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1. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (pierre smith)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (Larry Bowen)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: AWAL (DWENSING@aol.com)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: AWAL (Larry Bowen)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Sunday Formation in Columbia CANCELLED (James E. Clark)
6. 07:45 AM - Stormy checking in... (SportAV8R@aol.com)
7. 08:21 AM - Re: Stormy checking in... (Larry Bowen)
8. 09:52 AM - Larry-oil leak (BOB martin)
9. 12:17 PM - Re: AWAL (Robert Dickson)
10. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (DAVID DAVENPORT)
11. 04:15 PM - Re: AWAL (Bill Repucci)
12. 04:54 PM - Re: AWAL (Larry Bowen)
13. 05:04 PM - Re: LEAKS (Larry Bowen)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (bill crothers)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (Larry Bowen)
16. 07:14 PM - Re: LEAKS (Robert Dickson)
17. 07:19 PM - Re: AWAL (Robert Dickson)
18. 08:59 PM - Re: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK (mister murphy)
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| Subject: | RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "pierre smith" <pierrejs@hotmail.com>
<EM>Hi Larry.</EM>
<EM> If, on a Saturday, you guys have no place to go, consider OKZ. It is Sandersville,
Ga where an -8, -7 and -4 are housed with another -8 under construction
plus a -6 undergoing refurbishing and an almost ready to fly -7 Eggenfellner.
The three planes under construction are side by side in Ray Lawrence's hangar
(he's also the airport manager 478 552 9136). I'm 24 miles from him in Louisville
Ga (2J3). Both our airports have 5000 fet and avgas. I'm building my-6A
in my hangar.</EM>
<EM> Regards, Pierre Smith 478 625 3586 days</EM>
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| Subject: | RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Sounds like an excellent destination. Thanks Pierre!
-
Larry Bowen, RV8, airworthy @ 8A7
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pierre smith [mailto:pierrejs@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:54 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
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> <EM>Hi Larry.</EM>
>
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> <EM> If, on a Saturday, you guys have no place to go,
> consider OKZ. It is Sandersville, Ga where an -8, -7 and -4
> are housed with another -8 under construction plus a -6
> undergoing refurbishing and an almost ready to fly -7
> Eggenfellner. The three planes under construction are side by
> side in Ray Lawrence's hangar (he's also the airport manager
> 478 552 9136). I'm 24 miles from him in Louisville Ga (2J3).
> Both our airports have 5000 fet and avgas. I'm building my-6A
> in my hangar.</EM>
>
>
> <EM> Regards, Pierre Smith 478 625 3586 days</EM>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My RV-8 is airworthy!!
>
>
Larry, what was determined to be the reason the prop would not function?
Dale Ensing
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
There was a drain hole on the interior of the engine case that is used for
fixed-pitch prop situations. This hole needs to be plugged if a CS prop is
to be used. The engine builder overlooked it. The only way to fix it is to
split the case and plug the hole. The whole story is on my web site.
Anyway, I'm glad it's behind me. However...before the tear-down, my engine
was dry -- no oil leaks. No that it's been reassembled, there is an oil
leak at the rear of the engine where the sump meets the case. Dang it.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWENSING@aol.com [mailto:DWENSING@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>
>
> > Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My
> RV-8 is airworthy!!
> >
> >
>
> Larry, what was determined to be the reason the prop would
> not function?
> Dale Ensing
>
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| Subject: | Sunday Formation in Columbia CANCELLED |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Sorry folks that we had to cancel but after talking it over with Len and Ken
we figured it would NOT be a good experience. We got several pireps in the
area of significant winds and gusts.
We *will* re-schedule.
James
(might as well do some maintenace as it will be raining here for the rest of
the week :-( )
{SNIP}
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> Dave & Paul ...
>
> Just got a call from James in Columbia ... we are cancelled until
> a later
> date. ... too windy !!
>
> Len
>
>
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| Subject: | Stormy checking in... |
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Guys (and Dolls): Yuck - lousy weather today: overcast and drizzly. Good day for
an annual condx inspection. I'm faced with changing out my nose wheelpant
attach brackets AGAIN for crack failures... this time just the aft pair that
mount to the axle bolt.. I guess the recent low tire pressure episode (7 psi -
an almost-flat) caused a lot of drag on the pants and over-torqued the aluminum.
