---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/09/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: [Mid-AtlRVwing] Zack (formation clinic) (Lenleg@aol.com) 2. 06:22 AM - SERV Fly In Participation (Lenleg@aol.com) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (SportAV8R@aol.com) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (steve) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Lenleg@aol.com) 6. 07:51 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Larry Bowen) 7. 07:52 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Larry Bowen) 8. 07:55 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Lenleg@aol.com) 9. 07:57 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Lenleg@aol.com) 10. 08:04 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (SportAV8R@aol.com) 11. 08:19 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Larry Bowen) 12. 10:41 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Steve Glasgow) 13. 10:44 AM - Re: SERV Fly In Participation (Steve Glasgow) 14. 11:17 AM - Re: Introduction and Hangar Help --was : SERV Fly In Participation (Lori Millsap) 15. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Introduction and Hangar Help --was : SERV Fly In Pa... (Lenleg@aol.com) 16. 06:27 PM - (no subject) (TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com) 17. 06:51 PM - Re: (no subject) (N184FN@aol.com) 18. 08:24 PM - RV4 flys (N136CH@webtv.net (Charlie Hall)) 19. 08:41 PM - Re: RV4 flys (Larry Bowen) 20. 09:02 PM - Meylor Movies (Larry Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:12 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: [Mid-AtlRVwing] Zack (formation clinic) --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 8/8/04 11:11:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zackrv8@verizon.net writes: Leggs, As an Airline pilot, I won't know my schedule until the first week of September for the October bid month. I'll try and get it off but I won't know until then. I will be going to Las Cruces this year but plan to be back by the 20th. How many people would attend this? Of course another problem would be the weather. If all the Ducks fall in a row, I would love to do it. Zack Zack: If you don't mind keeping me posted on your schedule ... we can try to plan accordingly. We have almost 100 memebers in SERV now ... sure not everyone will attend but we are very interested in formation flying. I think you will find a very enthusiastic audience. I am sure we can room at someone's house for you to stay if you want to come down a day early or stay a day longer !! Len ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:02 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com SERV: I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 RVs flying in .... We have almost 100 members in SERV now. It is very dissappointing when someone like Wayne8 (last month) and Dean Meylor (yesterday) go to all the trouble of planning and buying lunch for the group ..... then only a few show up. There was very little response on the SERV list ... very little interest in coming ... I hate to ask someone to host an outing if no one is going to participate???????? We are getting a great group of core guys in SERV that are making an effort to attend the events and make the SERV idea work. I really hate to see everyone miss out on fun flying with a bunch of good people. Yesterday at Dean's we had: Len Leggette - RV-8A Wayne Williams - RV-8 Bill "Stormy" Boyd - RV-6A Mike Barbee - RV-6 Radomir and Ty drove in from Charlotte Larry and Pam drove in from Advance Dean and Jeanene hosted Mike Barbee is planning an event for the end of October. That is enough advance notice for us all to mark our calendars accordingly ... let's really try to support Mike in his efforts. Looks like the next SERV event will be the Virginia State flyin in September. It is on the calendar on the SERV site. Any ideas on increasing participation would be welcome !!! How about a flight down to Calabash for lunch soon ... wives would like that ????? Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, N.C. N910LL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:48 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Len: they offer on-field camping at Petersburg for the VA state fly-in, in case you haven't had your fill of tents and sleeping bags at OSH ;-) I'm thinking about it. You didn't snore at OSH, so you can be my neighbor again. Question is, could I interest anyone in sharing my tent? Andrew has probably had enough for awhile (he liked your arrangement of having one tent each for you and Chris). Maybe Miriam's sense of adventure will get the best of her... -Stormy ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:41 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "steve" I might be able to host one. I am at Miller Airpark, NC 30 2200' very smooth grass strip. I have my own hanger with restroom and plenty of space to park. Perhaps late Sept or Oct. Steve VanHoy N57 ME RV-6a 704-799-0690 Cell: 704-682-0191 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com SERV: I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 RVs flying in .... We have almost 100 members in SERV now. It is very dissappointing when someone like Wayne8 (last month) and Dean Meylor (yesterday) go to all the trouble of planning and buying lunch for the group ..... then only a few show up. There was very little response on the SERV list ... very little interest in coming ... I hate to ask someone to host an outing if no one is going to participate???????? We are getting a great group of core guys in SERV that are making an effort to attend the events and make the SERV idea work. I really hate to see everyone miss out on fun flying with a bunch of good people. Yesterday at Dean's we had: Len Leggette - RV-8A Wayne Williams - RV-8 Bill "Stormy" Boyd - RV-6A Mike Barbee - RV-6 Radomir