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1. 04:37 AM - Stanton's Excitement (Ron Schreck)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (Ed Anderson)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (Ed Anderson)
4. 05:40 AM - CAE Question (Terrence Gardner)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: CAE Question (James E. Clark)
6. 08:21 AM - Fw: January meeting (N8391Mike@aol.com)
7. 08:54 AM - Re: Fw: January meeting (N184FN@aol.com)
8. 09:02 AM - Re: Fw: January meeting (Lenleg@aol.com)
9. 02:22 PM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil)
10. 04:23 PM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (N184FN@aol.com)
11. 04:56 PM - Patches (Larry Bowen)
12. 05:04 PM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (Ed Anderson)
13. 05:10 PM - Re: Fw: January meeting (Larry Bowen)
14. 06:52 PM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (N184FN@aol.com)
15. 07:40 PM - Forum for SouthEast RV'ers on Vansairforce.net (James E. Clark)
16. 07:42 PM - Re: Stanton's Excitement (Charlie England)
17. 09:07 PM - Re: Forum for SouthEast RV'ers on Vansairforce. (Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil)
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| Subject: | Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
Hi Ed,
It was a pleasure to finally meet you after exchanging email, phone and
radio chatter for some time now. Now that you have your canopy under
control I hope you will come visit at Gold Hill Airpark. We had a great
visit by a number of RVers on Saturday both before and after Stantons.
While you are here I would like to pop your cowl and see what is making all
that noise! Last time I heard anything like that was when both our cats
came into heat at the same time. ;=) Glad the canopy incident came out OK.
Fly Safe.
Ron Schreck
RV-8
Message from Ed Anderson:
> Hi Folks
>
> Had a great time and good BBQ now that I finally found Stantons. Good to
meet
> some of you for the first time and seeing those of you I've know. Really
looking
> forward to the next one.
>
> Some of you may have noticed my somewhat strange behavior after I took
off from
> Stantons. I had intended to come back around and give you a sizzling
low-level
> pass before heading back to Goose Creek. However, had a bit of an
incident
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Same here, Ron
I will plan on visiting when you return and will pop the cowl for you. Be
forewarned I can talk about the rotary until you eyeballs roll back in your
head {:>).
The noise is excessive of that there is no doubt. Trying to be a good noise
environment citizen, I am working on a muffler (3rd iteration) which I hope
will:
1. Reduce the "cat fight" noise to a more acceptable level
2. Not kill the power due to excessive back pressure
3. Live under the assault of the exhaust power and temps
So far I can get 2 of the 3 but not all 3 {:>). Hopefully this next one will
be acceptable under all 3 criterion.
See you and have a safe trip
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
<ronschreck@webkorner.com>
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> It was a pleasure to finally meet you after exchanging email, phone and
> radio chatter for some time now. Now that you have your canopy under
> control I hope you will come visit at Gold Hill Airpark. We had a great
> visit by a number of RVers on Saturday both before and after Stantons.
> While you are here I would like to pop your cowl and see what is making
all
> that noise! Last time I heard anything like that was when both our cats
> came into heat at the same time. ;=) Glad the canopy incident came out
OK.
> Fly Safe.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8
>
> Message from Ed Anderson:
> > Hi Folks
> >
> > Had a great time and good BBQ now that I finally found Stantons. Good
to
> meet
> > some of you for the first time and seeing those of you I've know.
Really
> looking
> > forward to the next one.
> >
> > Some of you may have noticed my somewhat strange behavior after I took
> off from
> > Stantons. I had intended to come back around and give you a sizzling
> low-level
> > pass before heading back to Goose Creek. However, had a bit of an
> incident
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Right Stormy! Check it.
Upon further investigation, it appears that when I screwed the aluminum
push/pull rod onto the fittings at each end of the locking mechanism (many
years ago), I failed to notice that two jam nuts were called for (one on
each end). Either that or I may have assumed that there was not sufficient
room for the rod to unscrew completely - if so, that was a faulty
assumption.
The Tip-Up canopy can lift as much as 4-6 inches at the aft end from the
canopy rails - causes a lot of noise, not much (if any wind) cockpit and
doesn't noticeably alter any flying characteristics. But, I have never had
one pop at high speeds, my two incidents (one when I failed to lock the
canopy) and the most recent one were at 110 mph or lower. Just keep the
airspeed down and climb to a safe altitude, slow the aircraft down and pop
the flaps and bring the airspeed down to about 5-10 MPH above a stall and
the force pulling the canopy up lessens considerably and its possible to
pull it down and lock it with the upper secondary latch handle - provided it
doesn't come off in your hand {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Thanks for sharing the story, Ed - I'll check my canopy latch linkage for
security before next flight!
