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1. 03:54 AM - Re: Fw: AOPA ePilot -- North Carolina Airspace Bulletin (N184FN@aol.com)
2. 05:05 AM - Attn: Larry Was Re: Fw: AOPA ePilot -- North Carolina Airspace Bulletin (Ed Anderson)
3. 05:34 AM - Innodyn Turbines (ATRdriver@aol.com)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: Innodyn Turbines (Ed Anderson)
5. 02:02 PM - Re: Innodyn Turbines (Bill Repucci)
6. 02:37 PM - Ken Harrill, James Clark, Bill Crothers (Lenleg@aol.com)
7. 03:59 PM - Re: Innodyn Turbines (Ed Anderson)
8. 05:46 PM - Re: Innodyn Turbines (Bill Repucci)
9. 07:15 PM - March 12 (Steve Glasgow)
10. 07:23 PM - Re: March 12 (Ed Anderson)
11. 07:45 PM - Re: March 12 (Steve Glasgow)
12. 08:40 PM - Re: March 12 (Larry Bowen)
13. 09:17 PM - Re: March 12 ()
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: AOPA ePilot -- North Carolina Airspace Bulletin |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: N184FN@aol.com
North Carolina
5/1106 PART 1 OF 3 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA, FEBRUARY 10,
2005 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141, OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL
REGULATIONS (CFR), AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPER- ATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 30 NMR UP
TO
BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 355000N/0784310W OR THE RDU131003.9 FROM 0502101500
(1000 LOCAL 02/10/05) UNTIL 0502101835 (1335 LOCAL 02/10/05). WITHIN 10 NMR
UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 355221N/0784700W OR THE RDU VORTAC FROM
0502101500 (1000 LOCAL 02/10/05) UNTIL 0502101605 (1105 LOCAL 02/10/05). WITHIN
10
NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 354623N/0783821W OR THE RDU134009.2 FROM
0502101525 (1025 LOCAL 02/10/05) UNTIL 0502101810 (1310 LOCAL 02/10/05). WITHIN
10 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 355221N/0784700W OR THE RDU VORTAC
FROM 0502101730 (1230 LOCAL 02/10/05) UNTIL 0502101835 (1335 LOCAL 02/10/05).
EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC: A. ALL AIRCRAFT
OPERATIONS WITHIN A 10 NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. LAW
ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES SECRET
SERVICE (USSS) AND THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, EMERGENCY
MEDICAL FLIGHTS, AND END PART 1 OF 3 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 2 OF 3 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA, REGULARLY SCHEDULED
COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND ALL-CARGO CARRIERS OPERATING UNDER ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR
STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP),
TWELVE FIVE STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), OR ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL
SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP) AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART
139 AIRPORTS. 2. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TFR, ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION
COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE OPERATIONS IN ADVANCE WITH THE USSS AT 919-380-3125
TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS. B. WITHIN THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN 10 NMR AND 30 NMR
LISTED ABOVE: 1. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NMR TFR SHALL BE ON AN
ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN ATC FACILITY.
AIRCRAFT SHALL BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL
TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NMR TFR MUST
REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING
WITHIN THE 10 NMR TO 30 NMR TFR AND OPERATING AT ALTITUDES OF UP TO BUT NOT
INCLUDING FL180 ARE END PART 2 OF 3 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 3 OF 3 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA, LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT
ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS AND ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT
OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. 4. FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES,
AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG
GLIDING, BALLOON, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT
OPERATIONS, AND BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. 5. ALL USSS CLEARED
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS BASED IN THE AREA SHOULD NOTIFY THE USSS PRIOR TO THEIR
DEPARTURE. 6. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TFR, ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION
COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE OPERATIONS IN ADVANCE WITH THE USSS AT 919-380-3125
TO
AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS. C. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK
NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE REQUIRED CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS
WITHIN THIS REGION. END PART 3 OF 3 WIE UNTIL UFN [See graphic.]