It left a lot of tire rubber on the aft edge of the wheel pant cutout where
it rubbed. I just did this same repair after my mishap in the chuck hole at
Wayne8's place last winter; it's getting old! Good thing I didn't repaint the
pant after the earlier repair, because it's time once again to drill out and
replace rivets! My low tire pressure has (I hope) been corrected with a replacement
valve stem. The soapy water test was positive for a miniscule leak there.
Hard to imagine a defect in the tube itself that would only leak a pound
of air pressure a day, so I think I've found the culprit.
Page two: I have feelers out to the various B&B's on Tangier Island regarding the
availability of overnight accomodations Sept. 25th, for those interestd in
going out to the island from the Hummel Plane and Car show. I will let you know
what I find out. Looks like $100/double is the going room rate, and one place
will include an all-you-can-eat seafood dinner for that price.
And now, the rest of the story: the fall color fly-in at my place (weenie roast??)
will include an added bonus: our youngest Golden Retriever just delivered
her litter of 10 puppies last night, and they should be really cute by October
9th :-) Heck, they're already cute! These little furballs won't be ready to
leave momma for another two weeks or so after the fly-in, so if you develop a
strong attachment, you'll have to come back later to take your new buddy home.
I'm told they fly well in a cardboard box, with a tiny ANC headset to protect
their little ears...
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Stormy checking in... |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Maybe, I don't think I'll be able to leave the nest by the 25th. But it
sounds like it could be worth the drive up there. Share puppy pictures!
I finally fenaggled the top cowl on last night. The rubber baffleing put up
a fight. I'm left wondering if I made the baffling too close-fitting to the
cowl.....
My 'new again' engine has an oil leak at the back of the engine where the
sump bolts to the case. It looses about two drops overnight after an engine
run. For the Lycoming experienced out there, should I consider myself
lucky, or try to fix it. How?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SportAV8R@aol.com [mailto:SportAV8R@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:45 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy checking in... 0.50
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> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Guys (and Dolls): Yuck - lousy weather today: overcast and
> drizzly. Good day for an annual condx inspection. I'm faced
> with changing out my nose wheelpant attach brackets AGAIN
> for crack failures... this time just the aft pair that mount
> to the axle bolt.. I guess the recent low tire pressure
> episode (7 psi - an almost-flat) caused a lot of drag on the
> pants and over-torqued the aluminum. It left a lot of tire
> rubber on the aft edge of the wheel pant cutout where it
> rubbed. I just did this same repair after my mishap in the
> chuck hole at Wayne8's place last winter; it's getting old!
> Good thing I didn't repaint the pant after the earlier
> repair, because it's time once again to drill out and replace
> rivets! My low tire pressure has (I hope) been corrected
> with a replacement valve stem. The soapy water test was
> positive for a miniscule leak there. Hard to imagine a
> defect in the tube itself that would only leak a pound of air
> pressure a day, so I think I've found the cu!
> lprit.
>
> Page two: I have feelers out to the various B&B's on Tangier
> Island regarding the availability of overnight accomodations
> Sept. 25th, for those interestd in going out to the island
> from the Hummel Plane and Car show. I will let you know what
> I find out. Looks like $100/double is the going room rate,
> and one place will include an all-you-can-eat seafood dinner
> for that price.
>
> And now, the rest of the story: the fall color fly-in at my
> place (weenie roast??) will include an added bonus: our
> youngest Golden Retriever just delivered her litter of 10
> puppies last night, and they should be really cute by October
> 9th :-) Heck, they're already cute! These little furballs
> won't be ready to leave momma for another two weeks or so
> after the fly-in, so if you develop a strong attachment,
> you'll have to come back later to take your new buddy home.
> I'm told they fly well in a cardboard box, with a tiny ANC
> headset to protect their little ears...
