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     2. 03:49 PM - Re:  (Ed Anderson)
     3. 04:24 PM - Fw: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight (Lenleg@aol.com)
     4. 04:25 PM - Re:  (sportav8r@aol.com)
     5. 04:28 PM - Stormy (Lenleg@aol.com)
     6. 04:36 PM - Re: Fw: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight (sportav8r@AOL.COM)
     7. 04:37 PM - Re: Stormy (sportav8r@AOL.COM)
     8. 07:31 PM - Re:  (Ed Anderson)
 
 
 
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      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      
      Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake fluid in
      quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
      
      I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to share
      :-)
      
      MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782
      
      -Stormy
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: thEast-List: | 
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      
      Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as 
      there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). If 
      we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring 
      your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that 
      goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up.
      
      Ed
      
      Ed Anderson
      Matthews, NC
      
      .
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
      Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
      
      
      > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      >
      > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake 
      > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
      >
      > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to 
      > share :-)
      >
      > MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782
      >
      > -Stormy
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight | 
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
      
      
      In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
      mstewart@iss.net writes:
      
      Some of  you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
      of prop  testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
      information out of  Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
      is revolutionary for  an RV owner. 
      
      There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross  weight on the RV-3
      ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I  spoke with Van
      himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed  with his
      staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross  weight for
      the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on  this).
      This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is  what
      was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be  included
      in the Aerobatic gross. 
      
      Interestingly, he confirmed that  this method applies to any RV model. As
      an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted  Van's W&B instructions to mean that
      fuel WAS included in Aerobatic  Category gross weight calculations as
      well as Utility/Normal Category gross  weight operation. In fact that is
      erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in  wing tanks it may be excluded
      from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of  course Van's points out
      that weight has other deleterious effects on  aerobatic handling and
      encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading  their aircraft for
      aerobatics.
      
      
      Taken from  here:
      
      http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
      
      
      Frankly  I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
      or shoot  Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
      of fun has  been left on the table over the years.  
      
      
      Best,
      
      Kahuna
      
      
        by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000
        by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000
      From: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
      List-Id: <teamrv.yahoogroups.com>
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      Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
      
      Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
      of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
      information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
      is revolutionary for an RV owner. 
      
      There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
      ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
      himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
      staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
      the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
      This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
      was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
      in the Aerobatic gross. 
      
      Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
      an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
      fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
      well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
      erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
      from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
      that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
      encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
      aerobatics.
      
      
      Taken from here:
      
      http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
      
      
      Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
      or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
      of fun has been left on the table over the years. 
      
      
      Best,
      
      Kahuna
      
      
      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      
      
      Click Here!
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: thEast-List: | 
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      
      thanks, Ed.  will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot pay some attention
      to my brakes soon - time for replacement pads after 540 hours.
      
      - 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
      
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      
      Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as 
      there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). If 
      we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring 
      your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that 
      goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up.
      
      Ed
      
      Ed Anderson
      Matthews, NC
      
      .
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
      Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
      
      
      > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      >
      > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake 
      > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
      >
      > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to 
      > share :-)
      >
      > MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782
      >
      > -Stormy
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
      
      Missed you today buddy ... we went down to Columbia for formation practice  
      with the Palmetto guys ... Larry, Bill, me, Ken, James.
      
      Lots of a/c fun and good bbq !!!
      
      Len
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight | 
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      
      please read the ENTIRE thread in the archives before running off and doing acro
      at an extra 250 lbs wt.  Kahuna seems to be ready to run off half-cocked here
      and others are urging caution, which seems wise to me.  
      
      No old, bold pilots, right?
      
      -Stormy 
      
      If Van didn't put it in writing, it's urban legend until proven otherwise, and
      you're the test pilot.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Lenleg@aol.com
      Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
      
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
      
      
      In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
      mstewart@iss.net writes:
      
      Some of  you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
      of prop  testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
      information out of  Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
      is revolutionary for  an RV owner. 
      
      There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross  weight on the RV-3
      ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I  spoke with Van
      himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed  with his
      staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross  weight for
      the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on  this).
      This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is  what
      was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be  included
      in the Aerobatic gross. 
      
      Interestingly, he confirmed that  this method applies to any RV model. As
      an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted  Van's W&B instructions to mean that
      fuel WAS included in Aerobatic  Category gross weight calculations as
      well as Utility/Normal Category gross  weight operation. In fact that is
      erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in  wing tanks it may be excluded
      from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of  course Van's points out
      that weight has other deleterious effects on  aerobatic handling and
      encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading  their aircraft for
      aerobatics.
      
      
      Taken from  here:
      
      http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
      
      
      Frankly  I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
      or shoot  Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
      of fun has  been left on the table over the years.  
      
      
      Best,
      
      Kahuna
      
      
        by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000
        by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000
      From: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
      List-Id: <teamrv.yahoogroups.com>
      List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:teamrv-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
      
      Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
      of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
      information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
      is revolutionary for an RV owner. 
      
      There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
      ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
      himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
      staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
      the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
      This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
      was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
      in the Aerobatic gross. 
      
      Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
      an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
      fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
      well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
      erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
      from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
      that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
      encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
      aerobatics.
      
      
      Taken from here:
      
      http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
      
      
      Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
      or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
      of fun has been left on the table over the years. 
      
      
      Best,
      
      Kahuna
      
      
      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      
      
      Click Here!
      
      
      <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teamrv/
      
      <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
          teamrv-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
      
          http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      
      runway didn't un-crust until late this afternoon... we got about 1.5" of sleet
      the other day.
      
      -Stormy 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Lenleg@aol.com
      Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy
      
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
      
      Missed you today buddy ... we went down to Columbia for formation practice  
      with the Palmetto guys ... Larry, Bill, me, Ken, James.
      
      Lots of a/c fun and good bbq !!!
      
      Len
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: thEast-List: | 
      
      --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      
      Ok, Stormy.
      
      I can meet you out there just about anytime with a couple of hours notice.
      
      Ed
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
      Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
      
      
      > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      >
      > thanks, Ed.  will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot pay some 
      > attention to my brakes soon - time for replacement pads after 540 hours.
      >
      > -
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
      >
      >
      > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" 
      > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      >
      > Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as
      > there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). 
      > If
      > we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring
      > your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as 
      > that
      > goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up.
      >
      > Ed
      >
      > Ed Anderson
      > Matthews, NC
      >
      > .
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
      > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
      > Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
      >
      >
      >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
      >>
      >> Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake
      >> fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
      >>
      >> I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to
      >> share :-)
      >>
      >> MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782
      >>
      >> -Stormy
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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