AOPA has compiled plain-language guidance and a list of airports affected by
notam 5/1106:
Size and location:
Centered on 355000N 0784310W:
30-nm-radius TFR up to 17,999-ft-MSL
Effective time:
1000 local until 1335 local Feb 10
Requirements for flight 10-30 nm area:
Limited to arriving or departing local airfields
Must be on active VFR or IFR flight plan
Squawk discrete code obtained from ATC
Two-way communication with ATC
No loitering
Operations not authorized: FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES,
AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG
GLIDING, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, BALLOON OPERATIONS,
ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, AND COMMERCIAL CARGO/CARRIER
OPERATIONS THAT FAIL TO MEET OR EXCEED THE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
S DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATED PROGRAM STANDARDS, AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE
FIVE STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), OR ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY
PROCEDURE (ACISP)
Airport IDNameCityStateNautical Miles
From
RDURaleigh-Durham InternationalRALEIGH/DURHAMNC4.3
5W5Triple WRALEIGHNC12.8
IGXHorace WilliamsCHAPEL HILLNC18.0
LHZFranklin CountyLOUISBURGNC22.1
JNXJohnston CountySMITHFIELDNC23.8
TTASanford-Lee County RegionalSANFORDNC23.9
HRJHarnett CountyERWINNC27.3
TDFPerson CountyROXBORONC30.0
4W7Hurdle FieldMEBANENC30.8
Size and location:
Centered on 355221N 0784700W:
10-nm-radius no-fly zone up to 17,999-ft-MSL
Effective time:
1000 local until 1105 local Feb 10
1230 local until 1335 local Feb 10
Requirements for flight 10-30 nm area:
Limited to arriving or departing local airfields
Must be on active VFR or IFR flight plan
Squawk discrete code obtained from ATC
Two-way communication with ATC
No loitering
Operations not authorized: FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES,
AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG
GLIDING, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, BALLOON OPERATIONS,
ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, AND COMMERCIAL CARGO/CARRIER
OPERATIONS THAT FAIL TO MEET OR EXCEED THE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
S DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATED PROGRAM STANDARDS, AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE
FIVE STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), OR ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY
PROCEDURE (ACISP)
Airport IDNameCityStateNautical Miles
From
RDURaleigh-Durham InternationalRALEIGH/DURHAMNC0.5
Size and location:
Centered on 354623N 0783821W:
10-nm-radius no-fly zone up to 17,999-ft-MSL
Effective time:
1025 local until 1310 local Feb 10
Requirements for flight 10-30 nm area:
Limited to arriving or departing local airfields
Must be on active VFR or IFR flight plan
Squawk discrete code obtained from ATC
Two-way communication with ATC
No loitering
Operations not authorized: FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES,
AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG
GLIDING, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, BALLOON OPERATIONS,
ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, AND COMMERCIAL CARGO/CARRIER
OPERATIONS THAT FAIL TO MEET OR EXCEED THE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
S DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATED PROGRAM STANDARDS, AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE
FIVE STANDARD SECURITY PROGRAM (TFSSP), OR ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL SECURITY
PROCEDURE (ACISP)
Airport IDNameCityStateNautical Miles
From
5W5Triple WRALEIGHNC9.5
RDURaleigh-Durham InternationalRALEIGH/DURHAMNC9.8
Julius Hagin
jhagin@earthlink.net
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Airspace Bulletin
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Larry,
Just wanted to tell you that, I (for one at least) really appreciate you
posting those TFRs that occur in our flying area. Certainly our
responsibility to stay up on such, but appreciate it just the same.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: AOPA ePilot -- North Carolina Airspace
Bulletin
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Innodyn Turbines |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: ATRdriver@aol.com
Hi All,
My dad just sent me this link as I am planning to start an RV-8 project
soon. These folks seem to be targeting the RV market and, once again, the RV
community may lead the way in innovation! Check out the RV-4 movies on the
"Innodyn in Action" tab. You'll be amazed! With an estimated 5000 hr TBO,
reduction gear box oil change every 500 hrs and igniter plug changes every 2 yrs
or 1000 hrs, this may be the wave of the future! It looks like these people
are also planning on firewall forward kits for all RVs. Check it out at:
_http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html_
(http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html)
Enjoy!
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Innodyn Turbines |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Terry,
Having been around the experimental and RV segment of aviation for a spell,
I have seen on the average at least 1-3 "engines of the future" unveiled
each year, some you see once, some have been around for almost 2 decades,
but none have yet turned into an available product. So you start to take
all claims with a grain of salt until you actually see one met the typical
evaluation criterion of a Lycoming type installation. You know, cost,
weight, fuel burn, power, reliability, sustainability, etcilities backed up
by independently certified data.
