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1. 06:55 AM - Saturday Trip to Ky (Lenleg@aol.com)
2. 08:25 AM - Re: Saturday Trip to Ky (James E. Clark)
3. 08:42 AM - Re: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS (Larry Bowen)
4. 02:01 PM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/18/05 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
5. 03:19 PM - Re:W&B (Larry Bowen)
6. 04:40 PM - Re: Saturday Trip to Ky (David Davenport)
7. 05:45 PM - Re: Saturday Trip to Ky (Ed Anderson)
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| Subject: | Saturday Trip to Ky |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Well ... is the wx going to cooperate ??
Been some talk of those interested in meeting at Statesville, NC to make the
flight over to I39 together as a loose flight .... this will not be a
formation flight .... there are a few of us that will practice on the way over
but it
won't be a large formation flight ... more a very loose group of airplanes
going together .... all are welcome and it should be a lot of fun for SERV to
head over together !!!
All interested please speak up !!!
Len
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| Subject: | Saturday Trip to Ky |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
James is IN! (weather permitting)
{SNIP}
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| --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
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| Well ... is the wx going to cooperate ??
|
| Been some talk of those interested in meeting at Statesville, NC to make
| the
| flight over to I39 together as a loose flight .... this will not be a
| formation flight .... there are a few of us that will practice on the way
| over but it
| won't be a large formation flight ... more a very loose group of
| airplanes
| going together .... all are welcome and it should be a lot of fun for
| SERV to
| head over together !!!
|
| All interested please speak up !!!
|
| Len
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| Subject: | RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Thanks.
My wings were ordered back in Oct of 1998. Man, that seems like a long time
ago!
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Schreck [mailto:ronschreck@webkorner.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:22 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
> --> <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
>
> Per Van's "For the RV-8/8A the aerobatic gross weight is 1600
> lbs if the airplane is fitted with the "dash one" wing
> supplied on Standard Kits after november 12, 2000."
>
> Ron Schreck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > The limit change to 1600 lbs came when you were no longer
> required to
> > put bolts in the spar holes that are used by the trike.
> Mine is 1600
> > / fuse
> > #1005 and rivets were placed in these holes at the factory. So
> > sometime before #1005 the change was made.
> >
> > Steve Glasgow
> > N123SG RV-8
> > Cappy's Toy
> > 704-362-0005
> > 704-281-7884
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> >
> >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure the first generation of RV-8's has a
> 1550# aerobatic
> > > limit. I don't know at which serial number they changed to 1600.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Ron Schreck <ronschreck@webkorner.com>:
> > >
> > >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron Schreck"
> > >> <ronschreck@webkorner.com>
> > >>
> > >> Bud,
> > >> The RV-8 Aerobatic Gross Weight is 1600 pounds. If you have a
> typical
> > >> empty weight of 1100 pounds that gives you 500 pounds for people
> > >> and fuel.
> > >> If you and your passenger weigh 425 then you can only put on
> > >> roughly
> 10
> > >> gallons of fuel. Also, you must stay within the
> aerobatic aft CG
> > >> limit of 26.5% of chord or 15.3 inches aft of datum
> (leading edge
> > >> of wing).
> > >> Having
> > >> said this, remember that the aerobatic gross weight is
> the maximum
> weight
> > >> that the structure of the airplane can support the 6G
> limit of the
> > >> Aerobatic Category. A typical loop requires about 3 1/2
> G's, far
> > >> from the maximum structural limit. Personally, I have
> no problem
> > >> with doing a loop with the gross weight slightly above the 1600
> > >> pound aerobatic limit,
> but
> > >> I
> > >> would be cautious about exceeding the aerobatic aft CG limit,
> especially
> > >> if
> > >> you are doing high angle of attack maneuvers such as stalls and
> > >> spins
> or
> > >> maneuvers that could put you into a high AOA situation
> if you screw
> > >> it up, like a hammerhead turn or immelman. There are a
> few small
> > >> computer programs that will compute your weight and CG for
> > >> different loading situations.
> > >> They
> > >> are fun to play with will clearly demonstrate the limits
> of your RV-8.
> > >> Dan Checkoway has some data on various RV's that show the
> > >> aircraft weights for different engine/prop combinations.
