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3. 06:05 AM - Re: Charlie's 6A (Lenleg@aol.com)
4. 07:14 AM - SERV Patches (Lenleg@aol.com)
5. 07:18 AM - Fuel Burn (Lenleg@aol.com)
6. 08:51 AM - Fuel Burn (BOB martin)
7. 10:49 AM - Re: Fuel Burn (Larry Bowen)
8. 11:23 AM - Re: Fuel Burn (Lenleg@aol.com)
9. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel Burn (Steve Glasgow)
10. 11:54 AM - Re: Fuel Burn (Charlie England)
11. 02:25 PM - Re: SERV Patches (Steve Glasgow)
12. 02:29 PM - RV-8 @ RUQ ()
13. 02:52 PM - Re: Fuel Burn (bill crothers)
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| Subject: | Fwd: RV Lakeland Fly In |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
SERV:
Just got this back from Laura Crook who helps put on the January RV Fly In
in Lakeland ... thought TeamRV was going to put on a formaiton clinic but they
are not as you can see below.
Several of us are planning to go down for the weekend ... all are welcome to
join up. We are flying down on Friday morning January 14th ... camping on
the Sun N Fun site and heading home on Sunday.
Len
I thought they were , too. I just received email today and they are not
able to make it for 2005.
Sun n Fun will update their web page asap. I am out of town and cannot
update the VAF page until I get home Saturday.
This is the OFFICIAL WORD so please share it with your RV friends, We are
still having the fly in, of course.
In fact, I am looking for volunteers to do 1 hour forums on Saturday
afternoon. Are you interested or can you suggest anybody?
Thanks,
Laura Crook
Real World Solutions, Inc
www.rotaryaviation.com
386/935-2973
13B Powered RV-4 1350 hours of Hmmmm
20B Powered RV-8 in gestation mode
From: "Laura Crook" <laura_crook@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV Lakeland Fly In
I thought they were , too. I just received email today and they are not
able to make it for 2005.
Sun n Fun will update their web page asap. I am out of town and cannot
update the VAF page until I get home Saturday.
This is the OFFICIAL WORD so please share it with your RV friends, We are
still having the fly in, of course.
In fact, I am looking for volunteers to do 1 hour forums on Saturday
afternoon. Are you interested or can you suggest anybody?
Thanks,
Laura Crook
Real World Solutions, Inc
www.rotaryaviation.com
386/935-2973
13B Powered RV-4 1350 hours of Hmmmm
20B Powered RV-8 in gestation mode
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| Subject: | Re: Charlie's 6A |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 11/29/04 10:26:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
Lookin' good, Charlie.
http://bowenaero.com/copper/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=&pos=0
Great looking plane ...
Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Just got the acknowledgement for the patches. Delivery date says 12/17/04
but with any luck I may have them for the Xmas fly in at Stantons BBQ on Dec.
11th ... fingers crossed !!!
Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per hour? I am trying to
calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and fuel remaining ... my EI fuel
gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have never tried to get the fuel flow
calibrated .. but on that quest now.
I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took 20.2 gallons to fill back up
...
I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour ....
I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be off ... I am going to
compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think they will agree since the
uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
288 hrs
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "BOB martin" <libertyva@msn.com>
Len,
I'm sure the Lycomings are burning the normal 10-13 gph.......
but we track the hobbs meter in a notebook to log time and oil usage, etc
and we only show about 7 gph ....based on hobbs reading.........
so the taxi, cruise and desent must really offset the takeoff and climb
rates.
What ever it is.........I like it!!!!!!!
Cause thats whats comes out of my checkbook per hour logged!
Bob Martin, Louisa County RV-6 ....ps..Larrys -6 is the same too...
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per hour? I am trying to
>calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and fuel remaining ... my EI
>fuel
>gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have never tried to get the fuel
>flow
>calibrated .. but on that quest now.
>
>I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took 20.2 gallons to fill back
>up
>...
>
>I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour ....
