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     0. 12:16 AM - PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:04 AM - Re: RV 9A (GARY PENNINGTON)
     2. 06:54 AM - Re: RV 9A (Dan Bergeron)
     3. 08:23 AM - Re: RV 9A (Dennis Thomas)
     4. 12:17 PM - Re: RV 9A (Wayne)
     5. 03:56 PM - Re: RV 9A (GARY PENNINGTON)
     6. 08:01 PM - Re: RV 9A (Steve Koziol)
     7. 09:53 PM - Re: RV 9A (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:16:12 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff!
    Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages including: * Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com * Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com * Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search * Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements. During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution counts! Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates. This year, these generous people include: * Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com * Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com * Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP http://www.homebuilthelp.com These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support of the Lists again this year!! You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator RV-8 Builder and Flyer


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    Time: 06:04:44 AM PST US
    From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
    Subject: Re: RV 9A
    Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne<mailto:wowens@darientel.net> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM To: rv9-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m@gmail.com> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info<http://www.mattshangar.info/> http://www.schlegelhome.info<http://www.schlegelhome.info/> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com<mailto:payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? Thanks Gary Pennington et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List<http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?RV9-List>tp://forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matr onics.com/>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matro nics.com/contribution> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listtp://forums.matr onics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comtitle=http://w ww.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http:/ /www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics .com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listhref= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www. matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-Listhttp ://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 06:54:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RV 9A
    From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b@gmail.com>
    Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: > Good morning > I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. > Thanks for the info. > Gary Pennington > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Wayne <wowens@darientel.net> > *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A > > Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend > today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under > the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. > > Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it > will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm > leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. > > The tip up has much better access to the avionics. > > > *From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM > *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A > > > Hello Perry > > Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in > the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. > > Thanks again > > Gary Pennington > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Matthew Schlegel <nite97m@gmail.com> > > *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM > > *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A > > > Hi Perry, > > > Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to > start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design > choices and such along the way. > > > Matthew > Blue Skies & Soft Landings > > http://www.mattshangar.info > > http://www.schlegelhome.info > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Gary, > I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. > I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. > first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we > can respond whether the -9a does it well. > otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a > -7" > is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be > just a few knots slower. > One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no > headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in > the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop > an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. > I guess you could call that > 'compromise #1' > I'll try to comment further later. > thx > Perry > 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, > cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks > they may have. > > > Can anyone advise me? > > Thanks > > Gary Pennington > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com* > > *title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com* > > *href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * > >


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    Time: 08:23:53 AM PST US
    From: Dennis Thomas <dthomas773@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: RV 9A
    Hi Gary, Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting. If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully. Good Luck, Dennis Thomas RV-9, N164DV 565 hours ________________________________ From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: Good morning >I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. >Thanks for the info. >Gary Pennington >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Wayne >>To: rv9-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM >>Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A >> >> >>Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend >>today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under >>the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. >>Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it >>will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm >>leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. >>The tip up has much better access to the avionics. >> >> >>From:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON >>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM >>To: rv9-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A >> >>Hello