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1. 08:13 AM - RV-9 as LSA (racerjerry)
2. 08:24 AM - Re: Anyone here? (racerjerry)
3. 10:32 AM - Re: RV-9 as LSA (William DeLacey)
4. 12:10 PM - Re: RV-9 as LSA (racerjerry)
5. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: RV-9 as LSA (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 05:11 PM - Re: RV-9 as LSA (racerjerry)
7. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: RV-9 as LSA (Dennis Thomas)
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(Continued from Anyone here? discussion, p2)
Hi RV9 Ralph,
Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First
of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue. Let
me begin with your closing statement Is it worth it? If, for example, your
next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard
(B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with
both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit?
I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning
to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about
medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route talk about endless
frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules
were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA rules
included a Cessna 150 or152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade
down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class
retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but I
doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their
infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to 99
years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over
1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense too).
At least two RV-9s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport Aircraft.
One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to
build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross weight
of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding
the rules and I dont know of all the changes that were required to fit within
the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum speed,
it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability.
RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane.
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Jerry King
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Ahhhh, its good to stir the pot once in awhile just to liven things up!
Thanks, all.
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Jerry King
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Jerry,
I responded to your original post for that reason. I am slightly more than half
way through a RV9. Last year a medication cost me six months grounded while
the FAA reviewed everything. No health or performance issues with me just medical
wisdom. Now do I try again, or drop medical, if you lose once the LSA
option is gone forever.
Sell my RV9? Gamble another year? RV9 LSA? All things must be considered.
If I felt unsafe medically , it would be easy. I would ground myself. Do I continue
to put time into an RV build that I may never fly?
I will continue to check out this thread on the RV LSA, but it appears to be like
the old Cubs and other legacy aircraft. A large pilot and fuel and you are
over gross.
Those with sharp comments, might try to walk in others shoes.
On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:42 AM, racerjerry wrote:
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> (Continued from Anyone here? discussion, p2)
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> Hi RV9 Ralph,
> Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First
of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue.
Let me begin with your closing statement Is it worth it? If, for example, your
next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard
(B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with
both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit?
>
> I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning
to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about
medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route talk about endless
frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules
were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA
rules included a Cessna 150 or152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade
down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class
retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but
I doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their
infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to
99 years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over
1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense
too).
>
> At least two RV-9s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport
Aircraft. One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to
build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross
weight of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding
the rules and I dont know of all the changes that were required to fit
within the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum
speed, it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability.
>
> RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane.
>
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> Jerry King
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335399#335399
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Hi whd721,
First, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worrying
about the darned medical.
Not that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide to
go for the exam and your medical is denied. At that point, you can try and qualify
for a wavier and once you get it, never take another FAA medical again and
go fly LSAbut you probably already know that. See my previous post regarding
cubic money, endless frustration and wasted time.
As you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns wont
detract too much from your joy in building that wonderful RV-9 airplane. At least
you are at a point where a choice is still available.
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Jerry King
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My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to
"Deny" a medical.=C2- On the other hand they are quick to ask for further
information or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reevalu
ate their position.=C2- Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA
's medical support plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA medica
l review works.
Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?
John Kerr
Arterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying on Special Issuance Medical Certifi
cate.
Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic
----- Original Message -----
From: "racerjerry" <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:40:06 PM
Subject: RV9-List: Re: RV-9 as LSA
Hi whd721,
First, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worry
ing about the darned medical. =C2-
Not that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide
to go for the exam and your medical is denied. =C2-At that point, you ca
n try and qualify for a wavier and once you get it, never take another FAA
medical again and go fly LSA=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but you probably already k
now that. =C2-See my previous post regarding cubic money, endless frustra
tion and wasted time.
As you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns w
on=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t detract too much from your joy in building that
wonderful RV-9 airplane. =C2-At least you are at a point where a choice
is still available.
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Jerry King
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Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I hope that you are feeling well. We certainly did breathe some life into this dormant forum today. Your suggestion of utilizing AOPAs Medical Support Plan is a good one. www.leftseat.com has a lot of free info on their site that provides help in navigating the medical quagmire too. Missteps can be problematic.
Quoting you: "Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?"
Your question deserves a serious answer. The short answer is NO.
I am neither a medical doctor nor aviation attorney, so I would like to refer you to the EAA www.sportpilot.org web site where their FAQ section seems to provide direct answers to your question. Please go to the site and search the FAQ for special issuance as I have. Note only questions appear and you must click on the question text to view the answer. I know that you will be pleasantly surprised.
Specifically, look at:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=121
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=136
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=493
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=133
Keep in mind that as an operator of Light Sport Aircraft, that we must Not know
or have reason to know of any medical condition that would make that person unable
to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner. This is somewhat open
to interpretation. If you feel fit and safe to fly, I see no barriers. Good
Luck!
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Jerry King
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I'm borderline high blood pressure. Normally I'm well within limits but
=0Aoccasionally it spikes to higher than FAA allows.=0A=0AThe thing to do i
s find a friendly Flight Physical Guy. I have one. What I did =0Awas told
him my concern and asked not for a Flight Physical but just a regular =0Aa
nnual Physical Exam. No forms were filled out, I passed the standards of a
=0AFlight Physical we then proceeded with the paper work and I'm good for
2 more =0Ayears.=0A=0ADennis Thomas=0ARV9 N164DV=0A580 hours=0A=0ADo Not Ar
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My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to
=0A"Deny" a medical. On the other hand they are quick to ask for further
=0Ainformation or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reeva
luate =0Atheir position. Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA
's medical =0Asupport plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA med
ical review works.=0A =0AOnce a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not remov
ed as an option?=0A =0AJohn Kerr=0AArterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying
on Special Issuance Medical Certificate.=0AKitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic=0A=0A-
---- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "racerjerry" <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>=0A
rjerry" <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>=0A=0AHi whd721,=0A=0AFirst, I am very glad
to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worrying =0Aabout the darne
d medical. =0A=0ANot that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY
lost if you decide to =0Ago for the exam and your medical is denied. At th
at point, you can try and =0Aqualify for a wavier and once you get it, neve
r take another FAA medical again =0Aand go fly LSA=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but
you probably already know that. See my previous post =0Aregarding cubic mo
ney, endless frustration and wasted time.=0A=0AAs you said, all things must
be considered, but I hope that your concerns =0Awon=C3=A2=82=AC=84
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--------=0AJerry King=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:
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