and Ty drove in from Charlotte Larry and Pam drove in from Advance Dean and Jeanene hosted Mike Barbee is planning an event for the end of October. That is enough advance notice for us all to mark our calendars accordingly ... let's really try to support Mike in his efforts. Looks like the next SERV event will be the Virginia State flyin in September. It is on the calendar on the SERV site. Any ideas on increasing participation would be welcome !!! How about a flight down to Calabash for lunch soon ... wives would like that ????? Len Leggette, RV-8A Greensboro, N.C. N910LL ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:16 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/04 9:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SportAV8R@aol.com writes: Len: they offer on-field camping at Petersburg for the VA state fly-in, in case you haven't had your fill of tents and sleeping bags at OSH ;-) I'm thinking about it. You didn't snore at OSH, so you can be my neighbor again. Question is, could I interest anyone in sharing my tent? Andrew has probably had enough for awhile (he liked your arrangement of having one tent each for you and Chris). Maybe Miriam's sense of adventure will get the best of her... -Stormy There has been some discussion of having group attend and camp together ... I am up for it (in my own tent !!)!! Len ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation From: "Larry Bowen" --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The best thing to do is to keep having fun and sharing it with the group via emails and pictures. This will entice others to join in if able. Another thing to keep in mind is the number of RV's flying in our group vs those still under construction or still dreaming. Since RVBOGTT became SERV, have we had a "shop visit"? I think all the events have been fly outs. Which have been fantastic, but I remember the old days when shop visits were fun and helpful too. We should remind people who are still building that they are welcome and qualified to host a get-together too. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Lenleg@aol.com said: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > SERV: > > I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our > monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 > RVs flying > in .... > > We have almost 100 members in SERV now. It is very dissappointing when > someone like Wayne8 (last month) and Dean Meylor (yesterday) go to all the > trouble > of planning and buying lunch for the group ..... then only a few show up. > > There was very little response on the SERV list ... very little interest > in > coming ... > > I hate to ask someone to host an outing if no one is going to > participate???????? > > We are getting a great group of core guys in SERV that are making an > effort > to attend the events and make the SERV idea work. I really hate to see > everyone miss out on fun flying with a bunch of good people. Yesterday at > Dean's we > had: > > Len Leggette - RV-8A > Wayne Williams - RV-8 > Bill "Stormy" Boyd - RV-6A > Mike Barbee - RV-6 > Radomir and Ty drove in from Charlotte > Larry and Pam drove in from Advance > Dean and Jeanene hosted > > Mike Barbee is planning an event for the end of October. That is enough > advance notice for us all to mark our calendars accordingly ... let's > really try > to support Mike in his efforts. Looks like the next SERV event will be > the > Virginia State flyin in September. It is on the calendar on the SERV > site. > > Any ideas on increasing participation would be welcome !!! How about a > flight down to Calabash for lunch soon ... wives would like that ????? > > Len Leggette, RV-8A > Greensboro, N.C. N910LL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation From: "Larry Bowen" --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Sounds great. Pick a day and I'll put it on the calendar. Thx, - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com/serv steve said: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "steve" > > I might be able to host one. I am at Miller Airpark, NC 30 2200' very > smooth grass strip. I have my own hanger with restroom and plenty of space > to park. Perhaps late Sept or Oct. > > Steve VanHoy N57 ME RV-6a > > 704-799-0690 > Cell: 704-682-0191 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > Lenleg@aol.com > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > SERV: > > I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our > monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 > RVs flying > in .... > > We have almost 100 members in SERV now. It is very dissappointing when > someone like Wayne8 (last month) and Dean Meylor (yesterday) go to all the > trouble > of planning and buying lunch for the group ..... then only a few show up. > > There was very little response on the SERV list ... very little interest > in > coming ... > > I hate to ask someone to host an outing if no one is going to > participate???????? > > We are getting a great group of core guys in SERV that are making an > effort > to attend the events and make the SERV idea work. I really hate to see > everyone miss out on fun flying with a bunch of good people. Yesterday at > Dean's we > had: > > Len Leggette - RV-8A > Wayne Williams - RV-8 > Bill "Stormy" Boyd - RV-6A > Mike Barbee - RV-6 > Radomir and Ty drove in from Charlotte > Larry and Pam drove in from Advance > Dean and Jeanene hosted > > Mike Barbee is planning an event for the end of October. That is enough > advance notice for us all to mark our calendars accordingly ... let's > really > try > to support Mike in his efforts. Looks like the next SERV event will be > the > Virginia State flyin in September. It is on the calendar on the SERV > site. > > Any ideas on increasing participation would be welcome !!! How about a > flight down to Calabash for lunch soon ... wives would