Perry >>Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in >>the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. >> >>Thanks again >>Gary Pennington >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From:Matthew Schlegel >>>To:rv9-list@matronics.com >>>Sent:Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM >>>Subject:Re: RV9-List: RV 9A >>> >>>Hi Perry, >>> >>>Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready >>>to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with >>>design choices and such along the way. >>> >>>Matthew >>>Blue Skies & Soft Landings >>>http://www.mattshangar.info >>>http://www.schlegelhome.info >>> >>> >>> >>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com> >>>wrote: >>>Hi Gary, >>>I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. >>>I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. >>>first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we >>>can respond whether the -9a does it well. >>>otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a >>>-7" >>>is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be >>>just a few knots slower. >>>One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no >>>headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in >>>the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop >>>an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. >>> >>>I guess you could call that >>>'compromise #1' >>>I'll try to comment further later. >>>thx >>>Perry >>>0-320 w/ Sensenich fp >>>On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> >wrote: >>>Hello everyone >>>>I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, >>>>cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little >>>>quirks they may have. >>>> >>>>Can anyone advise me? >>>>Thanks >>>>Gary Pennington >>>> >>>> >>>>et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>>>tp://forums.matronics.com >>>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>>tp://forums.matronics.com >>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>>title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ >>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>> >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >>www.aeroelectric.com >>www.buildersbooks.com >>www.homebuilthelp.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List >>http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributionet="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List > tp://forums.matronics.com >


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    Time: 12:17:57 PM PST US
    From: "Wayne" <wowens@darientel.net>
    Subject: RV 9A
    Just thought of another difference. I leave my seat leaned all the way back and have lots of head room. Wayne From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Thomas Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary, Dan is absolutely correct. The 9 and 7 use the same fuselage. Since you are sitting on the floor of the cabin on a cushion the thickness of the cushion is about the only way you can gain headroom. We have had discussion about fitting the tip up canopy. It comes to requiring quite a bit of trimming and fitting. If headroom is an issue you would want to be sure to trim very carefully. Good Luck, Dennis Thomas RV-9, N164DV 565 hours _____ From: Dan Bergeron <dan.pat.b@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 6:49:31 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne <mailto:wowens@darientel.net> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel <mailto:nite97m@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. I'm wondering how they fly, climb, cruise speed expected, engine size used, fuel economy and any little quirks they may have. Can anyone advise me? 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    Time: 03:56:32 PM PST US
    From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
    Subject: Re: RV 9A
    Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bergeron<mailto:dan.pat.b@gmail.com> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne<mailto:wowens@darientel.net> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronic s.com> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@ matronics.com>] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel<mailto:nite97m@gmail.com> To: rv9-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv9-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info<http://www.mattshangar.info/> http://www.schlegelhome.info<http://www.schlegelhome.info/> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com<mailto:payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. 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    Time: 08:01:40 PM PST US
    From: Steve Koziol <biovail2001@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: RV 9A
    Hi all.- - Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft.- I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her.--She has the following set up. - - Slider canopy -Rudder pedals set in middle section -Seats are from Classic Aero Design.- I am 6'1" 230lb and-use one of th eir booster seats for proper fit. -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracke t that attaches to the rear of Vans seat.- I have about 2 inches of head room.- - Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help .- I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place.- T he crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy.- I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not pe rfect.- (Hooker Harness) - Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions. - Steve Koziol N424JK 100 + and 1 year flying --- On Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bergeron Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: -I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for diff erences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). -I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf sea ts (they're great). -Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head r oom. -My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she cou ld see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. -(Boo ster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pai n." - My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to H ilton Head, SC.) - Leg room is another issue. -I set the rudder pedal a ssembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. -However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: -His head was just tou ching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. -Even -with the ru dders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. -With a differe nt seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into c omfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 - -- On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend to day who is six- feet one- and had the booster cushion on his side under the- comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior- engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. - - From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A - Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Schlegel Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A - Hi Perry, - Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? -I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with desi gn choices and such along the way. - Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com> wrot e: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we c an respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroo m. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the se at bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an in ch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. 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    Time: 09:53:23 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <Robin@painttheweb.com>
