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1. 03:56 AM - Re: Lakeland (Steve Glasgow)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (bill crothers)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Steve Glasgow)
4. 05:48 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Ed Anderson)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (James Clark)
6. 06:03 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
8. 06:28 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
9. 06:35 AM - Re: Transponder (Wayne Williams)
10. 06:39 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
11. 06:50 AM - Avionics - Gary Wilson (Ed Anderson)
12. 08:26 AM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (Steve Glasgow)
13. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 (Steve Glasgow)
14. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 (Steve Glasgow)
15. 09:24 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (Dale Ensing)
16. 09:45 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
17. 10:02 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (Steve Glasgow)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (sportav8r@aol.com)
19. 10:59 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (Robbie Walker)
20. 11:13 AM - Re: Working on experimentals (sportav8r@aol.com)
21. 01:18 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (Robbie Walker)
22. 01:30 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (Robbie Walker)
23. 03:27 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (Charlie England)
24. 04:12 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (Ed Anderson)
25. 04:47 PM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (WVSWIFT@aol.com)
26. 04:52 PM - Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed (WVSWIFT@aol.com)
27. 06:39 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (sportav8r@aol.com)
28. 06:39 PM - radio work needed (Ed Anderson)
29. 07:51 PM - Re: Working on experimentals (Charlie England)
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
My planned route is LKR, BNL, RVJ, AMG, GNV, ZPH, 2:48 min.
I need to get gas close to LAL because we plan to go on to Homestead on Saturday.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bowen
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
The ones N and S of Ft. Stewart. Not a big deal to deviate, but if you have
info, pls share.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus Cooper [mailto:coop85@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:28 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
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> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
> --> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
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> Larry,
> Which restricted areas in South Georgia are you
> referencing? I am at Moody AFB and might be able to provide
> more info if it's regarding R3008 or others close by to make
> your trips easier.
>
> Marcus
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Larry Bowen
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
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> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> --> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
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> What is your route? East of the restriced areas in GA and
> west of the restricted areas in FL?
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> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glasgow [mailto:willfly@carolina.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:43 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > --> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > I'm going to try to make it to Zephyr Hills where the gas is
> > $2.95 and will try to leave around 10 AM.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bill crothers
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lakeland
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers
> > <bill28104@yahoo.com>
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> > looks like meet at lancaster about 10 or 11. fly down
> > to alma and get gas/on to lal.
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> > --- Steve Glasgow <willfly@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
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> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve
> > > Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
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> > > What time is everyone thinking about leaving on
> > > Friday.
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> > > Lynnie and I have changed our plans and we are now
> > > leaving on Fricay instead of Saturday.
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> > > Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> > > Cappy's Toy
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
tem 2...get a Valcom flip/flop and replace. radio
repairs are expensive vs. new Valcom. (I have one in
box) wiill advise px. if you care. bill
i
--- Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com> wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and
> Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be
> checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have
> to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having
> say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
> 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up,
> and the .25 button is not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest,
> cheapest way to get it fixed?
>
> 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in
> my hangar and he needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a
> Icom flip flop radio and a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from
> California and has no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene
> here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff
> worked on either...... He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to
> install this stuff. Any
> ideas???
>
> 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart.
> The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed
> incorrectly. The hinges keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of
> it left. I will have to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear
> that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all
> of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up
> with some fix ideas for it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it
> and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested
> asking Eddie Shields if he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I
> figured I would put it out to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time
> to help me - I would be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a
> clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up
> on the offer as I know he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems
> would just distract him....
>
> Any help on any of this would be appreciated.
> Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few
> days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!!
> But got er done thanks to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
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> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
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> >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve
> Glasgow"
> ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on
> the serial number of the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I
> decided a good nick name for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you
> turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are
> Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed
> Anderson"
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> > I have not as of this date, Dale
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> > Ed Anderson
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> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
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> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale
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> > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
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> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you need
to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just had mine
done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a problematic
unless you are an A&P.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Couple things....
