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1. 05:10 AM - Re: One Six Right :: Aerials (Lance Arbuckle)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Ouch (Lenleg@aol.com)
3. 05:16 AM - Lauringburg/Maxton Fly In Saturday (Lenleg@aol.com)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Ouch (sportav8r@aol.com)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Ouch (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Ouch (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Ouch (paulf@ncsu.edu)
8. 07:17 AM - Re: Ouch (Larry Bowen)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: Ouch (Larry Bowen)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: Ouch (Larry Bowen)
11. 08:04 AM - Re: Ouch (Ed Anderson)
12. 11:22 AM - Re: Ouch (sportav8r@aol.com)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: Ouch (sportav8r@aol.com)
14. 12:10 PM - Re: Ouch (Oliver Washburn)
15. 12:26 PM - Re: Ouch (Dana Breda)
16. 12:26 PM - Re: Ouch (Dana Breda)
17. 12:40 PM - Re: Ouch (sportav8r@aol.com)
18. 12:48 PM - Re: Ouch (Demeylor@aol.com)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: Ouch (Larry Bowen)
20. 05:22 PM - Re: Ouch (Marcus Cooper)
21. 05:25 PM - Re: Ouch (Marcus Cooper)
22. 08:11 PM - Re: Ouch (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: One Six Right :: Aerials |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lance Arbuckle <serv@arbuckle.org>
Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Wow. Check out the video below.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
Hi guys,
I had the pleasure of attending the screening of One Six Right last Sat
in LA. The aviation stories told in the film and the aerials were
great. Please, everyone sign up on the 16R website for a DVD and help
support the film.
Lance Arbuckle
W-S, NC
http://www.onesixright.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dilbert@bowenaero.com writes:
The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
cause!
Any advice is appreciated...
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8
Mine is up for quote right now .... maybe we should talk to the local guy in
Greensboro ... member of Chapter 8 .... located on Regional Road ... as you
can see I can't remember the name of the company ??
Len
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| Subject: | Lauringburg/Maxton Fly In Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
Guys:
John Miller from Raeford informed me that there is a fly in at
Lauringburg/Maxton airport on Saturday if anyone is looking for somewhere to fly
to !!
Len
For details you can reach John at: _Jmillbyz@aol.com_
(mailto:Jmillbyz@aol.com) or (910) 977-3870
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
That's got to be for full hull coverage.
I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only. There
are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs to collect
for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger check from
my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately likely.
If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own aircraft
insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
cause!
Any advice is appreciated...
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Good luck guys. Ours renewed in April on our RV7 & went up from $1801 to
$2175. I have 1 partner who is the low timer with over 4000 total, Comm, Inst,
ME and jet rated. We both do annual recurrency in sims and have several
hundred hours tail wheel. Ins. is getting totally ridicules. I am considering
carrying liability only. Please share any tips with all of us.
Regards,
Doug Preston,
RV7 N731RV
BHM
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>likely.
>
>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>
>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>cause!
>
>Any advice is appreciated...
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: paulf@ncsu.edu
I have been happy with Skysmith. About $1400 for my RV-4. I renewed in
January.
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
>
> Good luck guys. Ours renewed in April on our RV7 & went up from $1801 to
> $2175. I have 1 partner who is the low timer with over 4000 total, Comm,
> Inst,
> ME and jet rated. We both do annual recurrency in sims and have several
> hundred hours tail wheel. Ins. is getting totally ridicules. I am
> considering
> carrying liability only. Please share any tips with all of us.
> Regards,
> Doug Preston,
> RV7 N731RV
> BHM
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, that's for $75K hull. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong.
We had considered doing one of the ground/liability coverages only, but my
finance officer doesn't like that. "We have full coverage on the cars
that are worth a fraction what the plane is!"
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
> I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
> liability-only. There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if
> my family needs to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be
> getting a far bigger check from my life insurance company. Not
> necessarily, but moderately likely.
>
> If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
> aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I think you are thinking of AIG -- the lower of the two quotes I've
already received.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Lenleg@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2005 11:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Dilbert@bowenaero.com writes:
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received
> quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with
> $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
>
>
> Mine is up for quote right now .... maybe we should talk to the local guy
> in
> Greensboro ... member of Chapter 8 .... located on Regional Road ... as
> you
> can see I can't remember the name of the company ??