>
> -Stormy
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "BOB martin" <libertyva@msn.com>
Larry, I'm still Lycoming challenged but your problem raises a question for
me as well.
my hanger mate and flying buddy Larry Burruss has an 0-360 A1A OH from
Aerosport 6 yrs ago before he bought his RV-6. It had several leaks that
we could fix except one small leak up around the front crank seal....we are
now almost expert and replacing the nose seal as we have done it 3 times,
maybe 4 I forget, so we think it isn't the nose seal but a case leak or
something that is hard to find up front. Like yours, it is a small leak.
Between 10-20 hrs cowl removal cycles, there are drops of oil hanging on the
lower parts of the front of the engine. Needless to say, it is dishearting
to not be able to fix this ourselves and we started thinking about paying
someone to disassemble the engine and reassemble to STOP the oil
leaks....once and for all....
While at Stormys fly-in cook out, river rafting event a few weeks ago, we
spoke to Bob Barrows about it and he estimated it to cost about 1500. based
on the new parts that would have to replaced in addition to the new gasket
set........
Now we are wondering if it or he could actually fix it or make it worse.....
So you are not alone in the leak department.
I understand you have to remove the engine to remove the rear accessory case
to redo the gasket.
Good Luck,
Bob Martin, Louisa VA
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson <robert@thenews-journal.com>
well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an engine that
came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360, constant speed. I flew it
the first time on July 30, 04. Shortly after I started flying I began
noticing a small puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that I'd find
after every flight. It seemed to be coming from under No. 3 cylinder.
The engine would not leak during ground running.
I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this leak. We
replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose part and clamps as
well, but no change. He decided the cylinder O ring must be damaged so
we puilled no. 3. Everything looked perfect so we put it all back
together. Still no change in the leak.
We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's quite a
job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the engine. That didn't
help either.
At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the pushrod
tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He also suggested I call
ECI who supplied the cylinder assemblies. They were very user friendly
and after a thorough discussion of the steps I had taken to find the
leak they said to send it back for testing.
During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal started
leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common area for leaks so
I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the cylinder back we decided to
change that seal just in case the oil from it was somehow getting back
under no. 3. I was learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention
becoming expert at cowl removal and installation.
After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more I still
had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I removed the cylinder.
I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there wasn't a 3-4
inch crack running circumferentially. I could even feel it with a
fingernail. it can also be seen from the outside now that I know it's
there. It will be returned to ECI tomorrow.
I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier still
that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while I was hunting
for it. It could easily have happened, I suspect. It's interesting that
the engine always ran strong and didn't use much oil. I don't believe
the engine builder has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want
to imply any. He's been very responsive during this process.
So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
Robert Dickson
Fayetteville NC
RV-6A 20.6 hours
On Sep 6, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> There was a drain hole on the interior of the engine case that is used
> for
> fixed-pitch prop situations. This hole needs to be plugged if a CS
> prop is
> to be used. The engine builder overlooked it. The only way to fix it
> is to
> split the case and plug the hole. The whole story is on my web site.
> Anyway, I'm glad it's behind me. However...before the tear-down, my
> engine
> was dry -- no oil leaks. No that it's been reassembled, there is an
> oil
> leak at the rear of the engine where the sump meets the case. Dang it.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DWENSING@aol.com [mailto:DWENSING@aol.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My
>> RV-8 is airworthy!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Larry, what was determined to be the reason the prop would
>> not function?
>> Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
If we go to "Mayberry", will Andy and Barney be there? I understand Opie is
a bit busy these days directing.......
David
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/5/2004 5:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>
> > Oh sure, we are always looking for a place to go. I think there is at
> > least
> > one builder up there, haven't heard from him in a while...
> >
> > I'll copy the group and see what they say.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: kelvinboyette@earthlink.net
> > >[mailto:kelvinboyette@earthlink.net]
> > >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:47 AM
> > >To: larry@bowenaero.com
> > >Subject: Hosting a RV Fly-In
> > >
> > >Larry,
> > >
> > >Does your RV group go on group fly outs? If so, I would love
> > >to host one on a Saturday coming up at Mount Airy (KMWK).