>
> -Stormy
> Bill Boyd
> RV-6A
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Terrence Gardner" <ttandt@mindspring.com>
Question for you CAE guys. How far is it from either CUB or CAE to Harbison
State Park? Good to see everyone Saturday and thanks Ron for the
tour/hospitality
do not archive
Terry & Tina Gardner
RV9A
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
About 25 minutes from KCUB. About 15 minutes from KCAE. Primarily
interstate. Easy drive.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Terrence Gardner
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:40 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: CAE Question
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Terrence Gardner"
> <ttandt@mindspring.com>
>
> Question for you CAE guys. How far is it from either CUB or CAE
> to Harbison
> State Park? Good to see everyone Saturday and thanks Ron for the
> tour/hospitality
> do not archive
>
> Terry & Tina Gardner
> RV9A
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: January meeting |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N8391Mike@aol.com
The New Year is here! Our first meeting in 2005 will be January 8th at
Shiloh Airport. Let's all meet in Butch Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have
a
covered dish luncheon so please bring what you can to start off the new year
with good food, good friends and good times!
Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the last meeting)
From: "Patrick McAlee" <TUCKER27009@peoplepc.com>
"Walter Wiley" <walterwiley@msn.com>,
"Tracy Gough" <tgough@goughtech.com>,
"Tony Morgan" <anthonymorgan@cptfilms.com>,
"Tommy Redmon" <ctredmon@sprintmail.com>,
"Tim Stauffer" <jtstaufer@aol.com>,
"Tim Rothrock" <timrothrock@earthlink.net>,
"Thomas C Freeman" <freeman@highpoint.net>,
"Terry Gallion" <teeball@advi.net>,
"Stephen Wooten" <stephen.wooten@wcg.com>,
"Stephen Austin" <stephen@naimaxwell.com>,
"Shirley Wheeler" <swheeler@bellsouth.net>,
"Roger Jennings" <JenninR@RJRT.com>,
"Roger Dodson" <Rogpoldodson@gateway.net>,
"Ritchie & Mechelle Jones" <Ritchie@triad.rr.com>,
"Ray Sharp" <raysharp@triad.rr.com>,
"Ray & Lorraine Judd" <juddsfly@aol.com>,
"Morton Lester" <lestermw@kimbanet.com>,
"Lisa Barbee" <lmbcanav8@aol.com>, "Greg Bray" <gbray@netmcr.com>
Subject: January meeting
The New Year is here! Our first meeting in 2005 will be January 8th at Shiloh
Airport. Let's all meet in Butch Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have a covered
dish luncheon so please bring what you can to start off the new=20year
with good food, good friends and good times!
Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the last meeting)
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<STYLE></STYLE>
The New Year is here! Our first meeting in
2005 will be January 8th at Shiloh Airport. Let's all meet in Butch
Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have a covered dish luncheon so please
bring what you can to start off the new year with good food, good friends and
good times!
Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the
last meeting)
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: January meeting |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N184FN@aol.com
Thanks for the notice...Is this the local EAA Chapter? I look forward to
coming..Wayne Williams..W88..RV 8...Champ
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: January meeting |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 1/3/05 11:54:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, N184FN@aol.com
writes:
Thanks for the notice...Is this the local EAA Chapter? I look forward to
coming..Wayne Williams..W88..RV 8...Champ
That is Chapter 8 based out of Shiloh.
Len
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| Subject: | Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil
Speaking of,
anybody know how the -4 acts when a canopy unlatches??
Rique J. Gwin, Maj
AFSOC/XPRM Mobility Requirements
DSN 579-5225, COMM: (850) 884-5225
Cell: (850) 543-1134
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Right Stormy! Check it.
Upon further investigation, it appears that when I screwed the aluminum
push/pull rod onto the fittings at each end of the locking mechanism (many
years ago), I failed to notice that two jam nuts were called for (one on
each end). Either that or I may have assumed that there was not sufficient
room for the rod to unscrew completely - if so, that was a faulty
assumption.
