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1. 06:53 AM - Formation Practice Last Saturday (Lenleg@AOL.COM)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday (James Clark)
3. 11:17 AM - Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
4. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Brake Fluid (ben burril)
5. 06:22 PM - Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday (Larry Bowen)
6. 06:39 PM - Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday (bill crothers)
7. 06:44 PM - Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday (bill crothers)
8. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Brake Fluid (Ed Anderson)
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| Subject: | Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
SERV:
We had another great practice day with James & Ken playing host down in
Columbia. If you have not made that trip ... come with us next time .... the
BBQ
down there is fabulous ... and lots to choose from ..... only place I know
that has better is Texas !!! (joke !!)
Bill Crothers in AA, Len in LL, Larry in WN went down ....
High overcast day and very smooth flying above 2000' ... great practice with
Larry Bowen in Whiskey November flying the number 4 spot with a very small
passenger in the back ... do wish I had a camera when they first loaded up ...
James flew back seat with Larry to help talk him through some of the flight
... when Larry got in and closed the canopy ... the only thing we could see in
the back seat was James' eyes .... booster seat please !!!
Ken led us through a great practice ... Larry flew very well. Debrief and
lunch at "The Pig" ... you just have to try it ... they offer 6 or 7 different
types of bbq and then top it off with a small pig to pick from ... all you
can eat !!!
Larry had to depart early ... so James saddled up Pappa Juliet ... as soon
as we started taxiing ... the rain came ... more rain on climb out and the wood
props had to head for shelter ... Bill and I continued with the flight
back to NC with Ken running advance protection for a few miles ... all in all
another great day in the RV ...
These flights come up pretty quick ... not a lot of advance planning ... any
and all are welcome to come make the flight .. you don't have to fly
formation ... that is something a few of us have fallen in love with .... just
the
fun of a gaggle of RVs heading somewhere for lunch is great ... we always have
open back seats for the formation part if interested.
Until next time ....
3's out !!!
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
Len is "spot on" with the commentary here.
You don't have to fly formation to join in on the fun.
Talk about running for cover just in time. As I pulled up to the hangar, it
started raining even more and I was able to get the plane in the hangar just
in time to not get everything wet. The one downside of the tip-up is if you
get caught out in the rain with the plane on the ground, stuff inside has a
HIGH chance of getting wet. I am still working on sealing the seam where the
tip up opens.
And the wood prop (smooth, light, no RPM restrictions, BUT ...) ... anybody
got a good deal on metal Sensenich 80"? :-)
I think I said it somewhere before but Larry's 8 is *smooth*! I was waiting
to hear the noise once when I said "more power!", "throttle up!" and he
replied "I am!". And speaking of Larry, I can already see lots of
improvement from earlier flights. He is approaching this stuff the right way
.. with plenty of caution and safety kept in mind ... but steadily improving
on the basics.
Hey Mark ("Possum Works"), come join us one of the good weather planned
Saturday outings. I am sure you will enjoy it. Besides there are a few more
"tricks" I need to borrow from your plane! :-)
The short notice get togethers can be augmented with some "planned way in
advance" get togethers. We have talked about meeting at KLKR on at least one
Saturday of the month. It's a great little place to gather and the Mrs. that
is a co-owner there often whips up some vittles for those who stop by. This
is the place that had the grill packed with London Broil on one of our
visits there.
Again, good time had by all.
James
... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all who may read this.
On 12/19/05, Lenleg@aol.com <Lenleg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> SERV:
>
> We had another great practice day with James & Ken playing host down in
> Columbia. If you have not made that trip ... come with us next time
> .... the BBQ
> down there is fabulous ... and lots to choose from ..... only place
> I know
> that has better is Texas !!! (joke !!)
>
> Bill Crothers in AA, Len in LL, Larry in WN went down ....
>
> High overcast day and very smooth flying above 2000' ... great
> practice with
> Larry Bowen in Whiskey November flying the number 4 spot with a very small
> passenger in the back ... do wish I had a camera when they first loaded up
> ...
> James flew back seat with Larry to help talk him through some of the
> flight
> ... when Larry got in and closed the canopy ... the only thing we could
> see in
> the back seat was James' eyes .... booster seat please !!!
