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1. 07:02 PM - Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA (John)
2. 08:15 PM - Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA (RScott)
3. 08:50 PM - Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA (John)
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| Subject: | RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA |
I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an
experimental.
If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly
it with a sport pilot license with its requirements.
There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP
license.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business.
Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't
mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok,
some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government
thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look
like good ideas, especially if you want them to be.
I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has
been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with
medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half
done RV-9A in the garage.
So, I have to ask,
Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to
modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to
downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And
when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the
resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an
RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as
an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9.
So here is my situation and my own reasoning.
My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing
the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a
potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly
finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about
typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time
and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all
is not a waste of time--I got an education.
If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air
before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a
project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a
-9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a
project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner.
As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA,
so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business.
Dick Scott
Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's)
503-630-4739
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA |
Yes and no, I misspoke or rather miswrote. When you license the plane,
as the manufacturer you designate the gross weight. My understanding
is that it is difficult to get an approval to change the gross weight.
Could be wrong, but that's my understanding. If I am right, it will
always be restricted to the LSA specs.
On 2011-04-05 18:59, John wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "John"<Jdaniel343@bresnan.net>
>
> I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an
> experimental.
> If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly
> it with a sport pilot license with its requirements.
> There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP
> license.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9& RV-4 as LSA
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: RScott<rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
>
> I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business.
>
> Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't
> mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok,
> some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government
> thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look
> like good ideas, especially if you want them to be.
>
> I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has
> been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with
> medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half
> done RV-9A in the garage.
>
> So, I have to ask,
>
> Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to
> modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to
> downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And
> when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the
> resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an
> RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as
> an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9.
>
> So here is my situation and my own reasoning.
>
> My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing
> the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a
> potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly
> finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about
> typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time
> and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all
> is not a waste of time--I got an education.
>
> If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air
> before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a
> project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a
> -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a
> project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner.
>
> As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA,
> so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business.
>
> Dick Scott
> Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's)
> 503-630-4739
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA |
Yes I think you are right. Once the gross weight is set, you will not be
able to have that changed. It will always have to fly with the restrictions
that were set when one has the plane registered.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9 & RV-4 as LSA
Yes and no, I misspoke or rather miswrote. When you license the plane,
as the manufacturer you designate the gross weight. My understanding
is that it is difficult to get an approval to change the gross weight.
Could be wrong, but that's my understanding. If I am right, it will
always be restricted to the LSA specs.
On 2011-04-05 18:59, John wrote:
> --> RV9-List message posted by: "John"<Jdaniel343@bresnan.net>
>
> I may be wrong but, you don't register the RV-9 as LSA but as an
> experimental.
> If the aircraft meets the weight and performance of a LSA you can then fly
> it with a sport pilot license with its requirements.
> There are many planes that are certificated that can be flown with a LSP
> license.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RScott
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:29 PM
> To: rv9-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV9-List: RV-9& RV-4 as LSA
>
> --> RV9-List message posted by: RScott<rscott@cascadeaccess.com>
>
> I have to wonder about this RV-9 as an LSA business.
>
> Yes, it has been done, but just because something can be done doesn't
> mean it's a great idea. Ford thought the Edsel was a great idea (ok,
> some of you are too young to know about the Edsel), the government
> thought ethanol in gas was a great idea, etc. Lots of bad ideas look
> like good ideas, especially if you want them to be.
>
> I understand the heartbreak of giving up a project that a person has
> been working on for years--I am in that exact situation myself with
> medical issues that make my passing a physical questionable and a half
> done RV-9A in the garage.
>
> So, I have to ask,
>
> Why? The plane designed for LSA is the -12, not the -9. So you have to
> modify and watch every gram to keep the weight down. You have to
> downgrade the prop and engine from what the plane could have had. And
> when you are done, if you are concerned about money, will it have the
> resale value? A buyer looking for an LSA RV would logically look for an
> RV-12 which would have a better payload. And once a -9 is registered as
> an LSA, it is LSA forever, so it will always be a bastardized RV-9.
>
> So here is my situation and my own reasoning.
>
> My project is for sale. The only justification I can see for finishing
> the -9 is if I thought my workmanship was super and the plane was a
> potential prize winner so I could charge big bucks for the newly
> finished airplane. But realistically, my workmanship is probably about
> typical, so why finish it? Why make it LSA-- just because I have time
> and emotion invested in it? I learned a lot while working on it so all
> is not a waste of time--I got an education.
>
> If I want an LSA RV, I'll build a -12 and probably have it in the air
> before I could have finished the -9A anyway. Or I can wait until a
> project is abandoned and have it in the air even faster. Having built a
> -9 part way, I can do a decent job of evaluating workmanship on a
> project and I can build it faster than I would as a beginner.
>
> As it is, my Interstate Cadet that I have flown for 20 years is an LSA,
> so it may just be a matter of getting out of the building business.
>
> Dick Scott
> Estacada, OR (28 miles from Van's)
> 503-630-4739
>
>
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