and that would be almost impossible to do with
> > the
> > QB wing.
> >
> > Or again, I am interested in using a combined pitot
> > tube/angle-of-attack. Is
> > this much harder to install with a QB wing?
> >
> > Also, how long have you taken building the Standard wing?
> >
> > If this has been asked before just point me to the thread....
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