>
> Ken led us through a great practice ... Larry flew very
> well. Debrief and
> lunch at "The Pig" ... you just have to try it ... they offer 6 or
> 7 different
> types of bbq and then top it off with a small pig to pick from ...
> all you
> can eat !!!
>
> Larry had to depart early ... so James saddled up Pappa Juliet ... as soon
> as we started taxiing ... the rain came ... more rain on climb out and the
> wood
> props had to head for shelter ... Bill and I continued with the flight
> back to NC with Ken running advance protection for a few miles ... all in
> all
> another great day in the RV ...
>
> These flights come up pretty quick ... not a lot of advance planning
> ... any
> and all are welcome to come make the flight .. you don't have to fly
> formation ... that is something a few of us have fallen in love with ....
> just the
> fun of a gaggle of RVs heading somewhere for lunch is great ... we
> always have
> open back seats for the formation part if interested.
>
> Until next time ....
>
> 3's out !!!
>
> Len
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 12/19/05 9:42:23 AM Central Standard Time,
jclarkmail@gmail.com writes:
> Hey Mark ("Possum Works"), come join us one of the good weather planned
> Saturday outings. I am sure you will enjoy it. Besides there are a few more
> "tricks" I need to borrow from your plane! :-)
>>>
Love to- I'll keep my eye to the list for next time y'all are over on the
left side of the state!
Thanks-
Mark N51PW
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Brake Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "ben burril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
Ed, you say use the fluid designed for the task.I was wondering why you did
not use the engine DESIGNED for the task.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Brake Fluid
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
<eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Good question, Larry.
>
> I guess there are several reasons for my decision (with some supporting
comments - but not proof - in italics)
>
> 1. Not certain how insurance company would handle any possible claim
resulting from a brake failure if you were not using an hydraulic fluid
approved for "Aircraft" brakes.
>
> 2. There is still some questions about the suitability of some of the
other fluids as candidates. For instance I have read (don't know if its a
fact or not) that DOT 5 can absorb moisture over time which can cause
corrosion of aluminum brake parts (automobiles use steel parts).
>
> I would be careful with ATF. The high detergent level may or may not be
compatible with seals. Why not use a fluid DESIGNED for the task.
>
> 3. Cold weather may affect the operation of the ATV
> I tried using ATF, as I'd also read good reports on it, however recently I
> had to fill the system after changing the tires & brakes and found that it
> was impossible to fill the system at -15C, so with great difficulty I
purged
> and flushed the ATF out of the system and am now using DOT5. ATF may be
> suitable for use in warmer climates, but didn't cut it up here in the
frozen
> north.
>
>
> Now I am unlikely (I hope) to ever be operating where the temps are -
15C!!!, but thought it was interesting.
>
>
> But, the biggest reason is I did not want to make it easy for an insurance
company to invalidate any claim that might arise.
>
> Ed A
>
> >
>
>
> > Why did you decide against the more readily available Mobil1 synthetic
ATF
> > option that others are using? Just curious....
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sportav8r@aol.com [mailto:sportav8r@aol.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:25 PM
> >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
> >>
> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
> >>
> >> thanks, Ed. will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot
> >> pay some attention to my brakes soon - time for replacement
> >> pads after 540 hours.
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
> >>
> >>
> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> >> --> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >>
> >> Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to
> >> share it as there is more there than I would probably use in
> >> a flying life time {:>). If we can arrange to meet at Goose
> >> Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring your own container)
> >> sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that
> >> goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Ed Anderson
> >> Matthews, NC
> >>
> >> .
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
> >> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
> >> >
> >> > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new
> >> hi-temp brake
> >> > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
> >> >
> >> > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can
> >> be the one to
> >> > share :-)
> >> >
> >> > MIL-PRF-83282; Royco 782
> >> >
> >> > -Stormy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Luckily I had the camera! Click below...
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lenleg@aol.com [mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:53 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Formation Practice Last Saturday
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
>
> SERV:
>
> We had another great practice day with James & Ken playing
> host down in Columbia. If you have not made that trip ...
> come with us next time .... the BBQ down there is fabulous
> ... and lots to choose from ..... only place I know that has
> better is Texas !!! (joke !!)
>
> Bill Crothers in AA, Len in LL, Larry in WN went down ....
>
> High overcast day and very smooth flying above 2000' ...
> great practice with Larry Bowen in Whiskey November flying
> the number 4 spot with a very small passenger in the back ...
