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1. 05:11 AM - Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS (Ron Schreck)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS (Larry Bowen)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS (Steve Glasgow)
4. 08:54 AM - Monster Garage Trip (Lenleg@aol.com)
5. 10:53 AM - Any SERV patches remaining?? (Ed Anderson)
6. 11:28 AM - Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? (Lenleg@aol.com)
7. 12:30 PM - Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS (Ron Schreck)
8. 01:51 PM - Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? (SportAV8R@aol.com)
9. 01:57 PM - T shirts ()
10. 06:52 PM - Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? (Larry Bowen)
11. 07:12 PM - Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? (Ed Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
Bud,
The RV-8 Aerobatic Gross Weight is 1600 pounds. If you have a typical
empty weight of 1100 pounds that gives you 500 pounds for people and fuel.
If you and your passenger weigh 425 then you can only put on roughly 10
gallons of fuel. Also, you must stay within the aerobatic aft CG limit of
26.5% of chord or 15.3 inches aft of datum (leading edge of wing). Having
said this, remember that the aerobatic gross weight is the maximum weight
that the structure of the airplane can support the 6G limit of the
Aerobatic Category. A typical loop requires about 3 1/2 G's, far from the
maximum structural limit. Personally, I have no problem with doing a loop
with the gross weight slightly above the 1600 pound aerobatic limit, but I
would be cautious about exceeding the aerobatic aft CG limit, especially if
you are doing high angle of attack maneuvers such as stalls and spins or
maneuvers that could put you into a high AOA situation if you screw it up,
like a hammerhead turn or immelman. There are a few small computer programs
that will compute your weight and CG for different loading situations. They
are fun to play with will clearly demonstrate the limits of your RV-8.
Dan Checkoway has some data on various RV's that show the aircraft
weights for different engine/prop combinations. Check it out at
http://rvproject.com/wab/. You can click on any of the aircraft listed and
then input your sample load data to see what happens to your gross weight
and CG. Dan's site has a wealth of information and you can spend hours
flipping through it!
My suggestion: build your aircraft as light as you can. All of the fancy
instruments and bells and whistles are nice, but they all detract from your
performance and useful load. Take a look at an all-out aerobatic aircraft
like an Extra. Most have a basic VFR panel with a handheld GPS, no interior
paneling, carpeting or soundproofing. But if you are building an RV-8, you
are not interested in unlimited aerobatics so your aircraft will have many
compromises that suit your particular needs. (After all, this is why you
are building a custom airplane, right?) I enjoy an airplane that feels like
a fighter; is fast enough that cross-country travel is a pleasure, not an
adventure; is comfortable in formation and turns me upside down when I feel
like it. The RV-8 fills all of my needs. Hope yours does the same.
Ron Schreck
RV-8, Finishing FWF
Gold Hill, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
>
> Hello;
>
> I am beginning construction of an RV8. A friend told me this morning that
it
> is not possible to do loops in an RV8 with 2 people on board. Is this
true?
> I will be flying with an IO 360 A1A. Myself and passenger will each weigh
> 210-225. Let me know what you all think. Thanks
>
> Bud Silvers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I'm pretty sure the first generation of RV-8's has a 1550# aerobatic limit. I
don't know at which serial number they changed to 1600.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Quoting Ron Schreck <ronschreck@webkorner.com>:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
> <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
>
> Bud,
> The RV-8 Aerobatic Gross Weight is 1600 pounds. If you have a typical
> empty weight of 1100 pounds that gives you 500 pounds for people and fuel.
> If you and your passenger weigh 425 then you can only put on roughly 10
> gallons of fuel. Also, you must stay within the aerobatic aft CG limit of
> 26.5% of chord or 15.3 inches aft of datum (leading edge of wing). Having
> said this, remember that the aerobatic gross weight is the maximum weight
> that the structure of the airplane can support the 6G limit of the
> Aerobatic Category. A typical loop requires about 3 1/2 G's, far from the
> maximum structural limit. Personally, I have no problem with doing a loop
> with the gross weight slightly above the 1600 pound aerobatic limit, but I
> would be cautious about exceeding the aerobatic aft CG limit, especially if
> you are doing high angle of attack maneuvers such as stalls and spins or
> maneuvers that could put you into a high AOA situation if you screw it up,
> like a hammerhead turn or immelman. There are a few small computer programs
> that will compute your weight and CG for different loading situations. They
> are fun to play with will clearly demonstrate the limits of your RV-8.
> Dan Checkoway has some data on various RV's that show the aircraft
> weights for different engine/prop combinations. Check it out at
> http://rvproject.com/wab/. You can click on any of the aircraft listed and
> then input your sample load data to see what happens to your gross weight
> and CG. Dan's site has a wealth of information and you can spend hours
> flipping through it!