> > >Just send this out to your group and let me know any
> > >date/time you would want to come up and what they would want
> > >to do (go to "Mayberry", just have a hot dog cookout, etc.).
> > >If they want to go to Mayberry I can arrange for a 12
> > >passenger van with enough notice.
> > >
> > >I have already had a few of your RV'ers up here, and I would
> > >love to have a gaggle of RVs on the ramp!
> > >
> > >Just let me know if the group would like to come up.
> > >
> > >Thanks...
> > >
> > >Kelvin Boyette
> >
>
> Sounds good to me ....
>
> Len
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Robert,
In racing they have a saying, the engine always runs best just before it
self destructs.
Good to hear you found the problem on the ground!
BTW, do any of you have know a reputable source for Lycoming engine
parts and band saw blades. (I know they don't go together but I need
both new blades and engine parts.)
All of y'all's flying tales really make me want to hurry up and finish
my -9. The good news is, that my wedding is now less than a week away
and my bride to be was helping pound rivets this morning.
(http://www.repucci.com/bill/images/6%20days%20before%20the%20wedding.jp
g, the entire web site can be found at www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html.)
Bill R.
Huntersville, NC
RV-9 (Some day.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Dickson
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson
--> <robert@thenews-journal.com>
well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an engine that
came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360, constant speed. I flew it
the first time on July 30, 04. Shortly after I started flying I began
noticing a small puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that I'd find
after every flight. It seemed to be coming from under No. 3 cylinder.
The engine would not leak during ground running.
I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this leak. We
replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose part and clamps as
well, but no change. He decided the cylinder O ring must be damaged so
we puilled no. 3. Everything looked perfect so we put it all back
together. Still no change in the leak.
We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's quite a
job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the engine. That didn't
help either.
At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the pushrod
tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He also suggested I call
ECI who supplied the cylinder assemblies. They were very user friendly
and after a thorough discussion of the steps I had taken to find the
leak they said to send it back for testing.
During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal started
leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common area for leaks so
I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the cylinder back we decided to
change that seal just in case the oil from it was somehow getting back
under no. 3. I was learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention
becoming expert at cowl removal and installation.
After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more I still
had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I removed the cylinder.
I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there wasn't a 3-4
inch crack running circumferentially. I could even feel it with a
fingernail. it can also be seen from the outside now that I know it's
there. It will be returned to ECI tomorrow.
I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier still
that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while I was hunting
for it. It could easily have happened, I suspect. It's interesting that
the engine always ran strong and didn't use much oil. I don't believe
the engine builder has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want
to imply any. He's been very responsive during this process.
So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
Robert Dickson
Fayetteville NC
RV-6A 20.6 hours
On Sep 6, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> There was a drain hole on the interior of the engine case that is used
> for
> fixed-pitch prop situations. This hole needs to be plugged if a CS
> prop is
> to be used. The engine builder overlooked it. The only way to fix it
> is to
> split the case and plug the hole. The whole story is on my web site.
> Anyway, I'm glad it's behind me. However...before the tear-down, my
> engine
> was dry -- no oil leaks. No that it's been reassembled, there is an
> oil
> leak at the rear of the engine where the sump meets the case. Dang
it.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DWENSING@aol.com [mailto:DWENSING@aol.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My
>> RV-8 is airworthy!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Larry, what was determined to be the reason the prop would
>> not function?
>> Dale Ensing
>>
>>
>> ============
>> ============
>> ============
>> ============
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Jeez. There is plenty of misery to go around, isn't there!! I guess I
should be content with my tiny leak, as long as it doesn't increase. Two
airport dudes suggested it might even go away once I get the whole works up
to operating temperature for a while. It's a shame that the engine was dry
before it was torn down to fix my other problems, and now that they are
fixed I have a leak. I'm going to call Bob tomorrow and inquire about other
options. I'm skeptical about what I will hear though.
I ran it up again this evening to check the prop/governor operation. All is
well at full power and 2650 RPM. It felt like if it weren't tied down and
chocked, I'd just about have a VTOL aircraft!!
I'm just waiting on the weather now............