> do wish I had a camera when they first loaded up ...
> James flew back seat with Larry to help talk him through some
> of the flight ... when Larry got in and closed the canopy ...
> the only thing we could see in the back seat was James' eyes
> .... booster seat please !!!
>
> Ken led us through a great practice ... Larry flew very well.
> Debrief and lunch at "The Pig" ... you just have to try it
> ... they offer 6 or 7 different types of bbq and then top it
> off with a small pig to pick from ... all you can eat !!!
>
> Larry had to depart early ... so James saddled up Pappa
> Juliet ... as soon as we started taxiing ... the rain came
> ... more rain on climb out and the wood props had to head
> for shelter ... Bill and I continued with the flight back to
> NC with Ken running advance protection for a few miles ...
> all in all another great day in the RV ...
>
> These flights come up pretty quick ... not a lot of advance
> planning ... any and all are welcome to come make the flight
> .. you don't have to fly formation ... that is something a
> few of us have fallen in love with .... just the fun of a
> gaggle of RVs heading somewhere for lunch is great ... we
> always have open back seats for the formation part if interested.
>
> Until next time ....
>
> 3's out !!!
>
> Len
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
click where?
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry
> Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Luckily I had the camera! Click below...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg@aol.com [mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:53 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Formation Practice Last
> Saturday
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > SERV:
> >
> > We had another great practice day with James & Ken
> playing
> > host down in Columbia. If you have not made that
> trip ...
> > come with us next time .... the BBQ down there is
> fabulous
> > ... and lots to choose from ..... only place I
> know that has
> > better is Texas !!! (joke !!)
> >
> > Bill Crothers in AA, Len in LL, Larry in WN went
> down ....
> >
> > High overcast day and very smooth flying above
> 2000' ...
> > great practice with Larry Bowen in Whiskey
> November flying
> > the number 4 spot with a very small passenger in
> the back ...
> > do wish I had a camera when they first loaded up
> ...
> > James flew back seat with Larry to help talk him
> through some
> > of the flight ... when Larry got in and closed the
> canopy ...
> > the only thing we could see in the back seat was
> James' eyes
> > .... booster seat please !!!
> >
> > Ken led us through a great practice ... Larry flew
> very well.
> > Debrief and lunch at "The Pig" ... you just have
> to try it
> > ... they offer 6 or 7 different types of bbq and
> then top it
> > off with a small pig to pick from ... all you can
> eat !!!
> >
> > Larry had to depart early ... so James saddled up
> Pappa
> > Juliet ... as soon as we started taxiing ... the
> rain came
> > ... more rain on climb out and the wood props had
> to head
> > for shelter ... Bill and I continued with the
> flight back to
> > NC with Ken running advance protection for a few
> miles ...
> > all in all another great day in the RV ...
> >
> > These flights come up pretty quick ... not a lot
> of advance
> > planning ... any and all are welcome to come make
> the flight
> > .. you don't have to fly formation ... that is
> something a
> > few of us have fallen in love with .... just the
> fun of a
> > gaggle of RVs heading somewhere for lunch is great
> ... we
> > always have open back seats for the formation
> part if interested.
> >
> > Until next time ....
> >
> > 3's out !!!
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Formation Practice Last Saturday |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
never mind...i found it...do not archive..
--- Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry
> Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Luckily I had the camera! Click below...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lenleg@aol.com [mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:53 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Formation Practice Last
> Saturday
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> Lenleg@aol.com
> >
> > SERV:
> >
> > We had another great practice day with James & Ken
> playing
> > host down in Columbia. If you have not made that
> trip ...
> > come with us next time .... the BBQ down there is
> fabulous
> > ... and lots to choose from ..... only place I
> know that has
> > better is Texas !!! (joke !!)
> >
> > Bill Crothers in AA, Len in LL, Larry in WN went
> down ....
> >
> > High overcast day and very smooth flying above
> 2000' ...
> > great practice with Larry Bowen in Whiskey
> November flying
> > the number 4 spot with a very small passenger in
> the back ...
> > do wish I had a camera when they first loaded up
> ...
> > James flew back seat with Larry to help talk him
> through some
> > of the flight ... when Larry got in and closed the
> canopy ...
> > the only thing we could see in the back seat was
> James' eyes
> > .... booster seat please !!!