1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is not
working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it fixed?
3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio and a
new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has no
contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either...... He
is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff. Any
ideas???
4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges keep
coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have to
ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for it
but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if he
would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out to
the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would be
glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know he
is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract him....
Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks to
Ed Andersons tools and help.
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Hi Ed,
>
>Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of the
>engine.
>
>BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name for
>you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
>well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
>
>See you in LAL my friend.
>
>Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Anderson
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> I have not as of this date, Dale
>
> Ed Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
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> > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th and
> > last
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> > Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Cappy's right, Ron. Shop around for the best price for a "VFR" transponder
check. The avionics shop at Ashenboro airport charges $65.
There is a local gent by name of Gary Wilson who does avionics work
reasonably. Keeps his workshop in the trunk of a Honda last I saw him. I
don't have his phone number but John Long or Bill Freeman may have it.
Might be one for your friend to contact about panel work.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it)
> you need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I
> just had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
> Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
> problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
> 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
> not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> fixed?
>
> 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he
> needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
> and a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
> no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either......
> He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> Any
> ideas???
>
> 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would
> be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know
> he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> him....
>
> Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> >
> >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
> for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> ><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > I have not as of this date, Dale
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
Comments below ..
James
On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com> wrote:
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> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <
> sawad13@msn.com>
>
> Couple things....
>
> 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so often
> like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte Approach
> make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is not
> working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> fixed?
Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they are
familiar.
3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
> to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio and
> a
> new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has no
> contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't know
> the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
> either...... He
> is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> Any
> ideas???
He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the work
himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
EAA Chapter??
4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> keep
> coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> to
> ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling could
> fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek RV
> squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> it
> but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have the
> tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> he
> would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> to
> the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I would
> be
> glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy fix,
> and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I know
> he
> is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> him....
Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
Hope this helps.
James
Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what a
> pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> to
> Ed Andersons tools and help.
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
> >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> >
> >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> >Hi Ed,
> >
> >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> the
> >engine.
> >
> >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name for
> >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on. Oh
> >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> >
> >See you in LAL my friend.
> >
> >Cappy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Anderson
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> ><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > I have not as of this date, Dale
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> >
> >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
> and
> > > last
> > > issue of 2005?
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Steve, Where is twin lakes?
And please explain what you mean about working on the plane without being
the builder and not being a A&P. It is my understanding that Anyone can work
on a experimental airplane. They do not have to be the builder, or a A&P, or
the pilot, or the owner, etc...
. The only exceptions to that is for the Condition inspection once a year
which would have to be done by a A&P or the builder if he still holds the
repairmans certificate, And if any Major alterations were done, again it
would need to be signed off by one of those two.
Am I wrong on this?
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you
>need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just
>had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
>Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
>problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
>Cappy
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Okay, thanks Ed. Yes to all, I am in the Charlotte Veil...... Wasn't sure
if the Xponder still had to be checked in a experimental, and had read
somewhere that in the experimental If you made radar contact with a
flight center and the altitude that showed you at and what your altimeter
was showing was the same, then all you had to do was make a log book entry
as owner of the plane and that was it. I wasn't buying that, so that is why
I asked. 65$ bucks for someone else to write what I already know in my
logbook isn't too bad... it is only money right! :)
Ron Awad
>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:47:55 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>Cappy's right, Ron. Shop around for the best price for a "VFR" transponder
>check. The avionics shop at Ashenboro airport charges $65.
>
>There is a local gent by name of Gary Wilson who does avionics work
>reasonably. Keeps his workshop in the trunk of a Honda last I saw him.
>I
>don't have his phone number but John Long or Bill Freeman may have it.
>Might be one for your friend to contact about panel work.
>
>
>Ed A
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> >
> > If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it)
> > you need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years.
>I
> > just had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
> >
> > Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
> > problematic unless you are an A&P.