>
>I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be off ... I am going to
>compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think they will agree since the
>uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
>
>Len Leggette, RV-8A
>Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
>288 hrs
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
How does the hobbs function of the umonitor work? My EIS can be set to
only start "the clock" when first going above a certain RPM. I forget now
what mine is set at...maybe 1200 or something.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Lenleg@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per hour? I am trying to
> calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and fuel remaining ... my EI
> fuel
> gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have never tried to get the fuel
> flow
> calibrated .. but on that quest now.
>
> I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took 20.2 gallons to fill back
> up
> ...
>
> I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour ....
>
> I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be off ... I am going to
> compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think they will agree since
> the
> uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
> 288 hrs
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 11/30/04 1:49:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
How does the hobbs function of the umonitor work? My EIS can be set to
only start "the clock" when first going above a certain RPM. I forget now
what mine is set at...maybe 1200 or something.
-
Larry Bowen
You put in a certain cruise rpm ... say 2400 and at the rpm it will record 1
hour of time ... if flying at 1200 it will record 30 min. That is how the
manual states it.
Len
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
IMHO the fuel burn must be calculated using the EIS time on engine in my
case this is set to 1500 RPM. If I'm on a X-country when I'm always above
1500 RPM I get around 8-9.5, If I'm doing a lot of pattern work I get less
than 7.
Steve Glasgow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fuel Burn
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> How does the hobbs function of the umonitor work? My EIS can be set to
> only start "the clock" when first going above a certain RPM. I forget now
> what mine is set at...maybe 1200 or something.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Lenleg@aol.com said:
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>>
>> What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per hour? I am trying to
>> calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and fuel remaining ... my
>> EI
>> fuel
>> gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have never tried to get the
>> fuel
>> flow
>> calibrated .. but on that quest now.
>>
>> I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took 20.2 gallons to fill back
>> up
>> ...
>>
>> I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour ....
>>
>> I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be off ... I am going to
>> compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think they will agree since
>> the
>> uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
>>
>> Len Leggette, RV-8A
>> Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
>> 288 hrs
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per hour? I am trying to
>calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and fuel remaining ... my EI fuel
>gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have never tried to get the fuel flow
>calibrated .. but on that quest now.
>
>I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took 20.2 gallons to fill back up
>...
>
>I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour ....
>
>I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be off ... I am going to
>compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think they will agree since the
>uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
>
>Len Leggette, RV-8A
>Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
>288 hrs
>
Hi Len,
A couple of things might be conspiring to confuse the issue.
If you did numerous takeoff/landings, your burn will be much lower than
at cruise because you are in the pattern at reduced power much longer
that you are at full power for climb (except for a long climb for high
altitude cross country, of course). Also, most people don't run at
anywhere near 75% power at cruise. I've flown 160hp engines in 3
different homebuilts + 1 factory plane & they all burned around 9gph
when flown at 75%. One of them was injected with a c/s prop & when run
at 2400rpm up at 8000', it only burned around 7.3gph (but that ain't
75% power). I've had 1 180hp c/s prop & it burned 10gph. All had much
lower burn numbers when there were a lot of t/o & landings on a tank of
gas, often as low as 6.5-7.5gph.
Check the Lyc Manual to see what 75% power settings really are (most
people are shocked). Fill both tanks, take off on one & climb to
~8,000', lean for cruise operation & set cruise power. Start a timer (or
look at your watch) & switch tanks. Fly for say, 1/2 hour without
changing altitude, throttle or rpm settings & switch back to the other
tank. Return to the airport & top off the 'cruise' tank. Now do the math
& you know your real 75% cruise fuel burn. Should be around .45*actual
hp/6. For a 160, 9gph; for a 180, 10gph. Slightly better if injected
and/or electronic ignition.
Don't know about the uMonitor, but a mechanical tach's hour meter is
definitely affected by rpm.
Charlie
(It's good that you didn't come down for the flyin on the 13th; ceiling
& vis. was so bad I didn't make it the 20 miles from here to there.)
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| Subject: | Re: SERV Patches |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Maybe you could find out where my black shirt is also.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: SERV Patches
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> Just got the acknowledgement for the patches. Delivery date says
> 12/17/04
> but with any luck I may have them for the Xmas fly in at Stantons BBQ on
> Dec.