like that ????? > > Len Leggette, RV-8A > Greensboro, N.C. N910LL > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:08 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/04 10:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pacer20@alltel.net writes: I might be able to host one. I am at Miller Airpark, NC 30 2200' very smooth grass strip. I have my own hanger with restroom and plenty of space to park. Perhaps late Sept or Oct. Steve VanHoy N57 ME RV-6a 704-799-0690 Cell: 704-682-0191 Steve: I really appreciate you stepping forward ... hosting can be as much or as little as you want it to be. Just having a place to fly into is the goal. You can ask the group to bring something or simply have a coke !!! Thanks !! Len ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:08 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/04 10:51:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Larry@bowenaero.com writes: Another thing to keep in mind is the number of RV's flying in our group vs those still under construction or still dreaming. Since RVBOGTT became SERV, have we had a "shop visit"? I think all the events have been fly outs. Which have been fantastic, but I remember the old days when shop visits were fun and helpful too. We should remind people who are still building that they are welcome and qualified to host a get-together too. This is very true guys .... if you are still building ... please consider inviting us over to see the project ... that is how we got started years ago. You will be surprised how many will come and you can get lots of advice too !!! Len ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:51 AM PST US From: SportAV8R@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com Shop visit - great idea! Let's go visit Bob the Engine Builder at his shop and see if we can help him tear down and fix Larry's new engine. Call it "friendly persuasion" to help speed the process along ;-) -Stormy ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation From: "Larry Bowen" --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Good idea, but I'll sit that one out. Sort like watching someone make sausage. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com SportAV8R@aol.com said: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com > > Shop visit - great idea! Let's go visit Bob the Engine Builder at his > shop and see if we can help him tear down and fix Larry's new engine. > Call it "friendly persuasion" to help speed the process along ;-) > > -Stormy > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:45 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" I agree! Steve Glasgow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. > > The best thing to do is to keep having fun and sharing it with the group > via emails and pictures. This will entice others to join in if able. > > Another thing to keep in mind is the number of RV's flying in our group vs > those still under construction or still dreaming. Since RVBOGTT became > SERV, have we had a "shop visit"? I think all the events have been fly > outs. Which have been fantastic, but I remember the old days when shop > visits were fun and helpful too. We should remind people who are still > building that they are welcome and qualified to host a get-together too. > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > Lenleg@aol.com said: > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > > > SERV: > > > > I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our > > monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 > > RVs flying > > in .... > > > > We have almost 100 members in SERV now. It is very dissappointing when > > someone like Wayne8 (last month) and Dean Meylor (yesterday) go to all the > > trouble > > of planning and buying lunch for the group ..... then only a few show up. > > > > There was very little response on the SERV list ... very little interest > > in > > coming ... > > > > I hate to ask someone to host an outing if no one is going to > > participate???????? > > > > We are getting a great group of core guys in SERV that are making an > > effort > > to attend the events and make the SERV idea work. I really hate to see > > everyone miss out on fun flying with a bunch of good people. Yesterday at > > Dean's we > > had: > > > > Len Leggette - RV-8A > > Wayne Williams - RV-8 > > Bill "Stormy" Boyd - RV-6A > > Mike Barbee - RV-6 > > Radomir and Ty drove in from Charlotte > > Larry and Pam drove in from Advance > > Dean and Jeanene hosted > > > > Mike Barbee is planning an event for the end of October. That is enough > > advance notice for us all to mark our calendars accordingly ... let's > > really try > > to support Mike in his efforts. Looks like the next SERV event will be > > the > > Virginia State flyin in September. It is on the calendar on the SERV > > site. > > > > Any ideas on increasing participation would be welcome !!! How about a > > flight down to Calabash for lunch soon ... wives would like that ????? > > > > Len Leggette, RV-8A > > Greensboro, N.C. N910LL > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:43 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" I'm off and planning on going to Virginia State Fly-In. There is camping on site and I'm planning on camping. Steve Glasgow ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > In a message dated 8/9/04 9:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SportAV8R@aol.com > writes: > Len: they offer on-field camping at Petersburg for the VA state fly-in, in > case you haven't had your fill of tents and sleeping bags at OSH ;-) > > I'm thinking about it. You didn't snore at OSH, so you can be my neighbor > again. Question is, could I interest anyone in sharing my tent? Andrew has > probably had enough for awhile (he liked your arrangement of having one tent each > for you and Chris). Maybe Miriam's sense of adventure will get the best of > her... > > -Stormy > There has been some discussion of having group attend and camp together ... I > am up for it (in my own tent !!)