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1. 05:03 AM - Re: incedence angle (Lenleg@aol.com)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! (Lenleg@aol.com)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Stomy's (Lenleg@aol.com)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Stomy's (Larry Bowen)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Stomy's (Lenleg@aol.com)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! (SportAV8R@aol.com)
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time!louisa gang (SportAV8R@aol.com)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: Stomy's (SportAV8R@aol.com)
9. 06:28 AM - Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! (SportAV8R@aol.com)
10. 06:33 AM - Larry's transponder troubles (SportAV8R@aol.com)
11. 06:47 AM - Re: Larry's transponder troubles (Larry Bowen)
12. 07:07 AM - Brake Fires and HYD Fluid (Steve Glasgow)
13. 07:23 AM - Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid (Larry Bowen)
14. 07:31 AM - Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid (Ed Anderson)
15. 02:54 PM - Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time!louisa gang (DAVID DAVENPORT)
16. 05:17 PM - Re: Larry's transponder troubles (Sargentclt@cs.com)
17. 05:25 PM - Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid (TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com)
18. 05:45 PM - Re: Larry's transponder troubles (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: incedence angle |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 8:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
N136CH@webtv.net writes:
Has anybody had to change the incedence angle? I have to use too much
nose down trim to maintain level flight. The elevator is in trail with
the horizontal stab. with a lot of trim. I have added 1 washer under
the front spar with little emprovement. Any ideas of how much I will
have to raise it?
Are you sure it is not the setting of the trim ... if the elevator is in
trail with the stab ... the trim light should be in the center ...
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 9:11:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SportAV8R@aol.com writes:
Okay, gang: who's in and who's out? I need to know what's best for the
bunch of ya.
Here are the date choices (all are equally fine with me):
Saturday, Oct 9.
Sunday, Oct 10.
Saturday Ot 16.
Sunday, Oct 17.
I hate to even chime in here since I don't even know if I can come or not
but ...
If I can come it would be this Saturday ... the weekend of the 16th I am at
the Furniture Market for the entire weekend ...but again my vote should not
count !!
Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 10/5/04 10:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
At the rate I'm going, I'll be on the 50 mile leash for a while. So I'm a
definate "don't know".
We have a trip to Florida planned ... I do not want to hear this stuff ...
Fly that plane !!!
Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I'm getting there. But everytime I fly, there is something else to look
at. Last night the xpdr was dead. Flew a little without it, then came
back to troubleshoot. It was one of those disassemble, check, find
nothing, reassemble, and now it works things.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 6 hrs.
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Lenleg@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 10/5/04 10:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
>
> At the rate I'm going, I'll be on the 50 mile leash for a while. So I'm
> a
> definate "don't know".
>
>
> We have a trip to Florida planned ... I do not want to hear this stuff ...
> Fly that plane !!!
>
> Len
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 10/6/04 8:56:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
I'm getting there. But everytime I fly, there is something else to look
at. Last night the xpdr was dead. Flew a little without it, then came
back to troubleshoot. It was one of those disassemble, check, find
nothing, reassemble, and now it works things.
You should be doing like I did .... fly early every morning for an hour too
... I know you start to work too early but maybe on weekends !!
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com
Hi Stormy, We're be out of town Oct. 9 & 10 for granddaughter's first
birthday. Mike Barbee
Thanks, Mike. Have a good one. We will factor that into the decision - I'll try
to make a final call by tomorrow am at the latest.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time!louisa |
gang
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Stormy
when ever you set it up.......we will try to be there......we are like
neighbors!
Bob: gotcha, buddy. Glad to hear you're "in" no matter what :-)
-Stormy
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
At the rate I'm going, I'll be on the 50 mile leash for a while. So I'm a
definate "don't know".
We'll put you down as a back-seater, then :-)
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time! |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
If I can come it would be this Saturday ... the weekend of the 16th I am at
the Furniture Market for the entire weekend ...but again my vote should not
count !!