> >
> > Cappy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
> >
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> > <sawad13@msn.com>
> >
> > Couple things....
> >
> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>often
> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a
>radio
> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>Approach
> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
> >
> > 2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button
>is
> > not
> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> > fixed?
> >
> > 3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he
> > needs
> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
> > and a
> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
> > no
> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>know
> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on either......
> > He
> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> > Any
> > ideas???
> >
> > 4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges
>the
> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> > keep
> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will
>have
> > to
> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>could
> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>RV
> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas
>for
> > it
> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>the
> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields
>if
> > he
> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it
>out
> > to
> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>would
> > be
> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>fix,
> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>know
> > he
> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> > him....
> >
> > Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>a
> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done
>thanks
> > to
> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> > >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> > >
> > >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number
>of
> > the
> > >engine.
> > >
> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
> > for
> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>Oh
> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> > >
> > >See you in LAL my friend.
> > >
> > >Cappy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Anderson
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> > ><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
> > >
> > > Ed Anderson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> > > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the
>6th
> > and
> > > > last
> > > > issue of 2005?
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
James, the guy with the gyro in my hangar can't turn a screwdriver much less
remove his old radio and install the new one with all those wires behind the
panel. His old radio is small and square, and the new one is flat and wide,
so a new radio stack panel will have to be cut and installed.
As for Wendell. I am sure he does good work, but I called him twice and left
messages on his recorder, and called a third time and spoke with someone in
his shop who promissed Wendell would call me right back...... This was
MONTHS ago, and I am still waiting for him to call me back. That was for a
simple Prop balance. I wonder if he would ever call back on something more
involved like replacing the piano hinging on the cowling.
I was hoping to find one of the Builders here with a little spare time that
would be able to help me.
Ron Awad
>From: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:54:04 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
>
>Comments below ..
>
>James
>
>
>On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <
> > sawad13@msn.com>
> >
> > Couple things....
> >
> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>often
> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a radio
> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>Approach
> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>
>
>Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
>near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
>
>
>2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
>not
> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
> > fixed?
>
>
>Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
>that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they
>are
>familiar.
>
>
>3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
>and
> > a
> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
>no
> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>know
> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
> > either...... He
> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
> > Any
> > ideas???
>
>
>He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the work
>himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
>then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
>EAA Chapter??
>
>
>4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
> > keep
> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will have
> > to
> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>could
> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>RV
> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas for
> > it
> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>the
> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields if
> > he
> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it out
> > to
> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>would
> > be
> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>fix,
> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>know
> > he
> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
> > him....
>
>
>Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
>several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
>4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
>
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>James
>
>Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>a
> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done thanks
> > to
> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> > >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
> > >
> > >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> > ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number of
> > the
> > >engine.
> > >
> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
>for
> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>Oh
> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
> > >
> > >See you in LAL my friend.
> > >
> > >Cappy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Anderson
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> > ><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > >
> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
> > >
> > > Ed Anderson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
> > > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the 6th
> > and
> > > > last
> > > > issue of 2005?
> > > > Dale Ensing
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne@gamewood.net>
Just for some clarification, the transponder check is required every 24
calendar months regardless of were you fly, if you are going to turn it on.
You are required, however, to have a transponder only in certain airspace.
(In Class C and B, above C and B, under B, in the 30 mile veil and 18,000msl
and above (Class A)). It is the same check whether you fly IFR or VFR. IFR
also requires a pitot-static/ Altimeter check every 24 months.
They grilled me on all this stuff when I took my CFI checkride the other
day.
Wayne8A
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Avionics - Gary Wilson |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Ron,
Have your friend with the gyro call Gary Wilson 704-786-4446 (found his
phone number) about the avionics work he wants done.
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> James, the guy with the gyro in my hangar can't turn a screwdriver much
> less
> remove his old radio and install the new one with all those wires behind
> the
> panel. His old radio is small and square, and the new one is flat and
> wide,
> so a new radio stack panel will have to be cut and installed.