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Dickson [mailto:robert@thenews-journal.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson
> --> <robert@thenews-journal.com>
>
> well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an
> engine that came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360,
> constant speed. I flew it the first time on July 30, 04.
> Shortly after I started flying I began noticing a small
> puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
> After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that
> I'd find after every flight. It seemed to be coming from
> under No. 3 cylinder.
> The engine would not leak during ground running.
> I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this
> leak. We replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose
> part and clamps as well, but no change. He decided the
> cylinder O ring must be damaged so we puilled no. 3.
> Everything looked perfect so we put it all back together.
> Still no change in the leak.
> We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's
> quite a job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the
> engine. That didn't help either.
> At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the
> pushrod tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He
> also suggested I call ECI who supplied the cylinder
> assemblies. They were very user friendly and after a thorough
> discussion of the steps I had taken to find the leak they
> said to send it back for testing.
> During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal
> started leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common
> area for leaks so I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the
> cylinder back we decided to change that seal just in case the
> oil from it was somehow getting back under no. 3. I was
> learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention becoming
> expert at cowl removal and installation.
> After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more
> I still had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I
> removed the cylinder.
> I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there
> wasn't a 3-4 inch crack running circumferentially. I could
> even feel it with a fingernail. it can also be seen from the
> outside now that I know it's there. It will be returned to
> ECI tomorrow.
> I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier
> still that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while
> I was hunting for it. It could easily have happened, I
> suspect. It's interesting that the engine always ran strong
> and didn't use much oil. I don't believe the engine builder
> has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want to imply
> any. He's been very responsive during this process.
> So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
>
> Robert Dickson
> Fayetteville NC
> RV-6A 20.6 hours
>
> On Sep 6, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Larry Bowen wrote:
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >
> > There was a drain hole on the interior of the engine case
> that is used
> > for fixed-pitch prop situations. This hole needs to be
> plugged if a
> > CS prop is to be used. The engine builder overlooked it. The only
> > way to fix it is to split the case and plug the hole. The
> whole story
> > is on my web site.
> > Anyway, I'm glad it's behind me. However...before the
> tear-down, my
> > engine was dry -- no oil leaks. No that it's been
> reassembled, there
> > is an oil leak at the rear of the engine where the sump meets the
> > case. Dang it.
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
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> >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
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> >>
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> >>
> >> In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My
> >> RV-8 is airworthy!!
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Robert - Was Bob's reaction to your troubles anything other than "check
this" or "check that"? Any hands on help from him? I think this is the
down side to buying from a one-man operation. I remember asking Bob about
warranties when I first approached him about an engine for my plane. He
said "if there are any problems we'll take care of them". But as far as a
written warranty, I don't have one from Bob. I feel pretty foolish about it
too. One of the reasons I went with a local guy was the expectation of
better support.....
Hang in there.......
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Dickson [mailto:robert@thenews-journal.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:18 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson
> --> <robert@thenews-journal.com>
>
> well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an
> engine that came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360,
> constant speed. I flew it the first time on July 30, 04.
> Shortly after I started flying I began noticing a small
> puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
> After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that
> I'd find after every flight. It seemed to be coming from
> under No. 3 cylinder.
> The engine would not leak during ground running.
> I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this
> leak. We replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose
> part and clamps as well, but no change. He decided the
> cylinder O ring must be damaged so we puilled no. 3.
> Everything looked perfect so we put it all back together.
> Still no change in the leak.
> We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's
> quite a job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the
> engine. That didn't help either.
> At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the
> pushrod tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He
> also suggested I call ECI who supplied the cylinder
> assemblies. They were very user friendly and after a thorough
> discussion of the steps I had taken to find the leak they
> said to send it back for testing.
> During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal
> started leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common
> area for leaks so I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the
> cylinder back we decided to change that seal just in case the
> oil from it was somehow getting back under no. 3. I was
> learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention becoming
> expert at cowl removal and installation.
> After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more
> I still had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I
> removed the cylinder.
> I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there
> wasn't a 3-4 inch crack running circumferentially. I could
> even feel it with a fingernail. it can also be seen from the
> outside now that I know it's there. It will be returned to
> ECI tomorrow.