> >
> > Ken led us through a great practice ... Larry flew
> very well.
> > Debrief and lunch at "The Pig" ... you just have
> to try it
> > ... they offer 6 or 7 different types of bbq and
> then top it
> > off with a small pig to pick from ... all you can
> eat !!!
> >
> > Larry had to depart early ... so James saddled up
> Pappa
> > Juliet ... as soon as we started taxiing ... the
> rain came
> > ... more rain on climb out and the wood props had
> to head
> > for shelter ... Bill and I continued with the
> flight back to
> > NC with Ken running advance protection for a few
> miles ...
> > all in all another great day in the RV ...
> >
> > These flights come up pretty quick ... not a lot
> of advance
> > planning ... any and all are welcome to come make
> the flight
> > .. you don't have to fly formation ... that is
> something a
> > few of us have fallen in love with .... just the
> fun of a
> > gaggle of RVs heading somewhere for lunch is great
> ... we
> > always have open back seats for the formation
> part if interested.
> >
> > Until next time ....
> >
> > 3's out !!!
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Brake Fluid |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Well, one reason, Ben, is my engine has never caught fire {:>) The second
(actually the first reason) was I prefer the reliability and robustness of
the rotary. The third reason was fewer $$. and the fourth (but certainly not
last) reason was - I really do like to experiment - but, not with brake
fluid {:>).
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "ben burril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Brake Fluid
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "ben burril"
> <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Ed, you say use the fluid designed for the task.I was wondering why you
> did
> not use the engine DESIGNED for the task.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Brake Fluid
>
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Good question, Larry.
>>
>> I guess there are several reasons for my decision (with some supporting
> comments - but not proof - in italics)
>>
>> 1. Not certain how insurance company would handle any possible claim
> resulting from a brake failure if you were not using an hydraulic fluid
> approved for "Aircraft" brakes.
>>
>> 2. There is still some questions about the suitability of some of the
> other fluids as candidates. For instance I have read (don't know if its a
> fact or not) that DOT 5 can absorb moisture over time which can cause
> corrosion of aluminum brake parts (automobiles use steel parts).
>>
>> I would be careful with ATF. The high detergent level may or may not be
> compatible with seals. Why not use a fluid DESIGNED for the task.
>>
>> 3. Cold weather may affect the operation of the ATV
>> I tried using ATF, as I'd also read good reports on it, however recently
>> I
>> had to fill the system after changing the tires & brakes and found that
>> it
>> was impossible to fill the system at -15C, so with great difficulty I
> purged
>> and flushed the ATF out of the system and am now using DOT5. ATF may be
>> suitable for use in warmer climates, but didn't cut it up here in the
> frozen
>> north.
>>
>>
>> Now I am unlikely (I hope) to ever be operating where the temps are -
> 15C!!!, but thought it was interesting.
>>
>>
>> But, the biggest reason is I did not want to make it easy for an
>> insurance
> company to invalidate any claim that might arise.
>>
>> Ed A
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Why did you decide against the more readily available Mobil1 synthetic
> ATF
>> > option that others are using? Just curious....
>> >
>> > -
>> > Larry Bowen
>> > Larry@BowenAero.com
>> > http://BowenAero.com
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: sportav8r@aol.com [mailto:sportav8r@aol.com]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:25 PM
>> >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
>> >>
>> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>> >>
>> >> thanks, Ed. will see if I can do that fairly soon; I need ot
>> >> pay some attention to my brakes soon - time for replacement
>> >> pads after 540 hours.
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>> >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
>> >> --> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>> >>
>> >> Stormy, I have a gallon of the stuff and more than willing to
>> >> share it as there is more there than I would probably use in
>> >> a flying life time {:>). If we can arrange to meet at Goose
>> >> Creek (28A) where I keep the stuff (bring your own container)
>> >> sometimes when you are flying (or driving as far as that
>> >> goes), I'll be more than happy to fill it up.
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> Ed Anderson
>> >> Matthews, NC
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <sportav8r@aol.com>
>> >> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Was someone in the group saying they had some of the new
>> >> hi-temp brake
>> >> > fluid in quantity and willing to divvy it up among the rest of us?
>> >> >
>> >> > I was fixin' to order a gallon of it otherwise; then I can
>> >> be the one to
>> >> > share :-)
>> >> >
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