>
>
> As for Wendell. I am sure he does good work, but I called him twice and
> left
> messages on his recorder, and called a third time and spoke with someone
> in
> his shop who promissed Wendell would call me right back...... This was
> MONTHS ago, and I am still waiting for him to call me back. That was for a
> simple Prop balance. I wonder if he would ever call back on something more
> involved like replacing the piano hinging on the cowling.
>
> I was hoping to find one of the Builders here with a little spare time
> that
> would be able to help me.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>>From: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:54:04 -0500
>>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
>>
>>Comments below ..
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>On 1/11/06, Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <
>> > sawad13@msn.com>
>> >
>> > Couple things....
>> >
>> > 1. Do the transponders in experimentals need to be checked every so
>>often
>> > like in a certified airplane? If so, do they have to be done at a
>> > radio
>> > shop, or could the owner pilot check it via having say Charlotte
>>Approach
>> > make radar contact and verifiy correct altitude?
>>
>>
>>Depending on where you fly. Certain airspace requires it. Aren't you
>>near/under Charlotte 30nm Mode C ?
>>
>>
>>2. My radio - a Mitchell flip flop - is acting up, and the .25 button is
>>not
>> > working at all. What is the best, or easiest, cheapest way to get it
>> > fixed?
>>
>>
>>Sometimes a plug in preplacement from E-Bay or somewhere. There are shops
>>that work on radios. I would call the folks at Rock Hill and see if they
>>are
>>familiar.
>>
>>
>>3. I have a friend who keeps his two place gyro in my hangar and he needs
>> > to find someone to rework his panel and install a Icom flip flop radio
>>and
>> > a
>> > new intercom he just bought. He just moved here from California and has
>>no
>> > contacts in the local experimental aircraft scene here - and I don't
>>know
>> > the first thing about where to get radio stuff worked on
>> > either...... He
>> > is WILLING TO PAY anyone who has some spare time to install this stuff.
>> > Any
>> > ideas???
>>
>>
>>He should look more closely a it. He **may** be able to do most of the
>>work
>>himself after talking to a few people. The 1 or 2 things he cannot do will
>>then be easier to get done by "outside help". Does he belong to the locall
>>EAA Chapter??
>>
>>
>>4. Lastly.... My cowling on my RV-4 is coming apart. The piano hinges the
>> > builder used are too small or thin or installed incorrectly. The hinges
>> > keep
>> > coming apart and at this point there is not much of it left. I will
>> > have
>> > to
>> > ground the plane soon till I get it fixed for fear that the cowling
>>could
>> > fly off. Ed Anderson, Mike Bick, Tad and Bill - all of the Goose Creek
>>RV
>> > squadron - have looked at it and we have come up with some fix ideas
>> > for
>> > it
>> > but right now everyone is too busy to help me fix it and I don't have
>>the
>> > tools or knowhow to do it myself. Mike Suggested asking Eddie Shields
>> > if
>> > he
>> > would be interested in helping me fix it... I figured I would put it
>> > out
>> > to
>> > the whole group and see if anyone has some free time to help me - I
>>would
>> > be
>> > glad to pay for your time. Tad and Ed came up with a clever and easy
>>fix,
>> > and Tad offered to help, but I hate to take him up on the offer as I
>>know
>> > he
>> > is just about done with his bird and my problems would just distract
>> > him....
>>
>>
>>
>>Wendell over in Cheraw, SC (A&P, etc, etc) built a 4 and has worked on
>>several RVs I believe. That is a shop I would recommend for such work on a
>>4. If not try Frank (or John actually) at Camden, SC.
>>
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>James
>>
>>Any help on any of this would be appreciated. Thanks to everyone who
>> > offered help or advise on jacking the plane up a few days ago. Wow what
>>a
>> > pain in the butt just to change out some tires!!! But got er done
>> > thanks
>> > to
>> > Ed Andersons tools and help.