> My suggestion: build your aircraft as light as you can. All of the fancy
> instruments and bells and whistles are nice, but they all detract from your
> performance and useful load. Take a look at an all-out aerobatic aircraft
> like an Extra. Most have a basic VFR panel with a handheld GPS, no interior
> paneling, carpeting or soundproofing. But if you are building an RV-8, you
> are not interested in unlimited aerobatics so your aircraft will have many
> compromises that suit your particular needs. (After all, this is why you
> are building a custom airplane, right?) I enjoy an airplane that feels like
> a fighter; is fast enough that cross-country travel is a pleasure, not an
> adventure; is comfortable in formation and turns me upside down when I feel
> like it. The RV-8 fills all of my needs. Hope yours does the same.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, Finishing FWF
> Gold Hill, NC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
> To: "RV LIST" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
>
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
>>
>> Hello;
>>
>> I am beginning construction of an RV8. A friend told me this morning that
> it
>> is not possible to do loops in an RV8 with 2 people on board. Is this
> true?
>> I will be flying with an IO 360 A1A. Myself and passenger will each weigh
>> 210-225. Let me know what you all think. Thanks
>>
>> Bud Silvers
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
The limit change to 1600 lbs came when you were no longer required to put
bolts in the spar holes that are used by the trike. Mine is 1600 / fuse
#1005 and rivets were placed in these holes at the factory. So sometime
before #1005 the change was made.
Steve Glasgow
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> I'm pretty sure the first generation of RV-8's has a 1550# aerobatic
> limit. I
> don't know at which serial number they changed to 1600.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> Quoting Ron Schreck <ronschreck@webkorner.com>:
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
>> <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
>>
>> Bud,
>> The RV-8 Aerobatic Gross Weight is 1600 pounds. If you have a typical
>> empty weight of 1100 pounds that gives you 500 pounds for people and
>> fuel.
>> If you and your passenger weigh 425 then you can only put on roughly 10
>> gallons of fuel. Also, you must stay within the aerobatic aft CG limit
>> of
>> 26.5% of chord or 15.3 inches aft of datum (leading edge of wing).
>> Having
>> said this, remember that the aerobatic gross weight is the maximum weight
>> that the structure of the airplane can support the 6G limit of the
>> Aerobatic Category. A typical loop requires about 3 1/2 G's, far from
>> the
>> maximum structural limit. Personally, I have no problem with doing a
>> loop
>> with the gross weight slightly above the 1600 pound aerobatic limit, but
>> I
>> would be cautious about exceeding the aerobatic aft CG limit, especially
>> if
>> you are doing high angle of attack maneuvers such as stalls and spins or
>> maneuvers that could put you into a high AOA situation if you screw it
>> up,
>> like a hammerhead turn or immelman. There are a few small computer
>> programs
>> that will compute your weight and CG for different loading situations.
>> They
>> are fun to play with will clearly demonstrate the limits of your RV-8.
>> Dan Checkoway has some data on various RV's that show the aircraft
>> weights for different engine/prop combinations. Check it out at
>> http://rvproject.com/wab/. You can click on any of the aircraft listed
>> and
>> then input your sample load data to see what happens to your gross weight
>> and CG. Dan's site has a wealth of information and you can spend hours
>> flipping through it!
>> My suggestion: build your aircraft as light as you can. All of the
>> fancy
>> instruments and bells and whistles are nice, but they all detract from
>> your
>> performance and useful load. Take a look at an all-out aerobatic
>> aircraft
>> like an Extra. Most have a basic VFR panel with a handheld GPS, no
>> interior
>> paneling, carpeting or soundproofing. But if you are building an RV-8,
>> you
>> are not interested in unlimited aerobatics so your aircraft will have
>> many
>> compromises that suit your particular needs. (After all, this is why you
>> are building a custom airplane, right?) I enjoy an airplane that feels
>> like
>> a fighter; is fast enough that cross-country travel is a pleasure, not an
>> adventure; is comfortable in formation and turns me upside down when I
>> feel
>> like it. The RV-8 fills all of my needs. Hope yours does the same.
>>
>> Ron Schreck
>> RV-8, Finishing FWF
>> Gold Hill, NC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
>> To: "RV LIST" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
>>
>>
>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
>>>
>>> Hello;
>>>
>>> I am beginning construction of an RV8. A friend told me this morning
>>> that
>> it
>>> is not possible to do loops in an RV8 with 2 people on board. Is this
>> true?
>>> I will be flying with an IO 360 A1A. Myself and passenger will each
>>> weigh
>>> 210-225. Let me know what you all think. Thanks
>>>
>>> Bud Silvers
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Monster Garage Trip |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
I will not be able to make this trip ... have an evening obligation. Sorry
...
Len
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| Subject: | Any SERV patches remaining?? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Say, Len, do you have any more of those Southeast RV squadron patches?
Ed A
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Monster Garage Trip
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> I will not be able to make this trip ... have an evening obligation.
Sorry
> ...
>
> Len
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 2/17/05 1:54:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
Say, Len, do you have any more of those Southeast RV squadron patches?
Ed A
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
Only have about 150 remaining so you better speak up or they will be gone by
2020 !!!
Len
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
Per Van's "For the RV-8/8A the aerobatic gross weight is 1600 lbs if the
airplane is fitted with the "dash one" wing supplied on Standard Kits after
november 12, 2000."