The one thing that I don't yet see (although they stated they working on
it) are the fuel burn for the turbines. A number of attempts have been made
in the past. Turbines have been installed in RVs before and will certainly
work, there is no question about that - however, the horrid fuel burn at
altitudes that most RVs are flow at considerably reduce the range of the
aircraft and viability of the combination. So, my personal opinion (and
that's all it is) is that if they can produce fuel flow rates "comparable"
(not quite certain what that means - within 2%, 5%, 10%, 20%?) with piston
engines for HP output, then they may have something - until I see those
figures, I remain skeptical.
I am certainly all for alternative engines, I fly an RV-6A powered by a
Mazda Rotary engine, so I am eager to see a successful turbine package -
just have not, as of yet. This could be the one. But, if indeed they are
can get comparable fuel burn and HP in a turbine "comparable" to a
reciprocating (or rotary {:>)), then they have a technological edge over
everyone else producing small turbines and I want to buy stock in the
company. The market will be tremendous - just think of all the vehicle (and
other) manufactories who will want the reliability of a turbine with the
power and fuel burn of a reciprocating engine!
Good luck on your project (what ever engine)
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> Hi All,
>
> My dad just sent me this link as I am planning to start an RV-8 project
> soon. These folks seem to be targeting the RV market and, once again, the
RV
> community may lead the way in innovation! Check out the RV-4 movies on
the
> "Innodyn in Action" tab. You'll be amazed! With an estimated 5000 hr
TBO,
> reduction gear box oil change every 500 hrs and igniter plug changes
every 2 yrs
> or 1000 hrs, this may be the wave of the future! It looks like these
people
> are also planning on firewall forward kits for all RVs. Check it out at:
>
> _http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html_
> (http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html)
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | Innodyn Turbines |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Ed,
That was a very well thought out answer and I would like to add one
item.
Chrysler built a turbine powered car back in the early sixties (web
site: http://www.turbinecar.com/top.htm) that was supposed to be "The
car of the future". Funny how all of my cars have internal combustion
reciprocating engines forty years later.
Interestingly enough, I couldn't find a reference to the cars fuel
consumption, which I assume was horrible and would limit the cars range
since it had a 21 gallon tank.
This was another engine of the future that just didn't make it to market
although I have to give Chrysler a lot of credit for building the cars
and letting ordinary citizens test them. That is something that would
never happen in today's litigious society.
Bill Repucci
RV-9 Fuselage
N941WR reserved
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Anderson
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
--> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Terry,
Having been around the experimental and RV segment of aviation for a
spell, I have seen on the average at least 1-3 "engines of the future"
unveiled each year, some you see once, some have been around for almost
2 decades, but none have yet turned into an available product. So you
start to take all claims with a grain of salt until you actually see one
met the typical evaluation criterion of a Lycoming type installation.
You know, cost, weight, fuel burn, power, reliability, sustainability,
etcilities backed up by independently certified data.
The one thing that I don't yet see (although they stated they working
on
it) are the fuel burn for the turbines. A number of attempts have been
made in the past. Turbines have been installed in RVs before and will
certainly work, there is no question about that - however, the horrid
fuel burn at altitudes that most RVs are flow at considerably reduce the
range of the aircraft and viability of the combination. So, my personal
opinion (and that's all it is) is that if they can produce fuel flow
rates "comparable" (not quite certain what that means - within 2%, 5%,
10%, 20%?) with piston engines for HP output, then they may have
something - until I see those figures, I remain skeptical.
I am certainly all for alternative engines, I fly an RV-6A powered by a
Mazda Rotary engine, so I am eager to see a successful turbine package -
just have not, as of yet. This could be the one. But, if indeed they
are can get comparable fuel burn and HP in a turbine "comparable" to a
reciprocating (or rotary {:>)), then they have a technological edge over
everyone else producing small turbines and I want to buy stock in the
company. The market will be tremendous - just think of all the vehicle
(and
other) manufactories who will want the reliability of a turbine with the
power and fuel burn of a reciprocating engine!
Good luck on your project (what ever engine)
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> Hi All,
>
> My dad just sent me this link as I am planning to start an RV-8
> project soon. These folks seem to be targeting the RV market and,
> once again, the
RV
> community may lead the way in innovation! Check out the RV-4 movies
> on
the
> "Innodyn in Action" tab. You'll be amazed! With an estimated 5000
> hr
TBO,
> reduction gear box oil change every 500 hrs and igniter plug changes
every 2 yrs
> or 1000 hrs, this may be the wave of the future! It looks like these
people
> are also planning on firewall forward kits for all RVs. Check it out
> at:
>
> _http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html_
> (http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html)
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | Ken Harrill, James Clark, Bill Crothers |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Guys:
Any practice for Palmetto Flight this weekend?