Len
Okay, Len. Zap! - you're disenfranchised, just like that!
Since I hope to see you, we'll lean towards this Saturday, and maybe even let some
dead people and illegal aliens vote in this one.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Larry's transponder troubles |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
Last night the xpdr was dead. Flew a little without it, then came
back to troubleshoot. It was one of those disassemble, check, find
nothing, reassemble, and now it works things.
LArry-
this has happened to me twice at least. Once (and subsequent times) it was attributed
to an oily film building up on the belly-mounted antenna. Remove all
exhaust scum with a rag (and WD-40 if needed) and see how she does.
Other time it was broken coax center conductor in a concealed antenna setup I made.
Paid $250 to Garmin to be told the box worked fine on their bench!
A caveat: last time I was in INT airspace I was tiold my transponder was inop,
despite the fact that I was seeing interrogation hits on the panel light... then
he told the next aircraft the same thing, "I only have you as a primary target."
I suspect INT's radar is squirrely and needs a kick in the klystron.
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Larry's transponder troubles |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Thanks for the tips. I happened to clean the underside yesterday and the
antenna was fairly clean. I think in this case it was the reseating in
the tray that cured it. Prior to that it was dead...as in no lights or
other signs of life. It reminded me I need to send in the warrenty card
for my Apollo stuff!!
I have an appointment Monday for the xpdr/encoder/pitot/static check. I
guess if there are more serious problems they will be uncovered then.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
SportAV8R@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Last night the xpdr was dead. Flew a little without it, then came
> back to troubleshoot. It was one of those disassemble, check, find
> nothing, reassemble, and now it works things.
>
> LArry-
>
> this has happened to me twice at least. Once (and subsequent times) it
> was attributed to an oily film building up on the belly-mounted antenna.
> Remove all exhaust scum with a rag (and WD-40 if needed) and see how she
> does.
>
> Other time it was broken coax center conductor in a concealed antenna
> setup I made. Paid $250 to Garmin to be told the box worked fine on their
> bench!
>
> A caveat: last time I was in INT airspace I was tiold my transponder was
> inop, despite the fact that I was seeing interrogation hits on the panel
> light... then he told the next aircraft the same thing, "I only have you
> as a primary target." I suspect INT's radar is squirrely and needs a kick
> in the klystron.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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| Subject: | Brake Fires and HYD Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Someone had a brake fire that started after an overheated caliper leaked
fluid on a hot disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the fiberglass
wheel pant, as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with only
slightly higher pedal pressure required even when on fire.
Why did the seal leak at some temperature well below a failure temperature
for the rest of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire?
It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the little 30-9 caliper is an
ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring. Nitrile's temperature rating is - 65F
to +275 F. Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606 or
Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created because
the military was tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is the
standard red hydraulic fluid, it is a petroleum base, and turns out to have
a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is also red, and compatible with
5606 fluid as well as seals created for 5606. However, it is a synthetic,
with much higher flash and burn points, and is self-extinguishing when
removed from the ignition source.
Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 (Mil-H-5606) is 104
C, which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282) is 237 C, or 458 F.
A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal fails at
something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light when it hits a
hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant.
Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid" was
something special. It's not.
It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent
with light airplanes.
I said all that to say this. Wayne Williams and I are trying to get some of
the good stuff, Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282). The problem is we can only get
it in lots of 6 gallons.
If you are interested in getting some please let me know.
Steve Glasgow
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I'll take some, a quart or two.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Steve Glasgow said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>
> Someone had a brake fire that started after an overheated caliper leaked
> fluid on a hot disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the
> fiberglass
> wheel pant, as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with
> only
> slightly higher pedal pressure required even when on fire.
>
> Why did the seal leak at some temperature well below a failure temperature
> for the rest of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire?