Ron Schreck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
<willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> The limit change to 1600 lbs came when you were no longer required to put
> bolts in the spar holes that are used by the trike. Mine is 1600 / fuse
> #1005 and rivets were placed in these holes at the factory. So sometime
> before #1005 the change was made.
>
> Steve Glasgow
> N123SG RV-8
> Cappy's Toy
> 704-362-0005
> 704-281-7884
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen
<Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the first generation of RV-8's has a 1550# aerobatic
> > limit. I
> > don't know at which serial number they changed to 1600.
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > Quoting Ron Schreck <ronschreck@webkorner.com>:
> >
> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
> >> <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
> >>
> >> Bud,
> >> The RV-8 Aerobatic Gross Weight is 1600 pounds. If you have a
typical
> >> empty weight of 1100 pounds that gives you 500 pounds for people and
> >> fuel.
> >> If you and your passenger weigh 425 then you can only put on roughly
10
> >> gallons of fuel. Also, you must stay within the aerobatic aft CG limit
> >> of
> >> 26.5% of chord or 15.3 inches aft of datum (leading edge of wing).
> >> Having
> >> said this, remember that the aerobatic gross weight is the maximum
weight
> >> that the structure of the airplane can support the 6G limit of the
> >> Aerobatic Category. A typical loop requires about 3 1/2 G's, far from
> >> the
> >> maximum structural limit. Personally, I have no problem with doing a
> >> loop
> >> with the gross weight slightly above the 1600 pound aerobatic limit,
but
> >> I
> >> would be cautious about exceeding the aerobatic aft CG limit,
especially
> >> if
> >> you are doing high angle of attack maneuvers such as stalls and spins
or
> >> maneuvers that could put you into a high AOA situation if you screw it
> >> up,
> >> like a hammerhead turn or immelman. There are a few small computer
> >> programs
> >> that will compute your weight and CG for different loading situations.
> >> They
> >> are fun to play with will clearly demonstrate the limits of your RV-8.
> >> Dan Checkoway has some data on various RV's that show the aircraft
> >> weights for different engine/prop combinations. Check it out at
> >> http://rvproject.com/wab/. You can click on any of the aircraft listed
> >> and
> >> then input your sample load data to see what happens to your gross
weight
> >> and CG. Dan's site has a wealth of information and you can spend hours
> >> flipping through it!
> >> My suggestion: build your aircraft as light as you can. All of the
> >> fancy
> >> instruments and bells and whistles are nice, but they all detract from
> >> your
> >> performance and useful load. Take a look at an all-out aerobatic
> >> aircraft
> >> like an Extra. Most have a basic VFR panel with a handheld GPS, no
> >> interior
> >> paneling, carpeting or soundproofing. But if you are building an RV-8,
> >> you
> >> are not interested in unlimited aerobatics so your aircraft will have
> >> many
> >> compromises that suit your particular needs. (After all, this is why
you
> >> are building a custom airplane, right?) I enjoy an airplane that feels
> >> like
> >> a fighter; is fast enough that cross-country travel is a pleasure, not
an
> >> adventure; is comfortable in formation and turns me upside down when I
> >> feel
> >> like it. The RV-8 fills all of my needs. Hope yours does the same.
> >>
> >> Ron Schreck
> >> RV-8, Finishing FWF
> >> Gold Hill, NC
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
> >> To: "RV LIST" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
> >>>
> >>> Hello;
> >>>
> >>> I am beginning construction of an RV8. A friend told me this morning
> >>> that
> >> it
> >>> is not possible to do loops in an RV8 with 2 people on board. Is this
> >> true?
> >>> I will be flying with an IO 360 A1A. Myself and passenger will each
> >>> weigh
> >>> 210-225. Let me know what you all think. Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Bud Silvers
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
when do we get our new duds to wear?
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <gtamvakis@earthlink.net>
Hey Len I was wondering if thr T-shirt order was a go i never heard anything
else . Did you get our money?
Thanks
George
=====================================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Len has entrusted me with 75 patches for distribution too. Whichever
one of us
you see next, just ask.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Quoting Lenleg@aol.com:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/17/05 1:54:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> Say, Len, do you have any more of those Southeast RV squadron patches?
>
> Ed A
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
> Only have about 150 remaining so you better speak up or they will be gone by
> 2020 !!!
>
> Len
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any SERV patches remaining?? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
In that case, I would like to pick up 5 more. I am in no hurry, so next time
at Stanton's would be fine and save you the trouble of mailing them.
Turns out my 3 young grandsons are "patch happy" - what better patch to
give them.
I have also attached several to T shirts using a "patch" glue for fabric -
will see how well they hold up.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lenleg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Any SERV patches remaining??
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 2/17/05 1:54:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
>
> Say, Len, do you have any more of those Southeast RV squadron patches?
>
> Ed A
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
>
> Only have about 150 remaining so you better speak up or they will be gone
by
> 2020 !!!
>
> Len
>
>
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