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Innodyn Turbines |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Bill,
Yes, I go that back that far (and further {:>)) and recall when the Chrysler
Turbine made all the car news - but. alas as you say, it was not to be. I
suspect had the $$ of the auto industry been behind an effort to make the
turbine the engine of the future, they would be much better at fuel
consumption than we find today - at least for the small turbines.
I hope someone succeeds - as it would sure make a nice, light and powerful
engine - but, its tough to beat the reciprocating engine for converting fuel
energy into work energy.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> That was a very well thought out answer and I would like to add one
> item.
>
> Chrysler built a turbine powered car back in the early sixties (web
> site: http://www.turbinecar.com/top.htm) that was supposed to be "The
> car of the future". Funny how all of my cars have internal combustion
> reciprocating engines forty years later.
>
> Interestingly enough, I couldn't find a reference to the cars fuel
> consumption, which I assume was horrible and would limit the cars range
> since it had a 21 gallon tank.
>
> This was another engine of the future that just didn't make it to market
> although I have to give Chrysler a lot of credit for building the cars
> and letting ordinary citizens test them. That is something that would
> never happen in today's litigious society.
>
> Bill Repucci
> RV-9 Fuselage
> N941WR reserved
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed
> Anderson
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> --> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Having been around the experimental and RV segment of aviation for a
> spell, I have seen on the average at least 1-3 "engines of the future"
> unveiled each year, some you see once, some have been around for almost
> 2 decades, but none have yet turned into an available product. So you
> start to take all claims with a grain of salt until you actually see one
> met the typical evaluation criterion of a Lycoming type installation.
> You know, cost, weight, fuel burn, power, reliability, sustainability,
> etcilities backed up by independently certified data.
>
> The one thing that I don't yet see (although they stated they working
> on
> it) are the fuel burn for the turbines. A number of attempts have been
> made in the past. Turbines have been installed in RVs before and will
> certainly work, there is no question about that - however, the horrid
> fuel burn at altitudes that most RVs are flow at considerably reduce the
> range of the aircraft and viability of the combination. So, my personal
> opinion (and that's all it is) is that if they can produce fuel flow
> rates "comparable" (not quite certain what that means - within 2%, 5%,
> 10%, 20%?) with piston engines for HP output, then they may have
> something - until I see those figures, I remain skeptical.
>
> I am certainly all for alternative engines, I fly an RV-6A powered by a
> Mazda Rotary engine, so I am eager to see a successful turbine package -
> just have not, as of yet. This could be the one. But, if indeed they
> are can get comparable fuel burn and HP in a turbine "comparable" to a
> reciprocating (or rotary {:>)), then they have a technological edge over
> everyone else producing small turbines and I want to buy stock in the
> company. The market will be tremendous - just think of all the vehicle
> (and
> other) manufactories who will want the reliability of a turbine with the
> power and fuel burn of a reciprocating engine!
>
> Good luck on your project (what ever engine)
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My dad just sent me this link as I am planning to start an RV-8
> > project soon. These folks seem to be targeting the RV market and,
> > once again, the
> RV
> > community may lead the way in innovation! Check out the RV-4 movies
> > on
> the
> > "Innodyn in Action" tab. You'll be amazed! With an estimated 5000
> > hr
> TBO,
> > reduction gear box oil change every 500 hrs and igniter plug changes
> every 2 yrs
> > or 1000 hrs, this may be the wave of the future! It looks like these
> people
> > are also planning on firewall forward kits for all RVs. Check it out
>
> > at:
> >
> > _http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html_
> > (http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html)
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Innodyn Turbines |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Agreed! Your rotary is about the closest thing we to a practical small
turbine engine.
I would still like to see an RV with a fully cowled radial engine
though. A -6,7, or 9 might look something like a Spartan Executive.
Man, how I love those old round engines!
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Anderson
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
--> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Bill,
Yes, I go that back that far (and further {:>)) and recall when the
Chrysler Turbine made all the car news - but. alas as you say, it was
not to be. I suspect had the $$ of the auto industry been behind an
effort to make the turbine the engine of the future, they would be much
better at fuel consumption than we find today - at least for the small
turbines.
I hope someone succeeds - as it would sure make a nice, light and
powerful engine - but, its tough to beat the reciprocating engine for
converting fuel energy into work energy.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci"
> --> <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> That was a very well thought out answer and I would like to add one
> item.
