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1. 02:17 AM - Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps (Steve Glasgow)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps (Craig)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Fw: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps (Lenleg@aol.com)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Stormy's Altitude hold is on the way (Mike.Munn@fluor.com)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps (Craig)
7. 08:41 AM - (sportav8r@aol.com)
8. 01:52 PM - reply to Kahuna (sportav8r@aol.com)
9. 07:07 PM - Re: Stormy's Altitude hold is on the way (Demeylor@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
I might be able to come on Monday as well. Let me know what time Larry is coming.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
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From: Craig
To: SERV
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Craig <craigtxtx@yahoo.com>
I am now officially frustrated. After several days of measuring, trimming, test
fitting and generally scratching my head and pondering, I am still no closer
to figuring out how to make these flaps fit well. I have the wings installed
for the first time and am in the process of preparing to drill the sacred rear
spar bolt holes. Per Van's instructions, I am also test fitting the flaps.
With the wing set up properly (I think), the left flap fits reasonably well,
but is about 1/8" below the fuselage bottom in the up position. The trailing
edge of the right flap ends up about 1/4" lower than the trailing edge of the
left flap. This is a very noticeable difference. Also, I may have trimmed
too much off of the inboard end of the top flap skin........ not sure if the flap
fairing will cover that........ if I can figure out how to make the flap fairing
work at all with the current flap fit up.
In short, I really need to look at one that actually works and would greatly
appreciate someone who has done this before laying an eyeball on mine. If
any of you 8/8A drivers need a destination to fly to and have time to stop by
6NC3, Eastover Air Ranch in Fayetteville in the coming days, I would greatly appreciate
some advice. Lunch is on me of course! With the exception of Saturday
and Sunday, I am open to most any time from tomorrow through next Monday.
Give me a call if you think you can help, 910-257-1842.
I know this is a busy time of year for everyone, but I would appreciate the
help if possible.
Thanks.
Craig Gallenbach
RV8AQB ....... tryin' to make the big pieces fit together
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| Subject: | Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Craig <craigtxtx@yahoo.com>
That would be great if one or both of you could make it. I'll be in touch.
Thanks,
Craig
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| Subject: | Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
So Stormy.
Im running off half cocked? Perhaps you would care to elaborate. Vans statement
to Randy has now been confirmed by several highly respected individuals who have
also spoken to Vans in person. What say you now?
This is quite simple..... Mr. Conservative (Vans) went into a room with his engineers
and came out and said "forget the fuel." This new position by the designer
gives us much more utility than we have previously been able to use. Frankly,
a lot more.
And your clich, " No old, bold pilots" is cute. However, I know and fly with a
lot of old bold pilots. They test and enjoy the envelope while others sit back
and watch.
So while some are 'urging caution', what would YOU say we do with this new piece
of information?
Best,
Kahuna
Maybe fully cocked
Do not archive
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
From: sportav8r@AOL.COM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
please read the ENTIRE thread in the archives before running off and doing acro
at an extra 250 lbs wt. Kahuna seems to be ready to run off half-cocked here
and others are urging caution, which seems wise to me.
No old, bold pilots, right?
-Stormy
If Van didn't put it in writing, it's urban legend until proven otherwise, and
you're the test pilot.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mstewart@iss.net writes:
Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
is revolutionary for an RV owner.
There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
in the Aerobatic gross.
Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
aerobatics.
Taken from here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
of fun has been left on the table over the years.
Best,
Kahuna
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Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
is revolutionary for an RV owner.
There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
in the Aerobatic gross.
Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
aerobatics.
Taken from here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
of fun has been left on the table over the years.
Best,
Kahuna
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| Subject: | Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 12/21/2005 5:18:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
willfly@carolina.rr.com writes:
I might be able to come on Monday as well. Let me know what time Larry is
coming.
I might come too ... might as well have a group !!!
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Stormy's Altitude hold is on the way |
(Release 6.5.4FP1 | June 19, 2005) at 12/21/2005 08:33:02
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Mike.Munn@fluor.com
Congrats!!!
Mike M
do not archive
bill crothers
<bill28104@yahoo.com>
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Stormy's Altitude hold is on the way
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
Speaking of Merry Christmas, I'm now the proud owner
of Scott Keadle's 8. (how quick was that, Cappy?)
Looking real forward to many 200 mph days. Wife is
even willing to go since back seat is huge compared to
4. Will likely take it to next months LAL deal if I
can learn to grease those ldgs. by then...bill c.
(Reno Red 2)
--- Steve Glasgow <willfly@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve
> Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Don't forget there is help is you need it. Cappy's
> Toy just passed it's Transponder check at Twin Lakes
> Avionics. Good job. Nice people. Good price.
> $75. I promised them all Larry would give them a
> ride.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sportav8r@aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:06 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Stormy's Altitude hold
> is on the way
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> Trio shipped my unit yesterday; should be here
> tomorrow or Friday. Looks like I'll be on my belly
> in the tailcone come Christmas :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Need some help ....... RV8/8A flaps |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Craig <craigtxtx@yahoo.com>
Len,
Great! The more eyes the better. I'll be in touch as the time gets closer.
Right now the long range weather guess is looking OK.
Thanks,
Craig
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Kahuna:
Please see my comments embedded below.
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
So Stormy.
Im running off half cocked?
>>Mike, I believe the quote is "seems to be ready to run off..." How much more
qualified could I have made that statement?<<
Perhaps you would care to elaborate. >> I don't feel the need to elaborate; it's
all well-documented on the RV-List. My worry was that there are
persons on the SouthEast list who are not subscribed to the RV List, and would
not have the benefit of the CHORUS of voices urging you to be
careful how you applied this new information. That is all.<<
Vans statement
to Randy has now been confirmed by several highly respected individuals who have
also spoken to Vans in person. What say you now? >>I say it seems to be corroborated.
