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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (Wayne Williams)
2. 06:41 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (sportav8r@aol.com)
3. 07:35 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (Ed Anderson)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (JohnCClarkVA@cs.com)
5. 08:42 AM - Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (sportav8r@aol.com)
6. 05:34 PM - Re: IFR (Sargentclt@cs.com)
7. 08:29 PM - Re: IFR (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne@gamewood.net>
Stormy:
I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I
would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism.
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sportav8r@aol.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle
this?
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Well, guys, here's the latest and hopefully final installment in the saga.
Emailed our very own RV-list NTSB man for advice; chatted back and forth all
day. Spoke to two men in two Virginia FSDO's. Did lots of Googling.
Decided by the end of the work day that the man likely was a student pilot
with no regard for courtesy, a disregard for the rules, and a taste for
class-action lawsuits. Decided civil trespass was not something I would sit
back and idly abide, so I called the local DA, who never returned my call.
Better luck with the sheriff's dep't, which advised me to have the local
park ranger send the pilot over here for a chat and then tell him to beat
it. But, the sheriff has no jurisdiction in the state park, so 'round we go
trying to find a ranger after hours to relay the message to the guy.
Pilot gets message, sheriff is summoned, as planned, to be there "in case."
Sheriff's backup arrives. Pilot calls from cell phone, "It's raining hard
here." "Here, too, but come over anyway and let's talk this over."
Deputies and I make small talk on the porch watching the rain. No way am I
going to make my fellow aviator fly in this scum, even if he is
treaspassing. Pilot and wife arrive, mount the porch sheepishly as I assure
him I do not intend to charge him with anything. We make some small talk, I
tell pilot he is not welcome to fly friends for rides from here, and that I
might accomodate his plane until the end of the week as he had wished.
"Guess what. The FAA thinks you only have a student pilot cetificate. Two
different FSDO's told me that today." "Well, those things take some time to
be updated." Sheriff asks to see pilot's certificate, but he doesn't have
it on him. "Is it in your plane?" I offer. "No. It's ...someplace else..."
his voice trails off.
"Okay," I announce, "you're leaving here tomorrow at first VFR,
understood?" "Yes, Sir." Cops mosey along to other calls (dinner &
do-nuts).
I tell pilot his 6" plastic tent stakes won't secure his shiny new STOL
plane against any gusts and there are more storms predicted tonight. We
walk to hangar and get my titanium tiedowns to screw into the rock hard
ground. Not much joy, but better than before. Pilot explains that he came
by earlier in the day yesterday to ask my permission but no one was home.
Then decided to come anyway, flew his plane over from Hot Springs, and again
checked the house, which is when he scared my teenage daughter to death. He
had tried to contact me, but not the right way (telephone / never heard of
AirNav). When unsuccesful at getting permission, he came anyway - big
blunder. Then he couldn't show us any airman certificate -strike 3.
I felt bad for him (I hate confrontations), but even worse for his future
pax if his judgement is this clouded. He started out by flying into the
public airport, but then found out how convoluted the road from there to the
park was, and decided basing at my place would cut his drive in half.
"Besides, I like basing the plane at private fields and meeting new
friends..." Nice try. This revelation made me feel a little better about
it than thinking he lit out from Georgia, intending all along to terminate
his flight here, without calling ahead to ask. That notion staggered the
imagination.
I think "Pilot Doe" knows he made an error and got off on a painfully wrong
foot with me, which is actually quite hard to do. Even though he seemed
nice in person, I wasn't going to relent. He was aware from the newspaper
that I had hosted the fly-in this weekend, but I reminded him they were all
invited guests.
I had no idea how much this would disrupt the rhythm of life around here for
a couple of days, and it will be nice to see Mr. Pilot's shiny airplane
depart for wherever tomorrow. He better not take my Ti-downs with him :-)
It's really a shame, since we might have become friends under other
circumstances, but he's going to have to show me that private ticket first.