    Subject: RV 9A
    Another option to maximize headroom is to consider a headband less (if that is a word) headset. This will give you either side of an inch of additional space. Also as mentioned before reclining the seat helps as well. Robin [image: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-05794.gif] *From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Koziol *Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 7:56 PM *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi all. Here is another take on this thread and some details of my craft. I have an RV 9A with just over a 100 hours on her. She has the following set up. - Slider canopy -Rudder pedals set in middle section -Seats are from Classic Aero Design. I am 6'1" 230lb and use one of their booster seats for proper fit. -Seat is positioned in rear most hinge position and I do not use the bracket that attaches to the rear of Vans seat. I have about 2 inches of head room. Yes, I have banged my head in rough air, so here is a thought that may help. I would suggest putting in a 5 harness seat belt system in place. The crouch strap should minimize any vertical motion and keep ones head from hitting the canopy. I have a 4 harness system and it is fine but not perfect. (Hooker Harness) Best of luck and hope some of these facts help with your decisions. Steve Koziol N424JK 100 + and 1 year flying --- On *Mon, 11/1/10, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com>* wrote: From: GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Dan Sometimes being tall and long legged is a curse. Thanks Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Dan Bergeron<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dan.pat.b@gmail.com> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2010 6:49 AM *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Gary: Re head room in RV-9s: I'm reasonably sure RV-7s and RV-9s have the same fuselage; if so the only thing I can think of which could account for differences in head room would be seat configuration and/or canopy type (slider vs. tip-up). I have an RV-7A with a tip up canopy and Becky Orndorf seats (they're great). Granted, I'm only 5'-10" but I have plenty of head room. My wife is 5'-5" and Becky had to make her a custom seat so she could see over the glare shield without an uncomfortable booster seat. (Booster seats are ok for short hops but on long trips they're literally "a pain." My wife's conclusion after a flight from western Massachusetts to Hilton Head, SC.) Leg room is another issue. I set the rudder pedal assembly in the middle range and I'm fine with leg room. However, I had a 6'-3" individual sit in my airplane a while back: His head was just touching the canopy and, re leg room, there was no way. Even with the rudders set full forward I doubt that it would have been doable. With a different seat configuration things might have been better but then you get into comfort issues, i.e., less padding - less comfort. Fly safe, Dan Bergeron RV-7A - N307TB 200+ hours since first flight on 08/04/09 On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>> wrote: Good morning I guess I need to sit in one myself and try it out. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Wayne<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wowens@darientel.net> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:15 PM *Subject:* RE: RV9-List: RV 9A Hmm, I wonder what is different. I am 6 feet tall and flew with a friend today who is six feet one and had the booster cushion on his side under the comfort aero seats and he also had plenty of head room. Mine has a 160 hp Superior engine with a 3 blade Cato prop and at WOT it will turn 2800 rpm and 170 kts. I normally cruise at 8500 ft and 2350 rpm leaned 25 degrees LOP and burn 5.8 gph at 135 kts. The tip up has much better access to the avionics. *From:* owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *GARY PENNINGTON *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:34 PM *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hello Perry Thanks so much for your response. I am 6'3" tall. I might have a problem in the 9A. I've built other airplanes and hit my head on the canopy too. Thanks again Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Matthew Schlegel<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nite97m@gmail.com> *To:* rv9-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv9-list@matronics.com> *Sent:* Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:35 PM *Subject:* Re: RV9-List: RV 9A Hi Perry, Is your 9A a slider or tip-up? I'm also in the process of getting ready to start building a 9A, so all the little bits like that can help with design choices and such along the way. Matthew Blue Skies & Soft Landings http://www.mattshangar.info http://www.schlegelhome.info On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14, Perry Yaremchuk <payaremchuk@gmail.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=payaremchuk@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Gary, I bought a flying -9a a few years ago. I have only 30 or so hours on it, but can give you a bit of feedback. first, some would say you should tell US what you want to do, and then we can respond whether the -9a does it well. otherwise, people will say....'oh they've great, but just not as fast as a -7" is that really helpful? a -9a with a 180hp and optimized prop is said to be just a few knots slower. One of my surprises, and that can't really be fixed, is there is no headroom. I am 5' 10and a bit, with an 32 inseam. I have minimal padding in the seat bottom, but am always banging my headset on the canopy. I can drop an inch by removing all the padding, but don't like the view over the cowl. I guess you could call that 'compromise #1' I'll try to comment further later. thx Perry 0-320 w/ Sensenich fp On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 5:53 AM, GARY PENNINGTON <pennington@q.com<http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pennington@q.com>> wrote: Hello everyone I'm thinking of building an RV 9A. 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