Perhaps it will appear in print soon in an RVator.
That would put it to rest for me.<<
This is quite simple..... Mr. Conservative (Vans) went into a room with his
engineers and came out and said "forget the fuel." This new position by the
designer gives us much more utility than we have previously been able to use.
Frankly, a lot more.
And your clich, " No old, bold pilots" is cute. However, I know and fly with a
lot of old bold pilots.
>>Then you should be careful, because bad company corrupts good morals, or something
like that ;-)<<
They test and enjoy the envelope while others sit back
and watch.>>Then they are not "bold" in the sense of "reckless" that the cliche
requires. They simply have The Right Stuff.
I have no problem with that.<<
So while some are 'urging caution', what would YOU say we do with this new piece
of information? >>Just what you have apparently done: substantiate it, understand
what it does and doesn't mean
(no "adding 250 # to all our allowable weights" as someone said), and disseminate
it carefully, in context. <<
Best,
Kahuna
Maybe fully cocked>> Dude, I'm not going there.<<
Do not archive >> Excellent idea.<<
My only concern here is your safety and everone else's, and my intent was to get
the SERV brethren to read the entire discussion
as it unfolded, or in the archives, and not just your post to the SERV list, which
did not mention the feedback you were already getting
from concerned friends. If that was wrong, I apologize right here in front of
everybody.
-Stormy
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
From: sportav8r@AOL.COM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
please read the ENTIRE thread in the archives before running off and doing acro
at an extra 250 lbs wt. Kahuna seems to be ready to run off half-cocked here
and others are urging caution, which seems wise to me.
No old, bold pilots, right?
-Stormy
If Van didn't put it in writing, it's urban legend until proven otherwise, and
you're the test pilot.
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I thought I sent this earlier today, but I guess it "poofed..."
-----Original Message-----
From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) mstewart@iss.net
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
<mstewart@iss.net>
So Stormy.
Im running off half cocked?
>>Mike, I believe the quote is "seems to be ready to run off..." How much more
qualified could I have made that statement?<<
Perhaps you would care to elaborate. >> I don't feel the need to elaborate; it's
all well-documented on the RV-List. My worry was that there are persons on
the SouthEast list who are not subscribed to the RV List, and would not have the
benefit of the CHORUS of voices urging you to be careful how you applied this
new information. That is all.<<
Vans statement
to Randy has now been confirmed by several highly respected individuals who have
also spoken to Vans in person. What say you now? >>I say it seems to be corroborated.
Perhaps it will appear in print soon in an RVator.<<
This is quite simple..... Mr. Conservative (Vans) went into a room with his
engineers and came out and said "forget the fuel." This new position by the
designer gives us much more utility than we have previously been able to use.
Frankly, a lot more.
And your clich, " No old, bold pilots" is cute. However, I know and fly with a
lot of old bold pilots.
>>Then you should be careful, because bad company corrupts good morals, or something
like that ;-)<<
They test and enjoy the envelope while others sit back
and watch.>>Then they are not bold in the sense of reckless that the cliche requires.
They simply have The Right Stuff. I have no problem with that.<<
So while some are 'urging caution', what would YOU say we do with this new piece
of information? >>Just what you have apparently done: substantiate it, understand
what it does and doesn't mean (no "adding 250 # to all our allowable weights"
as someone said), and disseminate it carefully, in context. <<
Best,
Kahuna
Maybe fully cocked>> dude, I'm not going there.<<
Do not archive
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
From: sportav8r@AOL.COM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
please read the ENTIRE thread in the archives before running off and doing acro
at an extra 250 lbs wt. Kahuna seems to be ready to run off half-cocked here
and others are urging caution, which seems wise to me.
No old, bold pilots, right?
-Stormy
If Van didn't put it in writing, it's urban legend until proven otherwise, and
you're the test pilot.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
In a message dated 12/17/2005 7:43:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mstewart@iss.net writes:
Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
is revolutionary for an RV owner.
There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
in the Aerobatic gross.
Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
aerobatics.
Taken from here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
of fun has been left on the table over the years.
Best,
Kahuna
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From: "Stewart, Michael \(ISS Atlanta\)" <mstewart@iss.net>
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Subject: [Team RV] Your Aerobatic Gross Weight
Some of you may have met Randy Lervold, fellow RV driver who did a lot
of prop testing for us. He has just extracted a little piece of
information out of Vans that I thought you might find interesting. This
is revolutionary for an RV owner.
There has been some confusion about Aerobatic gross weight on the RV-3
ever since the new B wings were introduced in 1998. I spoke with Van
himself twice this week on this issue, he in turn discussed with his
staff internally, and have now clarified it. Aerobatic gross weight for
the RV-3 (all models, all wings) is 1,050 lbs. (no confusion on this).
This figure however does NOT include fuel in WING tanks which is what
was not clear. Note that any fuel in a fuselage tank WOULD be included
in the Aerobatic gross.
Interestingly, he confirmed that this method applies to any RV model. As
an RV-8 builder/pilot I interpreted Van's W&B instructions to mean that
fuel WAS included in Aerobatic Category gross weight calculations as
well as Utility/Normal Category gross weight operation. In fact that is
erroneous -- as long as the fuel is in wing tanks it may be excluded
from the Aerobatic calculation and limit. Of course Van's points out
that weight has other deleterious effects on aerobatic handling and
encourages pilots to use good judgement when loading their aircraft for
aerobatics.
Taken from here:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=4595
Frankly I don't know whether to smile at the added utility of my plane,
or shoot Vans for withholding this data. I think Ill just do both! A lot
of fun has been left on the table over the years.
Best,
Kahuna
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