>
> Chrysler built a turbine powered car back in the early sixties (web
> site: http://www.turbinecar.com/top.htm) that was supposed to be "The
> car of the future". Funny how all of my cars have internal combustion
> reciprocating engines forty years later.
>
> Interestingly enough, I couldn't find a reference to the cars fuel
> consumption, which I assume was horrible and would limit the cars
> range since it had a 21 gallon tank.
>
> This was another engine of the future that just didn't make it to
> market although I have to give Chrysler a lot of credit for building
> the cars and letting ordinary citizens test them. That is something
> that would never happen in today's litigious society.
>
> Bill Repucci
> RV-9 Fuselage
> N941WR reserved
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed
> Anderson
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Innodyn Turbines
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> --> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Having been around the experimental and RV segment of aviation for a
> spell, I have seen on the average at least 1-3 "engines of the future"
> unveiled each year, some you see once, some have been around for
> almost 2 decades, but none have yet turned into an available product.
> So you start to take all claims with a grain of salt until you
> actually see one met the typical evaluation criterion of a Lycoming
> type installation. You know, cost, weight, fuel burn, power,
> reliability, sustainability, etcilities backed up by independently
> certified data.
>
> The one thing that I don't yet see (although they stated they working
> on
> it) are the fuel burn for the turbines. A number of attempts have
> been made in the past. Turbines have been installed in RVs before and
> will certainly work, there is no question about that - however, the
> horrid fuel burn at altitudes that most RVs are flow at considerably
> reduce the range of the aircraft and viability of the combination.
> So, my personal opinion (and that's all it is) is that if they can
> produce fuel flow rates "comparable" (not quite certain what that
> means - within 2%, 5%, 10%, 20%?) with piston engines for HP output,
> then they may have something - until I see those figures, I remain
> skeptical.
>
> I am certainly all for alternative engines, I fly an RV-6A powered by
> a Mazda Rotary engine, so I am eager to see a successful turbine
> package - just have not, as of yet. This could be the one. But, if
> indeed they are can get comparable fuel burn and HP in a turbine
> "comparable" to a reciprocating (or rotary {:>)), then they have a
> technological edge over everyone else producing small turbines and I
> want to buy stock in the company. The market will be tremendous - just
> think of all the vehicle (and
> other) manufactories who will want the reliability of a turbine with
> the power and fuel burn of a reciprocating engine!
>
> Good luck on your project (what ever engine)
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My dad just sent me this link as I am planning to start an RV-8
> > project soon. These folks seem to be targeting the RV market and,
> > once again, the
> RV
> > community may lead the way in innovation! Check out the RV-4 movies
> > on
> the
> > "Innodyn in Action" tab. You'll be amazed! With an estimated 5000
> > hr
> TBO,
> > reduction gear box oil change every 500 hrs and igniter plug
> > changes
> every 2 yrs
> > or 1000 hrs, this may be the wave of the future! It looks like
> > these
> people
> > are also planning on firewall forward kits for all RVs. Check it
> > out
>
> > at:
> >
> > _http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html_
> > (http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/innodyn_turbines.html)
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Terry
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Guys,
I remember some info about a fly-in near Ocala on March 12. Can someone
send me the details. Looks like my schedule has changed and I will be
available now.
Steve Glasgow
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Steve, here is the orginal invite I got from Esten Spears. Via later e
mail, he said that they would love to have us (no camping on the airpark but
they would provide transformation to local motels for an overnight) . But,
in any case, you need to reference this and send him your e mail address and
he'll send you and invite.
Ed
Original Message -----
From: Esten Spears
Subject: Fw: Invitation to "We Love RV's" Luncheon at Leeward Air Ranch
Ed Anderson,
You are invited to our "We Love Rv's" Luncheon March 12th at Leeward Air
Ranch. This years gathering is hosted by The Leeward Air Ranch RVators. The
activities will be at the Leeward Air Ranch Community Center which is right
on the taxi way near the NorthWest end. Plan to arrive between 8:30 and
10:30AM. We are planning to have coffee & doughnuts for the early arrivals.
We plan to serve lunch (Barbecue) around noon.
We understand that weather can change anyones plans to attend at the
last minute but would appreciate it if your schedule changes and you know
ahead of time you can't attend, Please notify us at ewspears@comcast.net
Also ask any of your RV enthusiest friends to notify us for their
invitation.
We Look Forward to Visiting with You on the 12th!
