---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/17/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 PM - (sportav8r@aol.com) 2. 03:49 PM - Re: (Ed Anderson) 3. 04:24 PM - Fw: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight (Lenleg@aol.com) 4. 04:25 PM - Re: (sportav8r@aol.com) 5. 04:28 PM - Stormy (Lenleg@aol.com) 6. 04:36 PM - Re: Fw: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight (sportav8r@AOL.COM) 7. 04:37 PM - Re: Stormy (sportav8r@AOL.COM) 8. 07:31 PM - Re: (Ed Anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:32 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us? I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to share :-) MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782 -Stormy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:58 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). If we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up. Ed Ed Anderson Matthews, NC .. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RVSouthEast-List: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us? > > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to > share :-) > > MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782 > > -Stormy > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:22 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mstewart@iss.net writes: Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This is revolutionary for an RV owner. There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3 ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this). This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included in the Aerobatic gross. Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for aerobatics. Taken from here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595 Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane, or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot of fun has been left on the table over the years. Best, Kahuna by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000 by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000 From: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This is revolutionary for an RV owner. There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3 ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this). This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included in the Aerobatic gross. Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for aerobatics. Taken from here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595 Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane, or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot of fun has been left on the table over the years. Best, Kahuna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Click Here! <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teamrv/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: teamrv-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:24 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com thanks, Ed. will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot pay some attention to my brakes soon - time for replacement pads after 540 hours. - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). If we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up. Ed Ed Anderson Matthews, NC .. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RVSouthEast-List: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us? > > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to > share :-) > > MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782 > > -Stormy > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:40 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Missed you today buddy ... we went down to Columbia for formation practice with the Palmetto guys ... Larry, Bill, me, Ken, James. Lots of a/c fun and good bbq !!! Len ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:03 PM PST US From: sportav8r@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com please read the ENTIRE thread in the archives before running off and doing acro at an extra 250 lbs wt. Kahuna seems to be ready to run off half-cocked here and others are urging caution, which seems wise to me. No old, bold pilots, right? -Stormy If Van didn't put it in writing, it's urban legend until proven otherwise, and you're the test pilot. -----Original Message----- From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mstewart@iss.net writes: Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This is revolutionary for an RV owner. There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3 ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this). This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included in the Aerobatic gross. Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for aerobatics. Taken from here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595 Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane, or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot of fun has been left on the table over the years. Best, Kahuna by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000 by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2005 12:43:24 -0000 From: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This is revolutionary for an RV owner. There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3 ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this). This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included in the Aerobatic gross. Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for aerobatics. Taken from here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595 Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane, or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot of fun has been left on the table over the years. Best, Kahuna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Click Here! <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teamrv/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: teamrv-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:23 PM PST US From: sportav8r@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com runway didn't un-crust until late this afternoon... we got about 1.5" of sleet the other day. -Stormy -----Original Message----- From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com Missed you today buddy ... we went down to Columbia for formation practice with the Palmetto guys ... Larry, Bill, me, Ken, James. Lots of a/c fun and good bbq !!! Len ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:42 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Ok, Stormy. I can meet you out there just about anytime with a couple of hours notice. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com > > thanks, Ed. will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot pay some > attention to my brakes soon - time for replacement pads after 540 hours. > > - > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Anderson > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" > > > Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to share it as > there is more there than I would probably use in a flying life time {:>). > If > we can arrange to meet at Goose Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring > your own container) sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as > that > goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up. > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > Matthews, NC > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: > > >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com >> >> Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new hi-temp brake >> fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us? >> >> I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can be the one to >> share :-) >> >> MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782 >> >> -Stormy >> >> >> > > >