> I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier
> still that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while
> I was hunting for it. It could easily have happened, I
> suspect. It's interesting that the engine always ran strong
> and didn't use much oil. I don't believe the engine builder
> has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want to imply
> any. He's been very responsive during this process.
> So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
>
> Robert Dickson
> Fayetteville NC
> RV-6A 20.6 hours
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
we can all go to snappy lunch and enjoy the local
goodies
--- DAVID DAVENPORT <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "DAVID
> DAVENPORT" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
>
> If we go to "Mayberry", will Andy and Barney be
> there? I understand Opie is
> a bit busy these days directing.......
>
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Hosting a RV
> Fly-In @ MWK
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 9/5/2004 5:57:57 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> >
> > > Oh sure, we are always looking for a place to
> go. I think there is at
> > > least
> > > one builder up there, haven't heard from him in
> a while...
> > >
> > > I'll copy the group and see what they say.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: kelvinboyette@earthlink.net
> > > >[mailto:kelvinboyette@earthlink.net]
> > > >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:47 AM
> > > >To: larry@bowenaero.com
> > > >Subject: Hosting a RV Fly-In
> > > >
> > > >Larry,
> > > >
> > > >Does your RV group go on group fly outs? If
> so, I would love
> > > >to host one on a Saturday coming up at Mount
> Airy (KMWK).
> > > >Just send this out to your group and let me
> know any
> > > >date/time you would want to come up and what
> they would want
> > > >to do (go to "Mayberry", just have a hot dog
> cookout, etc.).
> > > >If they want to go to Mayberry I can arrange
> for a 12
> > > >passenger van with enough notice.
> > > >
> > > >I have already had a few of your RV'ers up
> here, and I would
> > > >love to have a gaggle of RVs on the ramp!
> > > >
> > > >Just let me know if the group would like to
> come up.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks...
> > > >
> > > >Kelvin Boyette
> > >
> >
> > Sounds good to me ....
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
One of my favorite places. We need to double check the hours of operation
though.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill crothers [mailto:bill28104@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:12 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers
> --> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> we can all go to snappy lunch and enjoy the local goodies
> --- DAVID DAVENPORT <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "DAVID
> > DAVENPORT" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
> >
> > If we go to "Mayberry", will Andy and Barney be there? I understand
> > Opie is a bit busy these days directing.......
> >
> >
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Hosting a RV Fly-In @ MWK
> >
> >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> > Lenleg@aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/5/2004 5:57:57 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > > Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
> > >
> > > > Oh sure, we are always looking for a place to
> > go. I think there is at
> > > > least
> > > > one builder up there, haven't heard from him in
> > a while...
> > > >
> > > > I'll copy the group and see what they say.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Larry Bowen
> > > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > > http://BowenAero.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: kelvinboyette@earthlink.net
> > > > >[mailto:kelvinboyette@earthlink.net]
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:47 AM
> > > > >To: larry@bowenaero.com
> > > > >Subject: Hosting a RV Fly-In
> > > > >
> > > > >Larry,
> > > > >
> > > > >Does your RV group go on group fly outs? If
> > so, I would love
> > > > >to host one on a Saturday coming up at Mount
> > Airy (KMWK).
> > > > >Just send this out to your group and let me
> > know any
> > > > >date/time you would want to come up and what
> > they would want
> > > > >to do (go to "Mayberry", just have a hot dog
> > cookout, etc.).
> > > > >If they want to go to Mayberry I can arrange
> > for a 12
> > > > >passenger van with enough notice.
> > > > >
> > > > >I have already had a few of your RV'ers up
> > here, and I would
> > > > >love to have a gaggle of RVs on the ramp!
> > > > >
> > > > >Just let me know if the group would like to
> > come up.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks...
> > > > >
> > > > >Kelvin Boyette
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds good to me ....
> > >
> > > Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson <robert@thenews-journal.com>
no, his reaction was pretty much just as you say. He didn't offer any
hands on help but neither did I ask for any. I realized from the start
that if it was the cylinder (as I suspected all along) that he had just
bought a cylinder assembly from ECI and that I would have to deal with
them on its problems. He told me that they often make good on money
spent dealing with a problem that turns out to be theirs.