> 11th ... fingers crossed !!!
>
> Len
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <scott@keadle.com> with HTTP/1.1;
Yep, it was me, and boy did I make some bad
landings/t&g's... Hope I didn't scare anybody too badly. I
have gotten quite a bit better in the last two days. Flew it
Monday on my lunch hour and again today (Tuesday) on my
lunch hour. I now have about 6 hours taildragger time, and
finally feel like I can land the damned thing without
calling the fire trucks to be on standby. I finally flew it
down here last friday, from BKW. Flew over to Gold Hill on
Saturday to visit with Ron and Kathy, his canopy looks just
beautiful. Hope to see everybody real soon, but for the
moment still practicing with the airplane before I venture
too far in it. I realized when I looked at my logbook that I
hadn't been up in more than two years, time sure does fly...
Scott Keadle
N844RF RV8purchased
6hours
704-650-0249 (m)
do not archive
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
<Larry@BowenAero.com>
That was my guess, but I don't know.....
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Radomir Zaric"
> --> <vitez@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Scott, maybe?
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV-8 @ RUQ
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> --> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> There was an RV-8 at Salisbury, Rowan County airport
Sunday,
> about 1:30 PM doing touch and goes. I didn't recognize
it.
> Was it someone on the list?
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
been burning 7.2/hr on a 150 E2D for yrs, bill c.
--- Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie
> England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>
> >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> >What kind of fuel burn are you guys showing per
> hour? I am trying to
> >calibrate my Rocky Mtn uMonitor for fuel flow and
> fuel remaining ... my EI fuel
> >gauge is calibrated and very accurate. I have
> never tried to get the fuel flow
> >calibrated .. but on that quest now.
> >
> >I flew 2.9 hours since the last fill up ...took
> 20.2 gallons to fill back up
> >...
> >
> >I have to be burning more than 7 gallons per hour
> ....
> >
> >I think the timer/hobbs on the uMonitor might be
> off ... I am going to
> >compare to the timer on the GPS but I don't think
> they will agree since the
> >uMonitor works off rpm for timing ..
> >
> >Len Leggette, RV-8A
> >Greensboro, N.C. N910LL
> >288 hrs
> >
>
> Hi Len,
>
> A couple of things might be conspiring to confuse
> the issue.
>
> If you did numerous takeoff/landings, your burn will
> be much lower than
> at cruise because you are in the pattern at reduced
> power much longer
> that you are at full power for climb (except for a
> long climb for high
> altitude cross country, of course). Also, most
> people don't run at
> anywhere near 75% power at cruise. I've flown 160hp
> engines in 3
> different homebuilts + 1 factory plane & they all
> burned around 9gph
> when flown at 75%. One of them was injected with a
> c/s prop & when run
> at 2400rpm up at 8000', it only burned around
> 7.3gph (but that ain't
> 75% power). I've had 1 180hp c/s prop & it burned
> 10gph. All had much
> lower burn numbers when there were a lot of t/o &
> landings on a tank of
> gas, often as low as 6.5-7.5gph.
>
> Check the Lyc Manual to see what 75% power settings
> really are (most
> people are shocked). Fill both tanks, take off on
> one & climb to
> ~8,000', lean for cruise operation & set cruise
> power. Start a timer (or
> look at your watch) & switch tanks. Fly for say, 1/2
> hour without
> changing altitude, throttle or rpm settings & switch
> back to the other
> tank. Return to the airport & top off the 'cruise'
> tank. Now do the math
> & you know your real 75% cruise fuel burn. Should be
> around .45*actual
> hp/6. For a 160, 9gph; for a 180, 10gph. Slightly
> better if injected
> and/or electronic ignition.
>
> Don't know about the uMonitor, but a mechanical
> tach's hour meter is
> definitely affected by rpm.
>
> Charlie
> (It's good that you didn't come down for the flyin
> on the 13th; ceiling
> & vis. was so bad I didn't make it the 20 miles from
> here to there.)
>
>
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