The Tip-Up canopy can lift as much as 4-6 inches at the aft end from the
canopy rails - causes a lot of noise, not much (if any wind) cockpit and
doesn't noticeably alter any flying characteristics. But, I have never had
one pop at high speeds, my two incidents (one when I failed to lock the
canopy) and the most recent one were at 110 mph or lower. Just keep the
airspeed down and climb to a safe altitude, slow the aircraft down and pop
the flaps and bring the airspeed down to about 5-10 MPH above a stall and
the force pulling the canopy up lessens considerably and its possible to
pull it down and lock it with the upper secondary latch handle - provided it
doesn't come off in your hand {:>)
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>
> Thanks for sharing the story, Ed - I'll check my canopy latch linkage for
security before next flight!
>
> -Stormy
> Bill Boyd
> RV-6A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N184FN@aol.com
I give up...tell us
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
So did everyone get their SERV patches last Saturday? Are there any left
Len?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Rique, I don't known personally, but I have heard that in some cases the
Rv-4 canopy departs the aircraft by stripping out the pop rivets holding the
hinge side to the aircraft (the rivets are designed to give before causing
damage to the aircraft). In another case, I heard of the pilot catching the
canopy before it could lift high enough for the main slip stream to get
under it and managed to keep it down until he landed. But, both cases are
hear-say as I did not get the information directly from the parties
involved.
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil
>
> Speaking of,
> anybody know how the -4 acts when a canopy unlatches??
>
> Rique J. Gwin, Maj
> AFSOC/XPRM Mobility Requirements
> DSN 579-5225, COMM: (850) 884-5225
> Cell: (850) 543-1134
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Right Stormy! Check it.
>
> Upon further investigation, it appears that when I screwed the aluminum
> push/pull rod onto the fittings at each end of the locking mechanism (many
> years ago), I failed to notice that two jam nuts were called for (one on
> each end). Either that or I may have assumed that there was not
sufficient
> room for the rod to unscrew completely - if so, that was a faulty
> assumption.
>
> The Tip-Up canopy can lift as much as 4-6 inches at the aft end from the
> canopy rails - causes a lot of noise, not much (if any wind) cockpit and
> doesn't noticeably alter any flying characteristics. But, I have never
had
> one pop at high speeds, my two incidents (one when I failed to lock the
> canopy) and the most recent one were at 110 mph or lower. Just keep the
> airspeed down and climb to a safe altitude, slow the aircraft down and pop
> the flaps and bring the airspeed down to about 5-10 MPH above a stall and
> the force pulling the canopy up lessens considerably and its possible to
> pull it down and lock it with the upper secondary latch handle - provided
it
> doesn't come off in your hand {:>)
>
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the story, Ed - I'll check my canopy latch linkage
for
> security before next flight!
> >
> > -Stormy
> > Bill Boyd
> > RV-6A
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: January meeting |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Added to the SERV calendar.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N8391Mike@aol.com [mailto:N8391Mike@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:21 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: January meeting
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N8391Mike@aol.com
>
> The New Year is here! Our first meeting in 2005 will be
> January 8th at Shiloh Airport. Let's all meet in Butch
> Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have a covered dish
> luncheon so please bring what you can to start off the new
> year with good food, good friends and good times!
> Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the last meeting)
>
> From: "Patrick McAlee" <TUCKER27009@peoplepc.com>
> To: "Andre M. Robert" <N8391mike@aol.com>, "Wilton Little"
> <luwana2@juno.com>,
> "Walter Wiley" <walterwiley@msn.com>,
> "Tracy Gough" <tgough@goughtech.com>,
> "Tony Morgan" <anthonymorgan@cptfilms.com>,
> "Tommy Redmon" <ctredmon@sprintmail.com>,
> "Tim Stauffer" <jtstaufer@aol.com>,
> "Tim Rothrock" <timrothrock@earthlink.net>,
> "Thomas C Freeman" <freeman@highpoint.net>,
> "Terry Gallion" <teeball@advi.net>,
> "Stephen Wooten" <stephen.wooten@wcg.com>,
> "Stephen Austin" <stephen@naimaxwell.com>,
> "Shirley Wheeler" <swheeler@bellsouth.net>,
> "Roger Jennings" <JenninR@RJRT.com>,
> "Roger Dodson" <Rogpoldodson@gateway.net>,
> "Ritchie & Mechelle Jones" <Ritchie@triad.rr.com>,
> "Ray Sharp" <raysharp@triad.rr.com>,
> "Ray & Lorraine Judd" <juddsfly@aol.com>,
> "Morton Lester" <lestermw@kimbanet.com>,
> "Lisa Barbee" <lmbcanav8@aol.com>, "Greg Bray"
> <gbray@netmcr.com>
> Subject: January meeting
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:19:45 -0500
>
>
> The New Year is here! Our first meeting in 2005 will be
> January 8th at Shiloh Airport. Let's all meet in Butch
> Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have a covered dish
> luncheon so please bring what you can to start off the
> new=20year with good food, good friends and good times!
> Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the last meeting)
>
>
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>
>
> The New Year is here! Our first meeting in
> 2005 will be January 8th at Shiloh Airport. Let's all meet in
> Butch Joyce's hangar at 12 noon. We will have a covered dish
> luncheon so please bring what you can to start off the new
> year with good food, good friends and good times!
> Pat McAlee (your new V.P. in case you missed the last meeting)
>
>
> =========
> Matronics Forums.
> =========
> =========
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N184FN@aol.com
Last year after the Bladenboro Fly In I had stopped at Elizabethtown to get
fuel and a gentleman from Burgaw (Stag Park) landed with the canopy hanging off
to the side and rear of an RV 4. It had come open in flight and he said he
could hardly maintain flight. I'm sure that some of you guys know someone down
there that could link you up with him for more details. It wasnt pretty.W8.
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| Subject: | Forum for SouthEast RV'ers on Vansairforce.net |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Take a look at the new "Forums" at Doug Reeves' site www.vansairforce.net .
Many types including geographic. Of course there is one for "us".
Check it out ...
James
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| Subject: | Re: Stanton's Excitement |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
It *will* unzip & depart if it's allowed to open fully in flight. Ed got
the story about hanging on & keeping it below the slipstream 1st hand,
but we won't talk about who he heard it from, will we?
Charlie
Slobovia Outernational
Jackson MS
Ed Anderson wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Rique, I don't known personally, but I have heard that in some cases the
>Rv-4 canopy departs the aircraft by stripping out the pop rivets holding the
>hinge side to the aircraft (the rivets are designed to give before causing
>damage to the aircraft). In another case, I heard of the pilot catching the
>canopy before it could lift high enough for the main slip stream to get
>under it and managed to keep it down until he landed. But, both cases are
>hear-say as I did not get the information directly from the parties
>involved.
>
>Ed Anderson
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
>
>
>
>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil
>>
>>Speaking of,
>> anybody know how the -4 acts when a canopy unlatches??
>>
>>Rique J. Gwin, Maj
>>AFSOC/XPRM Mobility Requirements
>>DSN 579-5225, COMM: (850) 884-5225
>>Cell: (850) 543-1134
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
>><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>>Right Stormy! Check it.
>>
>> Upon further investigation, it appears that when I screwed the aluminum
>>push/pull rod onto the fittings at each end of the locking mechanism (many
>>years ago), I failed to notice that two jam nuts were called for (one on
>>each end). Either that or I may have assumed that there was not
>>
>>
>sufficient
>
>
>>room for the rod to unscrew completely - if so, that was a faulty
>>assumption.
>>
>>The Tip-Up canopy can lift as much as 4-6 inches at the aft end from the
>>canopy rails - causes a lot of noise, not much (if any wind) cockpit and
>>doesn't noticeably alter any flying characteristics. But, I have never
>>
>>
>had
>
>
>>one pop at high speeds, my two incidents (one when I failed to lock the
>>canopy) and the most recent one were at 110 mph or lower. Just keep the
>>airspeed down and climb to a safe altitude, slow the aircraft down and pop
>>the flaps and bring the airspeed down to about 5-10 MPH above a stall and
>>the force pulling the canopy up lessens considerably and its possible to
>>pull it down and lock it with the upper secondary latch handle - provided
>>
>>
>it
>
>
>>doesn't come off in your hand {:>)
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <SportAV8R@aol.com>
>>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stanton's Excitement
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
>>>
>>>Thanks for sharing the story, Ed - I'll check my canopy latch linkage
>>>
>>>
>for
>
>
>>security before next flight!
>>
>>
>>>-Stormy
>>>Bill Boyd
>>>RV-6A
>>>
>>>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rique.Gwin@hurlburt.af.mil
Guys,
Thanks for the canopy info!
Rique
Rique J. Gwin, Maj
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From: James E. Clark [mailto:james@nextupventures.com]
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Forum for SouthEast RV'ers on Vansairforce.net
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
<james@nextupventures.com>
Take a look at the new "Forums" at Doug Reeves' site www.vansairforce.net .
Many types including geographic. Of course there is one for "us".
Check it out ...
James
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