The RV Enthusiasts at Leeward Air Ranch
Flying Diractions
Leeward Air Ranch is a Private Sport Aviation Community. Location is 11NM on
the 118 deg Radial from the Ocala VOR (OCF 113.7) and is on the Sectional
symbol FD04. The coordinates are 29 05.6' N and 82 02.0' W. The runway is
N-S, 6247' Long X 250' Wide Smooth Turf. The Taxiway is adjacent running the
full length on the West side of the runway. Please use taxiway which will
keep the runway open for arrivals. We use a Left Pattern for Runway 36 and a
Right Pattern for Runway 18. The CTAF is 122.9 and we will have someone to
advise on active runway and any traffic they are aware of. During this event
we will displace the North End Threshold about 1200' so please favor the
south end of the runway on your landing.
From Orlando: (50 to 75 minutes)
(If you would like to drive through Ocala, take the Fla. Turnpike to 1-75,
follow the From 1-75 directions and allow an additiona/15 minutes.)
North on Fla. Turnpike to Wildwood US301 North exit. Then proceed north
about 15 miles to Belleview. (If you miss the exit, the Turnpike extension
you are on will merge into 1-75, so take 1-75 North and follow From 1.75
directions.) Turn left at traffic signal on US441/301/27 North and go about
2 blocks to next traffic signal and
turn right on SR25 South and go about 4 blocks. When you cross the railroad
tracks, make an Immediate left at the traffic signal on SR35 North (aka
Baseline Rd). Proceed 2'1, miles to SE 85th Lane. Turn right and go 1 mile
to the entrance. Call "111" from gate for the office or call any Leeward. If
you see Associated Grocers Warehouse on the right, you went too far.
From 1-75: (50 mins from Gainesville and 90 mins from Tampa)
1-75 to Exit 350 (SR200 North Ocala). Turn northeast onto SR200 and proceed
2 miles to SR464 East (aka SW 17th St) at the Buick dealership. Turn right
and go 7 miles east to SR35 South (aka Baseline Rd) at traffic signal. Turn
right. Proceed 2'1, miles south to SE 85th Lane just past Associated Grocers
warehouse. Turn left and go 1 mile to the entrance.
From Ocala Municipal Airport: (15 - 20 minutes)
Exiting airport, turn right onto SW 60th Ave. Turn left at the next
Intersection On to SW 20th St. Continue for 3 miles to SR200. Turn left on
SR 200 and proceed northeast about a ,/, mile to SR 464 East (aka S..W. 17th
St.) at Buick dealership. Turn right and go 7 miles east to SR35 South (aka
Baseline Rd) at traffic signal. Turn right. Proceed 2,/, miles south to SE
85th Lane Just past Associated Grocers Warehouse. Turn left and go 1 mile to
the entrance. Take the second left after going through the gate and you
will be right in front of the Community Center. Park in the area immediately
in front.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
<willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I remember some info about a fly-in near Ocala on March 12. Can someone
> send me the details. Looks like my schedule has changed and I will be
> available now.
>
> Steve Glasgow
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Ed, I will try to make it.
Steve Glasgow
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Steve, here is the orginal invite I got from Esten Spears. Via later e
> mail, he said that they would love to have us (no camping on the airpark
> but
> they would provide transformation to local motels for an overnight) .
> But,
> in any case, you need to reference this and send him your e mail address
> and
> he'll send you and invite.
>
> Ed
>
> Original Message -----
> From: Esten Spears
> To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> Subject: Fw: Invitation to "We Love RV's" Luncheon at Leeward Air Ranch
>
>
> Ed Anderson,
> You are invited to our "We Love Rv's" Luncheon March 12th at Leeward
> Air
> Ranch. This years gathering is hosted by The Leeward Air Ranch RVators.
> The
> activities will be at the Leeward Air Ranch Community Center which is
> right
> on the taxi way near the NorthWest end. Plan to arrive between 8:30 and
> 10:30AM. We are planning to have coffee & doughnuts for the early
> arrivals.
> We plan to serve lunch (Barbecue) around noon.
> We understand that weather can change anyones plans to attend at the
> last minute but would appreciate it if your schedule changes and you know
> ahead of time you can't attend, Please notify us at ewspears@comcast.net
> Also ask any of your RV enthusiest friends to notify us for their
> invitation.
>
>
> We Look Forward to Visiting with You on the 12th!
