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1. 06:04 AM - Re: RV 9A (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: RV 9A (Dan Bergeron)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: RV 9A (Dennis Thomas)
4. 12:17 PM - Re: RV 9A (Wayne)
5. 03:56 PM - Re: RV 9A (GARY PENNINGTON)
6. 08:01 PM - Re: RV 9A (Steve Koziol)
7. 09:53 PM - Re: RV 9A (Robin Marks)
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Dear Listers,
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Good morning
I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
Thanks for the info.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne<mailto:wowens@darientel.net>
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a
friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his
side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT
it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350
rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
To: rv9-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Perry
Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a
problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the
canopy too.
Thanks again
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m@gmail.com>
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Perry,
Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting
ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help
with design choices and such along the way.
Matthew
Blue Skies & Soft Landings
http://www.mattshangar.info<http://www.mattshangar.info/>
http://www.schlegelhome.info<http://www.schlegelhome.info/>
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk
<payaremchuk@gmail.com<mailto:payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Gary,
I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of
feedback.
first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and
then we can respond whether the -9a does it well.
otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as
fast as a -7"
is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is
said to be just a few knots slower.
One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no
headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding
in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I
can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view
over the cowl.
I guess you could call that
'compromise #1'
I'll try to comment further later.
thx
Perry
0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON
<pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly,
climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any
little quirks they may have.
Can anyone advise me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington
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Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same
fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for
differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type
(slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf
seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head
room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could
see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster
seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain."
My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton
Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in
the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3"
individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the
canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full
forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat
configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort
issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
> Good morning
> I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
> Thanks for the info.
> Gary Pennington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Wayne <wowens@darientel.net>
> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
>
> Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend
> today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under
> the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
>
> Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it
> will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm
> leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
>
> The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
>
>
> Hello Perry
>
> Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in
> the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Gary Pennington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Matthew Schlegel <nite97m@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
>
>
> Hi Perry,
>
>
> Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to
> start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design
> choices and such along the way.
>
>
> Matthew
> Blue Skies & Soft Landings
>
> http://www.mattshangar.info
>
> http://www.schlegelhome.info
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
> I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
> I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.
> first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we
> can respond whether the -9a does it well.
> otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a
> -7"
> is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be
> just a few knots slower.
> One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no
> headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in
> the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop
> an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl.
> I guess you could call that
> 'compromise #1'
> I'll try to comment further later.
> thx
> Perry
> 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
>
> I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb,
> cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks
> they may have.
>
>
> Can anyone advise me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary Pennington
>
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Hi Gary,
Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you are
sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is
about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion about fitting
the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting.
If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully.
Good Luck,
Dennis Thomas
RV-9, N164DV
565 hours
________________________________
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same
fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for
differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider
vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats
(they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My
wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the
glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for
short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion
after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is
another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine
with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while
back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way.
Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable.
With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you
get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Good morning
>I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
>Thanks for the info.
>Gary Pennington
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Wayne
>>To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
>>Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
>>
>>
>>Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend
>>today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under
>>the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
>>Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it
>>will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm
>>leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
>>The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
>>
>>
>>From:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
>>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
>>To: rv9-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
>>
>>Hello Perry
>>Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in
>>the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.
>>
>>Thanks again
>>Gary Pennington
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From:Matthew Schlegel
>>>To:rv9-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent:Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
>>>Subject:Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
>>>
>>>Hi Perry,
>>>
>>>Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready
>>>to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with
>>>design choices and such along the way.
>>>
>>>Matthew
>>>Blue Skies & Soft Landings
>>>http://www.mattshangar.info
>>>http://www.schlegelhome.info
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>Hi Gary,
>>>I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
>>>I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.
>>>first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then
we
>>>can respond whether the -9a does it well.
>>>otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as
a
>>>-7"
>>>is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to
be
>>>just a few knots slower.
>>>One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no
>>>headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding
in
>>>the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can
drop
>>>an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl.
>>>
>>>I guess you could call that
>>>'compromise #1'
>>>I'll try to comment further later.
>>>thx
>>>Perry
>>>0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
>>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>
>wrote:
>>>Hello everyone
>>>>I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb,
>>>>cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little
>>>>quirks they may have.
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone advise me?
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Gary Pennington
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>tp://forums.matronics.com
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Just thought of another difference. I leave my seat leaned all the way back
and have lots of head room.
Wayne
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Thomas
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary,
Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you
are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the
cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion
about fitting the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of
trimming and fitting. If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to
trim very carefully.
Good Luck,
Dennis Thomas
RV-9, N164DV
565 hours
_____
From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same
fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for
differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type
(slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf
seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head
room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could
see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster
seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain."
My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton
Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in
the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3"
individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the
canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full
forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat
configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort
issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Good morning
I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
Thanks for the info.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne <mailto:wowens@darientel.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend
today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under
the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it
will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm
leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Perry
Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in
the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.
Thanks again
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Schlegel <mailto:nite97m@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Perry,
Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to
start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design
choices and such along the way.
Matthew
Blue Skies & Soft Landings
http://www.mattshangar.info
http://www.schlegelhome.info
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Gary,
I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.
first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we
can respond whether the -9a does it well.
otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a
-7"
is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be
just a few knots slower.
One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no
headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in
the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop
an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl.
I guess you could call that
'compromise #1'
I'll try to comment further later.
thx
Perry
0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise
speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they
may have.
Can anyone advise me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington
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Hello Dan
Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.
