---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/29/05: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (Wayne Williams) 2. 06:41 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (sportav8r@aol.com) 3. 07:35 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (Ed Anderson) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (JohnCClarkVA@cs.com) 5. 08:42 AM - Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? (sportav8r@aol.com) 6. 05:34 PM - Re: IFR (Sargentclt@cs.com) 7. 08:29 PM - Re: IFR (Larry Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:11 AM PST US From: "Wayne Williams" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" Stormy: I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Well, guys, here's the latest and hopefully final installment in the saga. Emailed our very own RV-list NTSB man for advice; chatted back and forth all day. Spoke to two men in two Virginia FSDO's. Did lots of Googling. Decided by the end of the work day that the man likely was a student pilot with no regard for courtesy, a disregard for the rules, and a taste for class-action lawsuits. Decided civil trespass was not something I would sit back and idly abide, so I called the local DA, who never returned my call. Better luck with the sheriff's dep't, which advised me to have the local park ranger send the pilot over here for a chat and then tell him to beat it. But, the sheriff has no jurisdiction in the state park, so 'round we go trying to find a ranger after hours to relay the message to the guy. Pilot gets message, sheriff is summoned, as planned, to be there "in case." Sheriff's backup arrives. Pilot calls from cell phone, "It's raining hard here." "Here, too, but come over anyway and let's talk this over." Deputies and I make small talk on the porch watching the rain. No way am I going to make my fellow aviator fly in this scum, even if he is treaspassing. Pilot and wife arrive, mount the porch sheepishly as I assure him I do not intend to charge him with anything. We make some small talk, I tell pilot he is not welcome to fly friends for rides from here, and that I might accomodate his plane until the end of the week as he had wished. "Guess what. The FAA thinks you only have a student pilot cetificate. Two different FSDO's told me that today." "Well, those things take some time to be updated." Sheriff asks to see pilot's certificate, but he doesn't have it on him. "Is it in your plane?" I offer. "No. It's ...someplace else..." his voice trails off. "Okay," I announce, "you're leaving here tomorrow at first VFR, understood?" "Yes, Sir." Cops mosey along to other calls (dinner & do-nuts). I tell pilot his 6" plastic tent stakes won't secure his shiny new STOL plane against any gusts and there are more storms predicted tonight. We walk to hangar and get my titanium tiedowns to screw into the rock hard ground. Not much joy, but better than before. Pilot explains that he came by earlier in the day yesterday to ask my permission but no one was home. Then decided to come anyway, flew his plane over from Hot Springs, and again checked the house, which is when he scared my teenage daughter to death. He had tried to contact me, but not the right way (telephone / never heard of AirNav). When unsuccesful at getting permission, he came anyway - big blunder. Then he couldn't show us any airman certificate -strike 3. I felt bad for him (I hate confrontations), but even worse for his future pax if his judgement is this clouded. He started out by flying into the public airport, but then found out how convoluted the road from there to the park was, and decided basing at my place would cut his drive in half. "Besides, I like basing the plane at private fields and meeting new friends..." Nice try. This revelation made me feel a little better about it than thinking he lit out from Georgia, intending all along to terminate his flight here, without calling ahead to ask. That notion staggered the imagination. I think "Pilot Doe" knows he made an error and got off on a painfully wrong foot with me, which is actually quite hard to do. Even though he seemed nice in person, I wasn't going to relent. He was aware from the newspaper that I had hosted the fly-in this weekend, but I reminded him they were all invited guests. I had no idea how much this would disrupt the rhythm of life around here for a couple of days, and it will be nice to see Mr. Pilot's shiny airplane depart for wherever tomorrow. He better not take my Ti-downs with him :-) It's really a shame, since we might have become friends under other circumstances, but he's going to have to show me that private ticket first. I'm sure it's somewhere... Then he's got to explain the other stuff I learned on Google, which I will spare you now... Man, I hope that plane is gone when I get home tomorrow. Best to all, -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Dale Ensing Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Stormy, It is my opinion that your visitor is out of bounds. If the motorcycle rider found your place with the aid of the pilot, they could have done that before landing at Hop-A-Long and talked to you first. The pilot is treading on the goodwill that most aviation people have for other aviators. We do have an occasional non-resident airplane land and depart at Aero Plantation without contacting any of us. Almost impossible to stop that. But, we allow only residents and their guest to tie down within the airpark...... at the members home or in the common tie down area. There have been cases when the general membership decided that a "guest" had over stayed a normal visit. The resident member was then asked to have the airplane removed. We are asked occasionally by strangers for permission to use the runway. The answer is always no. We do have the built-in answer that the airpark belongs to all the members and therefore permission cannot be granted by an individual. You might use the insurance thing as your reason to turn down a request. Dale Ensing (Board Member Aero Plantation) -- -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:50 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com No, of course not; you're a surgeon. No doubt you would have thrown sharp objects or bloody packing at him and tripped over the anesthesia cart while chasing him "out of my operating room!!!" I guess it's my pediatric personality; I'm sitting here beating myself up for not being willing to give him a third chance... -Stormy PS: appreciate your kind words, sir. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Williams Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" Stormy: I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism. Wayne ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:48 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Stormy, stop beating yourself up. If he is worth your concern, he will have understood YOUR concern and learned a lesson - if not, then no point in spending any more time on it or second guessing yourself. Default to the position that ensures safety of you and yours and your regrets will be minimal. We like to give fellow pilots the benefit of a doubt - but thankfully most of them would never have put you in that position in the first place. Ed A Matthews, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > No, of course not; you're a surgeon. No doubt you would have thrown sharp > objects or bloody packing at him and tripped over the anesthesia cart > while chasing him "out of my operating room!!!" > > I guess it's my pediatric personality; I'm sitting here beating myself up > for not being willing to give him a third chance... > > -Stormy > > PS: appreciate your kind words, sir. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Williams > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark > handle this? > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" > > > Stormy: > I'm impressed with your patience, good nature and insight. I don't think I > would, personally, have handled this with that degree of professionalism. > > Wayne > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:49 AM PST US From: JohnCClarkVA@cs.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: JohnCClarkVA@cs.com HI Stormy, don't feel bad, I think you handled it just right. Of course, I kinda liked the idea of owning your new airplane or trucking it out. Now that would have probably been a little extreme for an intruder who sounds kinda goofy. He does not need to be there, he does not need to worry you and cutting the outside traffic when your daughter is home alone is perfectly reasonable. You really don't know these guys. John. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:16 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Conclusion: How would you/your airpark handle this? --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Roger that, Ed. That's the bigger issue, and why I generally "carry" 24/7 as well... Thanks for putting that back in focus for me. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson Default to the position that ensures safety of you and yours and your regrets will be minimal. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:13 PM PST US From: Sargentclt@cs.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: IFR --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com Your in luck. Somewhere I have the King Private IFR videos. They are copies but Martha still looks damn good. If you would like to borrow them I'll dig them up for you. By the way what is my user and sign on for SERV? Tad Sargent Sargentclt(at)CS.com RV7A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:31 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: IFR --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" That would be great. Yes, Martha is a hottie! Roster and picture upload are both User: serv Pw: proseal Thanks, - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Sargentclt@cs.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:34 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: IFR > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com > > Your in luck. Somewhere I have the King Private IFR videos. > They are copies but Martha still looks damn good. 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