> The RV Enthusiasts at Leeward Air Ranch
>
>
> Flying Diractions
>
> Leeward Air Ranch is a Private Sport Aviation Community. Location is 11NM
> on
> the 118 deg Radial from the Ocala VOR (OCF 113.7) and is on the Sectional
> symbol FD04. The coordinates are 29 05.6' N and 82 02.0' W. The runway is
> N-S, 6247' Long X 250' Wide Smooth Turf. The Taxiway is adjacent running
> the
> full length on the West side of the runway. Please use taxiway which will
> keep the runway open for arrivals. We use a Left Pattern for Runway 36 and
> a
> Right Pattern for Runway 18. The CTAF is 122.9 and we will have someone to
> advise on active runway and any traffic they are aware of. During this
> event
> we will displace the North End Threshold about 1200' so please favor the
> south end of the runway on your landing.
>
>
> From Orlando: (50 to 75 minutes)
>
> (If you would like to drive through Ocala, take the Fla. Turnpike to 1-75,
> follow the From 1-75 directions and allow an additiona/15 minutes.)
>
> North on Fla. Turnpike to Wildwood US301 North exit. Then proceed north
> about 15 miles to Belleview. (If you miss the exit, the Turnpike extension
> you are on will merge into 1-75, so take 1-75 North and follow From 1.75
> directions.) Turn left at traffic signal on US441/301/27 North and go
> about
> 2 blocks to next traffic signal and
>
> turn right on SR25 South and go about 4 blocks. When you cross the
> railroad
> tracks, make an Immediate left at the traffic signal on SR35 North (aka
> Baseline Rd). Proceed 2'1, miles to SE 85th Lane. Turn right and go 1 mile
> to the entrance. Call "111" from gate for the office or call any Leeward.
> If
> you see Associated Grocers Warehouse on the right, you went too far.
>
> From 1-75: (50 mins from Gainesville and 90 mins from Tampa)
>
> 1-75 to Exit 350 (SR200 North Ocala). Turn northeast onto SR200 and
> proceed
> 2 miles to SR464 East (aka SW 17th St) at the Buick dealership. Turn right
> and go 7 miles east to SR35 South (aka Baseline Rd) at traffic signal.
> Turn
> right. Proceed 2'1, miles south to SE 85th Lane just past Associated
> Grocers
> warehouse. Turn left and go 1 mile to the entrance.
>
>
> From Ocala Municipal Airport: (15 - 20 minutes)
>
> Exiting airport, turn right onto SW 60th Ave. Turn left at the next
> Intersection On to SW 20th St. Continue for 3 miles to SR200. Turn left on
> SR 200 and proceed northeast about a ,/, mile to SR 464 East (aka S..W.
> 17th
> St.) at Buick dealership. Turn right and go 7 miles east to SR35 South
> (aka
> Baseline Rd) at traffic signal. Turn right. Proceed 2,/, miles south to SE
> 85th Lane Just past Associated Grocers Warehouse. Turn left and go 1 mile
> to
> the entrance. Take the second left after going through the gate and you
> will be right in front of the Community Center. Park in the area
> immediately
> in front.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> To: "SERV" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
>
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I remember some info about a fly-in near Ocala on March 12. Can someone
>> send me the details. Looks like my schedule has changed and I will be
>> available now.
>>
>> Steve Glasgow
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Another excuse to fly is free hotdogs and discounted gas at Mt Airey (MWK)
Saturday at lunch time. Just FYI...
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly@carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:46 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> --> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Ed, I will try to make it.
>
> Steve Glasgow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > Steve, here is the orginal invite I got from Esten Spears.
> Via later e
> > mail, he said that they would love to have us (no camping
> on the airpark
> > but
> > they would provide transformation to local motels for an
> overnight) .
> > But,
> > in any case, you need to reference this and send him your e
> mail address
> > and
> > he'll send you and invite.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Original Message -----
> > From: Esten Spears
> > To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> > Subject: Fw: Invitation to "We Love RV's" Luncheon at
> Leeward Air Ranch
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson,
> > You are invited to our "We Love Rv's" Luncheon March
> 12th at Leeward
> > Air
> > Ranch. This years gathering is hosted by The Leeward Air
> Ranch RVators.
> > The
> > activities will be at the Leeward Air Ranch Community
> Center which is
> > right
> > on the taxi way near the NorthWest end. Plan to arrive
> between 8:30 and
> > 10:30AM. We are planning to have coffee & doughnuts for the early
> > arrivals.
> > We plan to serve lunch (Barbecue) around noon.