>> >
>> > Ron Awad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>> > >To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:47:45 -0500
>> > >
>> > >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
>> > ><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>> > >
>> > >Hi Ed,
>> > >
>> > >Mike Munn knows all about the AD and it depends on the serial number
>> > >of
>> > the
>> > >engine.
>> > >
>> > >BTW after the story of your last adventure I decided a good nick name
>>for
>> > >you would be "Dusty". I started to LOL when you turned the air on.
>>Oh
>> > >well all is well that end well, even if you are Dusty.
>> > >
>> > >See you in LAL my friend.
>> > >
>> > >Cappy
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Ed Anderson
>> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:21 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
>> > ><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>> > >
>> > > I have not as of this date, Dale
>> > >
>> > > Ed Anderson
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>> > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV ator
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
>> > > > <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > To those subscribing to the THE RV ATOR, have you received the
>> > > 6th
>> > and
>> > > > last
>> > > > issue of 2005?
>> > > > Dale Ensing
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>--
>>This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
>>james@nextupventures.com .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Twin Lakes is 8A7 and is southwest of Winston.
It is my understanding that only the builder of an experimental aircraft can legally
work on that plane. The FAA gave me a Repairman Certificate for my airplane
only. If I sell it to you I can still work on it but not one that someone
else built. The scope of what can be done by the owner or other person and
not the builder may be somewhat limited. I don't know exactly what the limitations
are. I would caution everyone to be careful in this area.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Steve, Where is twin lakes?
And please explain what you mean about working on the plane without being
the builder and not being a A&P. It is my understanding that Anyone can work
on a experimental airplane. They do not have to be the builder, or a A&P, or
the pilot, or the owner, etc...
. The only exceptions to that is for the Condition inspection once a year
which would have to be done by a A&P or the builder if he still holds the
repairmans certificate, And if any Major alterations were done, again it
would need to be signed off by one of those two.
Am I wrong on this?
Ron Awad
>From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
><willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
>If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you
>need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just
>had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.
>
>Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a
>problematic unless you are an A&P.
>
>Cappy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Will do Lee.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06 |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Lee don't you have a 4. Unless I'm wrong the tailwheel design is different. Why
2 are you planning on breaking one.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 01/10/06
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
Count me in on the new tail wheel design. Two please!! Seriously, if the
gentleman decides to manufacture these, I would be interested. And yes, I
will need two of them.
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you sell
an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
Inspection on only the designated airplane.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
Ron Awad
>From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
><densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
>sell
>an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
>be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
>Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Cappy stands corrected. However, I still feel it may be problematic in regards
to liability.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
704-362-0005
704-281-7884
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you sell
an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
Inspection on only the designated airplane.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can add oil, and
air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or install an autopilot or build
a cooling plenum without the required credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman
cert or an A&P license, it's no different that what spam owners are allowed
to do as "owner maintenance."
My $.02
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:45:34 -0500
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
Ron Awad
>From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
><densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
>You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it. If you
>sell
>an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection can only
>be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the Condition
>Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
can't do the inspection either.
Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
Robbie Walker
Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
______________________________
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
lose both, and deserve neither.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
> maintenance."
>
> My $.02
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:45:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
>> <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>> If you
>> sell
>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>> can only
>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>> Condition
>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>> Dale Ensing
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields weighs
in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0500
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
can't do the inspection either.
Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
Robbie Walker
Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
______________________________
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
lose both, and deserve neither.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
> maintenance."
>
> My $.02
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:45:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>
>
> Ron Awad
>
>
>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
>> <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>> If you
>> sell
>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>> can only
>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an A&P.
>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>> Condition
>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>> Dale Ensing
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Not only that, but you don't need a tailwheel, complex, or high-power
endorsement to operate an experimental (as long as you aren't
carrying any passengers)
FAR 61.31(k)(2)(iii)(B)
Robbie Walker
______________________________
That ideas should spread from one to another over the globe, for the
moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his
condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by
nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space,
without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in
which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
confinement or exclusive appropriation.
Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when
> Eddie Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to
> "elsewhere."
>
> If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
> apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
> whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
>
> Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
> original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
> builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
> can't do the inspection either.
>
> Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
>
> Robbie Walker
> Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
> ______________________________
> A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
> lose both, and deserve neither.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
>> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
>> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
>> maintenance."
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:45:34 -0500
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
>> <sawad13@msn.com>
>>
>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Awad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>
>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
>>> <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>>
>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>> If you
>>> sell
>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>>> can only
>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>> A&P.
>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>> Condition
>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>> Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Let me clarify, that I at least have a MORE SENSE than to try this, I
was just pointing out the differences between experimental and
certificated.
Personally the idea of trying to "learn by doing" something like
tailwheel operations or aerobatics scares the WILLIES outta me...
Weight Loss Update: 15 lbs and dropping, but I had a gout flare-up
last night so I've gotta get off the low carb long enough to get the
purines outta my system. Maybe I'll fit in a RV-7 instead of an 8?
Robbie Walker
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On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Robbie Walker wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Not only that, but you don't need a tailwheel, complex, or high-power
> endorsement to operate an experimental (as long as you aren't
> carrying any passengers)
>
> FAR 61.31(k)(2)(iii)(B)
>
> Robbie Walker
> ______________________________
> That ideas should spread from one to another over the globe, for the
> moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his
> condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by
> nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space,
> without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in
> which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
> confinement or exclusive appropriation.
> Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>> Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when
>> Eddie Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to
>> "elsewhere."
>>
>> If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>> -Stormy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:58:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Robbie Walker
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>
>> Nope. This has been covered ad nauseum elsewhere. Those rules only
>> apply to certificated aircraft. ANYONE can work on an experimental,
>> whether they're the builder or not; even rebuild the wing!
>>
>> Only the annual condition inspection must be done by an A&P or the
>> original builder with a Repairman's Certificate. If the original
>> builder is not issued a repairman's certificate for some reason, he
>> can't do the inspection either.
>>
>> Whether it's WISE for ANYONE to work on the plane is another matter.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>> Arr-Vee-Wanna-Bee
>> ______________________________
>> A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will
>> lose both, and deserve neither.
>> -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:33 PM, sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>>
>>> I think it depends on what is meant by "work on it." Sure, you can
>>> add oil, and air the tires, but you can't replace avionics or
>>> install an autopilot or build a cooling plenum without the required
>>> credentials. IIRC, without the repaiman cert or an A&P license,
>>> it's no different that what spam owners are allowed to do as "owner
>>> maintenance."
>>>
>>> My $.02
>>>
>>> -Stormy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron and Shannon AWAD <sawad13@msn.com>
>>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:45:34 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>
>>>
>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
>>> <sawad13@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Dale, that was what I had heard many times before.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Ron Awad
>>>
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>>>> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:55 -0500
>>>>
>>>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing"
>>>> <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>>>>
>>>> You do not have to be the builder of the airplane to work on it.
>>>> If you
>>>> sell
>>>> an airplane the new owner can work on it. The Condition Inspection
>>>> can only
>>>> be done by the person holding the Repairman Certificate or an an
>>>> A&P.
>>>> The Repairman Certificate gives you the privilege of doing the
>>>> Condition
>>>> Inspection on only the designated airplane.
>>>> Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields weighs
in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>
>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
>-Stormy
>
It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
members-only section of the web site.
Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
one......(thank God).
relevant political comments deleted
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>
>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>>
>>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie
>>Shields weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>>
>>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>>
>>-Stormy
>>
>
> It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
> members-only section of the web site.
>
> Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
> one......(thank God).
>
> relevant political comments deleted
>
> Charlie
>
Hey, Charlie
NOT just experimental, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anyone's
left one up there yet. GA, Military, Airliners, etc,. have all had their
disasters - so, we're just in good company {:>)
Heading down tomorrow to fly to the Lakeland Florida Wing RV flyin - get
your 7 built and come join us.