I think with all the choices out there now for experimental engines
that I'd have a hard time justifying buying an engine that hasn't been
test run before I receive it. I read somewhere recently that Penn Yan
will build an 0-360 for something like $16k. I don't know what kind of
warranty anyone offers, but a thorough test run would mean a lot to
me.
I don't know if my cylinder was cracked when I got (I doubt it) but a
good test run might have shown it as defective.
Now I just hope ECI will fire a new cylinder to me so I get back in the
air. These RV things are just such a hoot. . .
Robert Dickson
RV-6A
On Sep 6, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Robert - Was Bob's reaction to your troubles anything other than
> "check
> this" or "check that"? Any hands on help from him? I think this is
> the
> down side to buying from a one-man operation. I remember asking Bob
> about
> warranties when I first approached him about an engine for my plane.
> He
> said "if there are any problems we'll take care of them". But as far
> as a
> written warranty, I don't have one from Bob. I feel pretty foolish
> about it
> too. One of the reasons I went with a local guy was the expectation of
> better support.....
>
> Hang in there.......
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Dickson [mailto:robert@thenews-journal.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:18 PM
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson
>> --> <robert@thenews-journal.com>
>>
>> well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an
>> engine that came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360,
>> constant speed. I flew it the first time on July 30, 04.
>> Shortly after I started flying I began noticing a small
>> puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
>> After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that
>> I'd find after every flight. It seemed to be coming from
>> under No. 3 cylinder.
>> The engine would not leak during ground running.
>> I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this
>> leak. We replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose
>> part and clamps as well, but no change. He decided the
>> cylinder O ring must be damaged so we puilled no. 3.
>> Everything looked perfect so we put it all back together.
>> Still no change in the leak.
>> We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's
>> quite a job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the
>> engine. That didn't help either.
>> At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the
>> pushrod tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He
>> also suggested I call ECI who supplied the cylinder
>> assemblies. They were very user friendly and after a thorough
>> discussion of the steps I had taken to find the leak they
>> said to send it back for testing.
>> During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal
>> started leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common
>> area for leaks so I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the
>> cylinder back we decided to change that seal just in case the
>> oil from it was somehow getting back under no. 3. I was
>> learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention becoming
>> expert at cowl removal and installation.
>> After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more
>> I still had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I
>> removed the cylinder.
>> I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there
>> wasn't a 3-4 inch crack running circumferentially. I could
>> even feel it with a fingernail. it can also be seen from the
>> outside now that I know it's there. It will be returned to
>> ECI tomorrow.
>> I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier
>> still that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while
>> I was hunting for it. It could easily have happened, I
>> suspect. It's interesting that the engine always ran strong
>> and didn't use much oil. I don't believe the engine builder
>> has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want to imply
>> any. He's been very responsive during this process.
>> So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
>>
>> Robert Dickson
>> Fayetteville NC
>> RV-6A 20.6 hours
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson <robert@thenews-journal.com>
I've recently bought an oil filler tube and a dipstick from Carter
Engines (423-542-1150) in Tennessee. They're extremely user friendly
and helpful. I'd recommend them.
Robert Dickson
On Sep 6, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Bill Repucci wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci"
> <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Robert,
>
> In racing they have a saying, the engine always runs best just before
> it
> self destructs.
>
> Good to hear you found the problem on the ground!
>
> BTW, do any of you have know a reputable source for Lycoming engine
> parts and band saw blades. (I know they don't go together but I need
> both new blades and engine parts.)
>
> All of y'all's flying tales really make me want to hurry up and finish
> my -9. The good news is, that my wedding is now less than a week away
> and my bride to be was helping pound rivets this morning.
> (http://www.repucci.com/bill/images/
> 6%20days%20before%20the%20wedding.jp
> g, the entire web site can be found at www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html.)
>
> Bill R.