> > We understand that weather can change anyones plans to
> attend at the
> > last minute but would appreciate it if your schedule
> changes and you know
> > ahead of time you can't attend, Please notify us at
> ewspears@comcast.net
> > Also ask any of your RV enthusiest friends to notify us for their
> > invitation.
> >
> >
> > We Look Forward to Visiting with You on the 12th!
> > The RV Enthusiasts at Leeward Air Ranch
> >
> >
> > Flying Diractions
> >
> > Leeward Air Ranch is a Private Sport Aviation Community.
> Location is 11NM
> > on
> > the 118 deg Radial from the Ocala VOR (OCF 113.7) and is on
> the Sectional
> > symbol FD04. The coordinates are 29 05.6' N and 82 02.0' W.
> The runway is
> > N-S, 6247' Long X 250' Wide Smooth Turf. The Taxiway is
> adjacent running
> > the
> > full length on the West side of the runway. Please use
> taxiway which will
> > keep the runway open for arrivals. We use a Left Pattern
> for Runway 36 and
> > a
> > Right Pattern for Runway 18. The CTAF is 122.9 and we will
> have someone to
> > advise on active runway and any traffic they are aware of.
> During this
> > event
> > we will displace the North End Threshold about 1200' so
> please favor the
> > south end of the runway on your landing.
> >
> >
> > From Orlando: (50 to 75 minutes)
> >
> > (If you would like to drive through Ocala, take the Fla.
> Turnpike to 1-75,
> > follow the From 1-75 directions and allow an additiona/15 minutes.)
> >
> > North on Fla. Turnpike to Wildwood US301 North exit. Then
> proceed north
> > about 15 miles to Belleview. (If you miss the exit, the
> Turnpike extension
> > you are on will merge into 1-75, so take 1-75 North and
> follow From 1.75
> > directions.) Turn left at traffic signal on US441/301/27
> North and go
> > about
> > 2 blocks to next traffic signal and
> >
> > turn right on SR25 South and go about 4 blocks. When you cross the
> > railroad
> > tracks, make an Immediate left at the traffic signal on
> SR35 North (aka
> > Baseline Rd). Proceed 2'1, miles to SE 85th Lane. Turn
> right and go 1 mile
> > to the entrance. Call "111" from gate for the office or
> call any Leeward.
> > If
> > you see Associated Grocers Warehouse on the right, you went too far.
> >
> > From 1-75: (50 mins from Gainesville and 90 mins from Tampa)
> >
> > 1-75 to Exit 350 (SR200 North Ocala). Turn northeast onto SR200 and
> > proceed
> > 2 miles to SR464 East (aka SW 17th St) at the Buick
> dealership. Turn right
> > and go 7 miles east to SR35 South (aka Baseline Rd) at
> traffic signal.
> > Turn
> > right. Proceed 2'1, miles south to SE 85th Lane just past
> Associated
> > Grocers
> > warehouse. Turn left and go 1 mile to the entrance.
> >
> >
> > From Ocala Municipal Airport: (15 - 20 minutes)
> >
> > Exiting airport, turn right onto SW 60th Ave. Turn left at the next
> > Intersection On to SW 20th St. Continue for 3 miles to
> SR200. Turn left on
> > SR 200 and proceed northeast about a ,/, mile to SR 464
> East (aka S..W.
> > 17th
> > St.) at Buick dealership. Turn right and go 7 miles east to
> SR35 South
> > (aka
> > Baseline Rd) at traffic signal. Turn right. Proceed 2,/,
> miles south to SE
> > 85th Lane Just past Associated Grocers Warehouse. Turn left
> and go 1 mile
> > to
> > the entrance. Take the second left after going through the
> gate and you
> > will be right in front of the Community Center. Park in the area
> > immediately
> > in front.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> > To: "SERV" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: March 12
> >
> >
> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> I remember some info about a fly-in near Ocala on March
> 12. Can someone
> >> send me the details. Looks like my schedule has changed
> and I will be
> >> available now.
> >>
> >> Steve Glasgow
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =========
> =========
> =========
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <scott@keadle.com> with HTTP/1.1;
Ed,
I can't figure out where to get Esten Spears email address,
but I was planning on going down also. BTW, after I gave you
so much grief about going to Stanton's the other day, I ended
up having to stay home (and miserably earthbound) all weekend
after an allergic reaction to mango. Now I'm "itching" to fly
again. Hoping you have Esten's address.
Scott
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