!! > > Len > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:21 AM PST US From: "Lori Millsap" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Introduction and Hangar Help --was : SERV Fly In Participation --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Lori Millsap" Hello, all, Dennis and I are in the middle of our move from 08A, Wetumpka, AL to Greenville, NC, and found this list just this week. I haven't had a chance to introduce us yet (we are literally home for today only while we repack from a weekend funeral and then head out on the drive tomorrow). Dennis will be the new Professor of Aerospace Studies at the AFROTC detachment at East Carolina University starting next week. We sold our house here, but have nowhere to live there yet. We are having enormous difficulty finding a place to hangar our two-year-old RV-6A, and it's really causing Dennis to begin to regret the move. I think the only nights that plane has spent outdoors is at fly-ins. GRIN! Dennis will be flying to Hillsborough tomorrow (where my Jeep broke down on the first trip up to Greenville house-hunting) to retrieve the Jeep, and then we'll be driving/flying/ferrying two cars and a plane somehow from Hillsborough to *SOME PLACE* around Greenville to store the plane. If he can't find hangar space, or if we can't find a house with a runway (grin), then I think he'll seriously contemplate selling the RV-6A...which would just break his heart (and mine). We are also building a RV-10 (empecone complete, wings on hold at Van's until we get resettled), so needless to say we need both a workshop and a hangar. If you have any tips on a hangar, please call us at home today 334-285-1576 or on the cell phone any time this week 334-315-1713. I'll be driving and he's flying this time, but after we get relocated we are always VERY active in the local flying community and cannot wait to get busy flying out to socials, or hosting get-togethers ourselves. (c: Thanks for any help you can offer, Lori and Dennis Millsap N464DM, RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 #40112 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Fly In Participation > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com > > SERV: > > I am concerned about the amount of participation we are getting on our > monthly fly ins / get togethers. It seems we are getting the same 4 or 5 RVs flying > in .... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:23 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Introduction and Hangar Help --was : SERV Fly In Pa... --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/04 2:17:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmillsap@elmore.rr.com writes: If you have any tips on a hangar, please call us at home today 334-285-1576 or on the cell phone any time this week 334-315-1713. I'll be driving and he's flying this time, but after we get relocated we are always VERY active in the local flying community and cannot wait to get busy flying out to socials, or hosting get-togethers ourselves. (c: Thanks for any help you can offer, Lori and Dennis Millsap N464DM, RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 #40112 Guys: I know a few people still in Greenville .... GO PIRATES ... my wife and I both went to ECU and now my son is a sophmore there .... let's help these very active Team RV guys out !!! If you know anyone ... I am making phone calls right now ... just spoke with Lori on the phone !! Len ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:30 PM PST US From: TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: (no subject) --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com Dean, we had a great time yesterday. Thanks for everything. Mike ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:19 PM PST US From: N184FN@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: (no subject) --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N184FN@aol.com Mike, If your friend is interested in my 8 I think I am going to order an 10. Tell him I am going to put it in trade-a-plane next week..thanks W8 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:08 PM PST US From: N136CH@webtv.net (Charlie Hall) Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV4 flys --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N136CH@webtv.net (Charlie Hall) Jerome Tuttle took my RV4 up for its first flight August 1. He flew it another 1 1/2 hours today. My insurance company says I have to get 5 hrs dual in a RV before I can fly it myself. Charlie Hall N136CH 2 hours ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:36 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV4 flys --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Congrats. That's awesome!! - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Hall [mailto:N136CH@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:24 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV4 flys > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N136CH@webtv.net > (Charlie Hall) > > Jerome Tuttle took my RV4 up for its first flight August 1. > He flew it another 1 1/2 hours today. My insurance company > says I have to get 5 hrs dual in a RV before I can fly it myself. > Charlie Hall > N136CH > 2 hours > > > ============ > Matronics Forums. > ============ > ============ > ============ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:39 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Meylor Movies --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Amateur built, 8.5 MB or less, each. http://bowenaero.com/pix/movies/len2.wmv http://bowenaero.com/pix/movies/stormy1.mpg http://bowenaero.com/pix/movies/wayne6.mpg - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com