>
> It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the little 30-9 caliper is an
> ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring. Nitrile's temperature rating is -
> 65F
> to +275 F. Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606 or
> Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created because
> the military was tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is
> the
> standard red hydraulic fluid, it is a petroleum base, and turns out to
> have
> a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is also red, and compatible with
> 5606 fluid as well as seals created for 5606. However, it is a synthetic,
> with much higher flash and burn points, and is self-extinguishing when
> removed from the ignition source.
>
> Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 (Mil-H-5606) is 104
> C, which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282) is 237 C, or 458 F.
>
> A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal fails at
> something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light when it hits
> a
> hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant.
>
> Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid" was
> something special. It's not.
> It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent
> with light airplanes.
>
>
> I said all that to say this. Wayne Williams and I are trying to get some
> of
> the good stuff, Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282). The problem is we can only
> get
> it in lots of 6 gallons.
>
> If you are interested in getting some please let me know.
>
> Steve Glasgow
> 704-362-0005
> 704-281-7884
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Steve,
I would be interested in a quart myself.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
<Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> I'll take some, a quart or two.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Steve Glasgow said:
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > Someone had a brake fire that started after an overheated caliper leaked
> > fluid on a hot disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the
> > fiberglass
> > wheel pant, as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with
> > only
> > slightly higher pedal pressure required even when on fire.
> >
> > Why did the seal leak at some temperature well below a failure
temperature
> > for the rest of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire?
> >
> > It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the little 30-9 caliper is an
> > ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring. Nitrile's temperature rating is -
> > 65F
> > to +275 F. Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606 or
> > Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created
because
> > the military was tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is
> > the
> > standard red hydraulic fluid, it is a petroleum base, and turns out to
> > have
> > a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is also red, and compatible
with
> > 5606 fluid as well as seals created for 5606. However, it is a
synthetic,
> > with much higher flash and burn points, and is self-extinguishing when
> > removed from the ignition source.
> >
> > Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 (Mil-H-5606) is
104
> > C, which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282) is 237 C, or 458 F.
> >
> > A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal fails at
> > something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light when it
hits
> > a
> > hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant.
> >
> > Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid"
was
> > something special. It's not.
> > It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things
prevalent
> > with light airplanes.
> >
> >
> > I said all that to say this. Wayne Williams and I are trying to get
some
> > of
> > the good stuff, Aeroshell 31 (Mil-H-83282). The problem is we can only
> > get
> > it in lots of 6 gallons.
> >
> > If you are interested in getting some please let me know.
> >
> > Steve Glasgow
> > 704-362-0005
> > 704-281-7884
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait time!louisa |
gang
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "DAVID DAVENPORT" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
Stormy, I could make it either Sunday this week-end, or either day next
week-end. Count my vote as one of the dead or illegal alien ones.
David
N168DD
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stomy's Fall Fly-in: it's fish-or-cut-bait
time!louisa gang
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Stormy
> when ever you set it up.......we will try to be there......we are like
> neighbors!
>
> Bob: gotcha, buddy. Glad to hear you're "in" no matter what :-)
>
> -Stormy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Larry's transponder troubles |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
Larry if your woes continue there is a Tech in Charlotte who is very
reasonable. I bought my Garmin 320 from him. He is retired for the avionics
business and has all the necessary tools and knowledge to troubleshoot your
problem.
Tad S. 7A
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Fires and HYD Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: TWOBARBEE@wmconnect.com
I'll take a quart Mike Barbee
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| Subject: | Larry's transponder troubles |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Untested, but I think I solved it tonight. The little arm that holds the
xpdr to the tray was not right. Now it is. We'll find out tomorrow.
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sargentclt@cs.com [mailto:Sargentclt@cs.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:17 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Larry's transponder troubles
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
>
> Larry if your woes continue there is a Tech in
> Charlotte who is very reasonable. I bought my Garmin 320
> from him. He is retired for the avionics business and has
> all the necessary tools and knowledge to troubleshoot your problem.
>
> Tad S. 7A
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