> Huntersville, NC
> RV-9 (Some day.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert
> Dickson
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robert Dickson
> --> <robert@thenews-journal.com>
>
> well, let me add my tale of woe to this thread. I have an engine that
> came from the same builder as Larry's. 0-360, constant speed. I flew it
>
> the first time on July 30, 04. Shortly after I started flying I began
> noticing a small puddle of fresh-looking oil in the bottom of the cowl.
>
> After a few hours it became a pretty good size puddle that I'd find
> after every flight. It seemed to be coming from under No. 3 cylinder.
> The engine would not leak during ground running.
> I got a local a&p to help me and we started chasing this leak. We
> replaced the oil returned line, changed the hose part and clamps as
> well, but no change. He decided the cylinder O ring must be damaged so
> we puilled no. 3. Everything looked perfect so we put it all back
> together. Still no change in the leak.
> We then suspected the sump gasket so i changed that. That's quite a
> job, I must say. Lots of stuff has to come off the engine. That didn't
> help either.
> At the engine builder's suggestion I carefully inspected the pushrod
> tubes and seals, but I found no problem there. He also suggested I call
>
> ECI who supplied the cylinder assemblies. They were very user friendly
> and after a thorough discussion of the steps I had taken to find the
> leak they said to send it back for testing.
> During the time I was chasing this leak the crankshaft seal started
> leaking as well. I understand this is a fairly common area for leaks so
>
> I wasn't too surprised. Before I sent the cylinder back we decided to
> change that seal just in case the oil from it was somehow getting back
> under no. 3. I was learning all sorts of new skills, not to mention
> becoming expert at cowl removal and installation.
> After replacing the crankshaft seal and test flying once more I still
> had my puddle of oil under no. 3. This morning I removed the cylinder.
> I checked out the inside of the barrel and damned if there wasn't a 3-4
>
> inch crack running circumferentially. I could even feel it with a
> fingernail. it can also be seen from the outside now that I know it's
> there. It will be returned to ECI tomorrow.
> I'm very happy to finally find the darn leak, but I'm happier still
> that I didn't have a catastrophic engine failure while I was hunting
> for it. It could easily have happened, I suspect. It's interesting that
>
> the engine always ran strong and didn't use much oil. I don't believe
> the engine builder has any blame in my case and I certainly don't want
> to imply any. He's been very responsive during this process.
> So that's my labor day story. I think I'll have a beer.
>
> Robert Dickson
> Fayetteville NC
> RV-6A 20.6 hours
>
> On Sep 6, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Larry Bowen wrote:
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>>
>> There was a drain hole on the interior of the engine case that is used
>
>> for
>> fixed-pitch prop situations. This hole needs to be plugged if a CS
>> prop is
>> to be used. The engine builder overlooked it. The only way to fix it
>
>> is to
>> split the case and plug the hole. The whole story is on my web site.
>> Anyway, I'm glad it's behind me. However...before the tear-down, my
>> engine
>> was dry -- no oil leaks. No that it's been reassembled, there is an
>> oil
>> leak at the rear of the engine where the sump meets the case. Dang
> it.
>>
>> -
>> Larry Bowen
>> Larry@BowenAero.com
>> http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DWENSING@aol.com [mailto:DWENSING@aol.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:56 AM
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: AWAL
>>>
>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/3/04 11:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Air worthy at last! The FAA finally signed me off. My
>>> RV-8 is airworthy!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Larry, what was determined to be the reason the prop would
>>> not function?
>>> Dale Ensing
>>>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: mister murphy <mister_murphy@yahoo.com>
HI Larry Len and gang...
Yeah, your right there is one builder here in MT Airy,
though my plane will not be at the airport for a while
yet.
Not sure what date (a saturday would be better for me
as I sometimes wind out working on sundays) you all
are thinking of but let me know, and I'll try to help
arrange something here... I can drive some of you to a
restaurant or can arrange a cook out (I warn you, I
am NOT a cook! :) )at the airport or something. I am
on the list but just generally lurk while I build, but
if you need something up this way, give me a shout.
BTW, I'll in Moscow, (yes...Russia) from September 27
until october 11.
Erik Harrell
Mount Airy, NC
RV-6A Just recieved my Laird Owens instrument
panel...whoa, look out now!
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