I'm sure it's somewhere... Then he's got to explain the other stuff I
learned on Google, which I will spare you now...
Man, I hope that plane is gone when I get home tomorrow.
Best to all,
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: How would you/your airpark handle this?
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
<densing@carolina.rr.com>
Stormy,
It is my opinion that your visitor is out of bounds. If the motorcycle rider
found your place with the aid of the pilot, they could have done that before
landing at Hop-A-Long and talked to you first. The pilot is treading on the
goodwill that most aviation people have for other aviators.
We do have an occasional non-resident airplane land and depart at Aero
Plantation without contacting any of us. Almost impossible to stop that.
But, we allow only residents and their guest to tie down within the
airpark...... at the members home or in the common tie down area. There have
been cases when the general membership decided that a "guest" had over
stayed a normal visit. The resident member was then asked to have the
airplane removed. We are asked occasionally by strangers for permission to
use the runway. The answer is always no. We do have the built-in answer that
the airpark belongs to all the members and therefore permission cannot be
granted by an individual. You might use the insurance thing as your reason
to turn down a request.
Dale Ensing
(Board Member Aero Plantation)
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| Subject: | Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
No, of course not; you're a surgeon. No doubt you would have thrown sharp objects
or bloody packing at him and tripped over the anesthesia cart while chasing
him "out of my operating room!!!" <g>
I guess it's my pediatric personality; I'm sitting here beating myself up for not
being willing to give him a third chance...
-Stormy
PS: appreciate your kind words, sir.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Williams <rwayne@gamewood.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this?
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne@gamewood.net>
Stormy:
I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I
would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism.
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Stormy, stop beating yourself up. If he is worth your concern, he will have
understood YOUR concern and learned a lesson - if not, then no point in
spending any more time on it or second guessing yourself. Default to the
position that ensures safety of you and yours and your regrets will be
minimal. We like to give fellow pilots the benefit of a doubt - but
thankfully most of them would never have put you in that position in the
first place.
Ed A
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle
this?
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> No, of course not; you're a surgeon. No doubt you would have thrown sharp
> objects or bloody packing at him and tripped over the anesthesia cart
> while chasing him "out of my operating room!!!" <g>
>
> I guess it's my pediatric personality; I'm sitting here beating myself up
> for not being willing to give him a third chance...
>
> -Stormy
>
> PS: appreciate your kind words, sir.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Williams <rwayne@gamewood.net>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark
> handle this?
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams"
> <rwayne@gamewood.net>
>
> Stormy:
> I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I
> would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: JohnCClarkVA@cs.com
HI Stormy, don't feel bad, I think you handled it just right. Of course, I
kinda liked the idea of owning your new airplane or trucking it out. Now that
would have probably been a little extreme for an intruder who sounds kinda
goofy. He does not need to be there, he does not need to worry you and cutting
the outside traffic when your daughter is home alone is perfectly reasonable.
You really don't know these guys. John.
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| Subject: | Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Roger that, Ed. That's the bigger issue, and why I generally "carry" 24/7 as well...
Thanks for putting that back in focus for me.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Anderson
<snip>
Default to the
position that ensures safety of you and yours and your regrets will be
minimal. <snip>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
Your in luck. Somewhere I have the King Private IFR videos. They are copies
but Martha still looks damn good. If you would like to borrow them I'll dig
them up for you.
By the way what is my user and sign on for SERV?
Tad Sargent
Sargentclt(at)CS.com
RV7A
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
That would be great. Yes, Martha is a hottie!
Roster and picture upload are both
User: serv
Pw: proseal
Thanks,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Sargentclt@cs.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:34 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: IFR
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
>
> Your in luck. Somewhere I have the King Private IFR videos.
> They are copies but Martha still looks damn good. If you
> would like to borrow them I'll dig them up for you.
> By the way what is my user and sign on for SERV?
> Tad Sargent
> Sargentclt(at)CS.com
> RV7A
>
>
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