>
> Len
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
My understanding of the "liability only" option:
Referred to by those in the biz as GIM (ground, in motion) or GNIM
(ground, not in motion). Same liability, hull and medical coverages as
full coverage until you take the active runway (GIM) or begin moving under
the plane's power (GNIM), at that point hull coverage stops.
A tempting way to save! But when that ground loop/bird strike/oil
leak/bad gas/interstate landing happens, that $xxxx/yr saved is going to
seem like chicken feed!
I can see arguments both ways. Thus the dilemma....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
>
> Good luck guys. Ours renewed in April on our RV7 & went up from $1801 to
> $2175. I have 1 partner who is the low timer with over 4000 total, Comm,
> Inst,
> ME and jet rated. We both do annual recurrency in sims and have several
> hundred hours tail wheel. Ins. is getting totally ridicules. I am
> considering
> carrying liability only. Please share any tips with all of us.
> Regards,
> Doug Preston,
> RV7 N731RV
> BHM
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I dropped AMVECO after 6 years when the premiums went over $2600 with 250+
hours on airframe and me going over 500+ hours. Went with SkySmith $1M/60K
and even though I fly with a Rotary Engine my cost for the same coverage as
with AMVECO went down over $1000. So not unreasonable for keeping hull
especially with my powerplant. He in turn, had it underwritten by AIG.
Yes, I made a full disclosure about the power plant.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: <paulf@ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: paulf@ncsu.edu
>
> I have been happy with Skysmith. About $1400 for my RV-4. I renewed in
> January.
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
>>
>> Good luck guys. Ours renewed in April on our RV7 & went up from $1801 to
>> $2175. I have 1 partner who is the low timer with over 4000 total, Comm,
>> Inst,
>> ME and jet rated. We both do annual recurrency in sims and have several
>> hundred hours tail wheel. Ins. is getting totally ridicules. I am
>> considering
>> carrying liability only. Please share any tips with all of us.
>> Regards,
>> Doug Preston,
>> RV7 N731RV
>> BHM
>>
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
True, but you're about fifty times more likely to be hit by the other guy in the
car than in a plane.
Forgot about the ground-loop thing. Unless you're going to confine your flying
to days when the wind is straight down the runway, better keep that hull coverage,
li'l tail-dragger ;-)
See ya in Ocracoke? Man, I miss everybody. SERV is deadsville this past month.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Yes, that's for $75K hull. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong.
We had considered doing one of the ground/liability coverages only, but my
finance officer doesn't like that. "We have full coverage on the cars
that are worth a fraction what the plane is!"
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
sportav8r@aol.com said:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
> I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
> liability-only. There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if
> my family needs to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be
> getting a far bigger check from my life insurance company. Not
> necessarily, but moderately likely.
>
> If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
> aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>
> The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
> for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
> NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
> or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
> surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
> total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
> day
> ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
> cause!
>
> Any advice is appreciated...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I know,
but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage is
just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
Ron Awad
>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>
>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>likely.
>
>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>
>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>cause!
>
>Any advice is appreciated...
>
>-
>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Stormy, what state are you in that requires you to have insurance on an
aircraft ?
Ollie Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you
> buy the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it.
> Then they'll sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out,
> so you can start rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical
> and overstated, I know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know
> that having the coverage is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes
> in an accident.
>
> I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
> save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
> loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What
> if
> the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but
> the
> plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane
> that
> alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
> investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
>>liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
>>day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Dana Breda <dbreda@earthlink.net>
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I
know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage
is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Dana Breda <dbreda@earthlink.net>
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you buy
the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then they'll
sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you can start
rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and overstated, I
know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that having the coverage
is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare, liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Virginia
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver Washburn <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a@earthlink.net>
Stormy, what state are you in that requires you to have insurance on an
aircraft ?
Ollie Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you
> buy the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it.
> Then they'll sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out,
> so you can start rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical
> and overstated, I know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know
> that having the coverage is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes
> in an accident.