> Check it
> > >> out at http://rvproject.com/wab/. You can click on any of the
> > >> aircraft listed and then input your sample load data to see what
> > >> happens to your gross
> weight
> > >> and CG. Dan's site has a wealth of information and you
> can spend
> > >> hours flipping through it!
> > >> My suggestion: build your aircraft as light as you
> can. All of
> > >> the fancy instruments and bells and whistles are nice,
> but they all
> > >> detract from your performance and useful load. Take a
> look at an
> > >> all-out aerobatic aircraft like an Extra. Most have a basic VFR
> > >> panel with a handheld GPS, no interior paneling, carpeting or
> > >> soundproofing. But if you are building an RV-8, you are not
> > >> interested in unlimited aerobatics so your aircraft will
> have many
> > >> compromises that suit your particular needs. (After
> all, this is
> > >> why
> you
> > >> are building a custom airplane, right?) I enjoy an
> airplane that
> > >> feels like a fighter; is fast enough that cross-country
> travel is a
> > >> pleasure, not
> an
> > >> adventure; is comfortable in formation and turns me upside down
> > >> when I feel like it. The RV-8 fills all of my needs.
> Hope yours
> > >> does the same.
> > >>
> > >> Ron Schreck
> > >> RV-8, Finishing FWF
> > >> Gold Hill, NC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
> > >> To: "RV LIST" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV8 AND MILD AEROBATICS
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <flynlow@usaviator.net>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello;
> > >>>
> > >>> I am beginning construction of an RV8. A friend told me this
> > >>> morning that
> > >> it
> > >>> is not possible to do loops in an RV8 with 2 people on
> board. Is
> > >>> this
> > >> true?
> > >>> I will be flying with an IO 360 A1A. Myself and passenger will
> > >>> each weigh 210-225. Let me know what you all think. Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Bud Silvers
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/18/05 |
05:01:31 PM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
This one's probably been asked and answered a few times, but how much
weight should I have on the tail of my RV-4? I've got a heavy engine/prop
combo and my battery forward. With the aircraft level, I have an empty
tail weight of 39 pounds. In the same condition in a three point stance,
it shows right at 60 pounds. Frankly, the airplane handles well, but that
still seems light to me. What are you other RV-4 guys seeing, please?
Regards,
Lee...
Lee Logan
Director, Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
My RV-8 tailwheel was only 44 pounds when level. Even with the elt in the
tail and AP servo & strobe power supply behind the aft storage. If you are
happy with the handling, I'd leave it alone.
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 68 hrs
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lee.logan@gulfstream.com [mailto:lee.logan@gulfstream.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:01 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 7
> Msgs - 02/18/05
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
>
> This one's probably been asked and answered a few times, but
> how much weight should I have on the tail of my RV-4? I've
> got a heavy engine/prop combo and my battery forward. With
> the aircraft level, I have an empty tail weight of 39 pounds.
> In the same condition in a three point stance, it shows
> right at 60 pounds. Frankly, the airplane handles well, but
> that still seems light to me. What are you other RV-4 guys
> seeing, please?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Lee...
>
> Lee Logan
> Director, Government Programs and Sales Support Gulfstream
> Aerospace Corporation Savannah, Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Saturday Trip to Ky |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "David Davenport" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
As of right now, David D. is in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday Trip to Ky
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> <james@nextupventures.com>
>
> James is IN! (weather permitting)
>
>
> {SNIP}
>
> make
> way
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Saturday Trip to Ky |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Doing an annual, if completed - I plan on attending. Dana wants some rotary
powered aircraft there.
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Davenport" <ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday Trip to Ky
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "David Davenport"
<ddavenport5@nc.rr.com>
>
> As of right now, David D. is in.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Saturday Trip to Ky
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
> > <james@nextupventures.com>
> >
> > James is IN! (weather permitting)
> >
> >
> > {SNIP}
> >
> > |
> > | --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
> > |
> > | Well ... is the wx going to cooperate ??
> > |
> > | Been some talk of those interested in meeting at Statesville, NC to
> > make
> > | the
> > | flight over to I39 together as a loose flight .... this will not be a
> > | formation flight .... there are a few of us that will practice on the
> > way
> > | over but it
> > | won't be a large formation flight ... more a very loose group of
> > | airplanes
> > | going together .... all are welcome and it should be a lot of fun for
> > | SERV to
> > | head over together !!!
> > |
> > | All interested please speak up !!!
> > |
> > | Len
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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