Thanks
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Bergeron<mailto:dan.pat.b@gmail.com>
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the
same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account
for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy
type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and
Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I
have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a
custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an
uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on
long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a
flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is
another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and
I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my
airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re
leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I
doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat
configuration things might have been better but then you get into
comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON
<pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote:
Good morning
I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
Thanks for the info.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne<mailto:wowens@darientel.net>
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a
friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his
side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at
WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and
2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
From:
owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronic
s.com>
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@
matronics.com>] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Perry
Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a
problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the
canopy too.
Thanks again
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m@gmail.com>
To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Perry,
Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of
getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that
can help with design choices and such along the way.
Matthew
Blue Skies & Soft Landings
http://www.mattshangar.info<http://www.mattshangar.info/>
http://www.schlegelhome.info<http://www.schlegelhome.info/>
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk
<payaremchuk@gmail.com<mailto:payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Gary,
I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of
feedback.
first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do,
and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well.
otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as
fast as a -7"
is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is
said to be just a few knots slower.
One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is
no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal
padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the
canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like
the view over the cowl.
I guess you could call that
'compromise #1'
I'll try to comment further later.
thx
Perry
0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON
<pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly,
climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any
little quirks they may have.
Can anyone advise me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington
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Hi all.-
-
Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft.- I have
an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her.--She has the following set
up.
-
- Slider canopy
-Rudder pedals set in middle section
-Seats are from Classic Aero Design.- I am 6'1" 230lb and-use one of th
eir booster seats for proper fit.
-Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracke
t that attaches to the rear of Vans seat.- I have about 2 inches of head
room.-
-
Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help
.- I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place.- T
he crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from
hitting the canopy.- I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not pe
rfect.- (Hooker Harness)
-
Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions.
-
Steve Koziol
N424JK
100 + and 1 year flying
--- On Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Dan
Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.
Thanks
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Bergeron
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: -I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same
fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for diff
erences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider
vs. tip-up). -I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf sea
ts (they're great). -Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head r
oom. -My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she cou
ld see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. -(Boo
ster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pai
n." - My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to H
ilton Head, SC.) - Leg room is another issue. -I set the rudder pedal a
ssembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. -However, I had a
6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: -His head was just tou
ching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. -Even -with the ru
dders
set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. -With a differe
nt seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into c
omfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09 - --
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Good morning
I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
Thanks for the info.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend to
day who is six- feet one- and had the booster cushion on his side under
the- comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
Mine has a 160 hp Superior- engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it
will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm
leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
-
-
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
-
Hello Perry
Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in
the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.
Thanks again
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Schlegel
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
-
Hi Perry,
-
Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? -I'm also in the process of getting ready
to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with desi
gn choices and such along the way.
-
Matthew
Blue Skies & Soft Landings
http://www.mattshangar.info
http://www.schlegelhome.info
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com> wrot
e:
Hi Gary,
I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.
first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we c
an respond whether the -9a does it well.
otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a
-7"
is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be
just a few knots slower.
One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroo
m. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the se
at bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an in
ch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl.
I guess you could call that
'compromise #1'
I'll try to comment further later.
thx
Perry
0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruis
e speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they
may have.
-
Can anyone advise me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington--et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-L
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Another option to maximize headroom is to consider a headband less (if that
is a word) headset. This will give you either side of an inch of additional
space. Also as mentioned before reclining the seat helps as well.
Robin
[image: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-05794.gif]
*From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Koziol
*Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 7:56 PM
*To:* rv9-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi all.
Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft. I have an
RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her. She has the following set up.
- Slider canopy
-Rudder pedals set in middle section
-Seats are from Classic Aero Design. I am 6'1" 230lb and use one of their
booster seats for proper fit.
-Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracket
that attaches to the rear of Vans seat. I have about 2 inches of head
room.
Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may
help. I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place.
The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from
hitting the canopy. I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not
perfect. (Hooker Harness)
Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions.
Steve Koziol
N424JK
100 + and 1 year flying
--- On *Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>* wrote:
From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Dan
Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse.
Thanks
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Bergeron<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dan.pat.b@gmail.com>
*To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM
*Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Gary:
Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same
fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for
differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type
(slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf
seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head
room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could
see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster
seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain."
My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton
Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in
the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3"
individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the
canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full
forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat
configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort
issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort.
Fly safe,
Dan Bergeron
RV-7A - N307TB
200+ hours since first
flight on 08/04/09
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON
<pennington@q.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>>
wrote:
Good morning
I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out.
Thanks for the info.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Wayne<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wowens@darientel.net>
*To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM
*Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend
today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under
the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room.
Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it
will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm
leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts.
The tip up has much better access to the avionics.
*From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>]
*On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON
*Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM
*To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com>
*Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hello Perry
Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in
the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too.
Thanks again
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Matthew
Schlegel<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nite97m@gmail.com>
*To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A
Hi Perry,
Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to
start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design
choices and such along the way.
Matthew
Blue Skies & Soft Landings
http://www.mattshangar.info
http://www.schlegelhome.info
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk
<payaremchuk@gmail.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=payaremchuk@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi Gary,
I bought a flying -9a a few years ago.
I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback.
first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we
can respond whether the -9a does it well.
otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a
-7"
is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be
just a few knots slower.
One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no
headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in
the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop
an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl.
I guess you could call that
'compromise #1'
I'll try to comment further later.
thx
Perry
0-320 w/ Sensenich fp
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON
<pennington@q.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>>
wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise
speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they
may have.
Can anyone advise me?
Thanks
Gary Pennington
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