>
> I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
> save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
> loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What
> if
> the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but
> the
> plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane
> that
> alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
> investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
>>liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
>>day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Demeylor@aol.com
I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference between quotes. The
local group AUA was able to write a police no one else would write at half the
price. Dean
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I've asked them for a quote. Thx.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Demeylor@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:49 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Demeylor@aol.com
>
> I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference
> between quotes. The local group AUA was able to write a
> police no one else would write at half the price. Dean
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
I had liability only on my Q-2 and Skybolt as I figured I didn't have all
that much in the airplane and, although morbid, thought anything that would
have devastated those airplanes would leave me without a need for an
airplane. My RV-6, however I went for full coverage and will never regret
it. I had an engine come apart and the forced landing in a rough area
damaged the airplane (but not us fortunately). I had no problem with the
insurance folks at all and got the full insured amount quickly. I did not
pursue buying the airplane back other than asked to be notified when it
became available but I never heard anything.
Short answer, with as much as most of us have invested I think the hull
insurance is worth it. However, shopping around is worth every minute spent
as well.
Marcus
RV-10 fuselage in progress
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Breda
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch 0.86 HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20 BODY: Message
is 10% to 20% HTML obfuscation 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee
fraud (Nigerian 419)
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Dana Breda <dbreda@earthlink.net>
Ok, here's my $.02... I just renewed a couple days ago with AUA in
GSO... the policy is with AIG and is liability only (it's still too
much!). I've been flying my RV-6 for 13 years now and have never had
hull insurance, so I figure I'm ahead. It's a gamble...
Dana Breda
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>It's not like they just hand you the money in event of a claim. After you
buy the coverage, if you ever need it, you will have to fight for it. Then
they'll sell the wreckage to you for a large % of when they paid out, so you
can start rebuilding or at least get your avionics back. Cynical and
overstated, I know, but we've all heard the stories enough to know that
having the coverage is just the beginning, not the end, of your woes in an
accident.
>
>I'd drop the liability coverage, too, if the state would let me.
>
>-Stormy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
<sawad13@msn.com>
>
>No way I could feel good about risking the amount invested in my plane to
>save a few bucks a year in hull insurance. What do you do if you ground
>loop it? Or it is damaged on the ramp and no one is there to blame? What if
>the engine quits and you have to land it in some trees, you survive but the
>plane is badly damaged? I got probably half the investment in my plane that
>alot of you guys have in yours, and no way I could just loose that
>investment. The hull coverage is well worth it to me.
>
>
>Ron Awad
>
>
>
>
>>From: sportav8r@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:47:15 -0400
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>That's got to be for full hull coverage.
>>
>>I'm saving about 2k a year compared to that for going bare,
liability-only.
>> There are arguments both ways, good ones at that, but if my family needs
>>to collect for a totalled hull, they're likely to be getting a far bigger
>>check from my life insurance company. Not necessarily, but moderately
>>likely.
>>
>>If only I were disciplined enough to save the difference and have my own
>>aircraft insurance reserve building up in a savings account...
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dilbert <Dilbert@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>>
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dilbert" <Dilbert@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>The insurance thing keeps getting uglier and uglier. I've received quotes
>>for renewal recently. Since Phoenix is no longer partnered with Van's,
>>NationAir went to AIG and EAA for underwriting. They came back with $2283
>>or $2600 for 1M/100/3 coverage. Up $300 since last year. This is despite
>>surpassing supposed milestones with 120 hours on the plane and 400 hours
>>total time and 150 tailwheel. Uhg! When is it going to stop?! If the
day
>>ever comes when I hang up my wings, insane ins costs will likely be the
>>cause!
>>
>>Any advice is appreciated...
>>
>>-
>>Larry Bowen, RV-8
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
I'm feeling ignorant, but what is a local AUA?
Marcus
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Demeylor@aol.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Demeylor@aol.com
I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference between quotes. The
local group AUA was able to write a police no one else would write at half
the
price. Dean
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
http://www.auaonline.com/
Local to those near Greensboro, NC.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:25 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
> --> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I'm feeling ignorant, but what is a local AUA?
>
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Demeylor@aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Ouch
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Demeylor@aol.com
>
> I recently Insured my RV-8. I found A 100% difference
> between quotes. The local group AUA was able to write a
> police no one else would write at half the price. Dean
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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