Best Regards
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: WVSWIFT@aol.com
Ron:
The answer to your question about who can work on an experimental, anyone
can>>>>>with exception to the condition inspection that is required each year.
FAR Part 43 does not apply to an experimental home built. (with one
exception)
The operating limitations , which is a part of the Special Airworthiness
Certificate, (should be attached to it) outlines how and when the required
inspection is to be accomplished and by whom and how the inspection is signed
off.
Both should be in the aircraft at all times with the registration card.
I have recently seen an experimental aircraft logbook that was signed by the
words "annual , no issues". Well, that does NOT meet the rule in the
operating limitations issued to an experimental. These "annuals" were from 1993,
(there is no annual for an experimental, only a condition inspection every
year.) No legal inspection during all those years! Nobody knows who did it.SO,
it
was not a legal sign off for 12 years. Bet an insurance company would love to
see the operating limitations not adhered to, SO NO PAYOFF!
The limitations will state what shall be written after the inspection has
been completed and who can conduct a condition inspection.
A big misconception I see a lot is the operating limitations state how and
what must be inspected every year. That is FAR 43 appendix D.. This is the only
time FAR Part 43 applies to an experimental. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everybody
review their respective operating limitations to see what is in there along
with FAR Part 43 appendix D. You might not be able to fly and conduct aerobatics
without the proper signoff in accordance with the statement in the operating
limitations. Best read it.
Also, read FAR Part 91.413 for the use of the ATC transponder(VFR). It
doesn't state experimentals are exempt. All transponders that are used in airspace
must also be inspected every 24 calendar months. Please keep in mind, FAR
Part 91.411 must also be complied with on all aircraft being used in IFR
conditions.
Contact Jerry Boyce at Rock Hill about your cowl, he just finished his RV8
cowl.
He has a hanger facing the runway across the runway from the FBO. He also
might be able to help in the sheetmetal work for your friend. Also there are
others there that may help.
Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can
return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.
Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any
transponders or systems in an aircraft.
If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work or
email me at work. You know where I am.
Hope this helps
Eddie
_Edwin.G.Shields@FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields@FAA.GOV) (don't forget
the dots between the name)
PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks in
the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will be
home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now on my Swift.
We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here too.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: WVSWIFT@aol.com
PS:
On the major repair or alteration question, you can do it, just takes an A&P
or the repairman for that aircraft to sign off a condition inspection every
year.
The only thing to remember on major alterations are you will need to check
the operating limitations on what to do when that is done. The newer operating
limitations now allow you to put the aircraft into a test period yourself and
then sign off the flight test yourself. The old operating limitations
required you to contact the FAA Flight Standards District Office prior to flying
the aircraft and they will put a test period and area restriction on the
aircraft. This change only happened about a year or so ago.
Eddie
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
You jerkin' my chain, Charlie?
(You subscribed to the Federalist Patriot yet, my good man?)
I regret being wrong about the experimental tinkering issue, first because I regret
being wrong in general, and second because the same good reasons for limiting
owner maintenance's scope in factory aircraft applies by all logic to experimentals.
(Some rules are actually good to have.) That's all I meant.
Yes, thank God for the freedoms we do have left, and that the .gov doesn't feel
the need to protect us from every way we might hurt ourselves.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:26:59 -0600
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Working on experimentals
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
>Well, okay- guess I was wrong. I'll consider it settled when Eddie Shields
weighs in on it or someone provides a reference as to "elsewhere."
>
>If that's how it really is, it seems like disaster waiting to happen.
>
>-Stormy
>
It's the eaa's position. Call 'em up, or you can probably find it on the
members-only section of the web site.
Experimentals are all disasters waiting to happen; anyone can build
one......(thank God).
relevant political comments deleted
Charlie
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| Subject: | radio work needed |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can
> return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.
> Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any
> transponders or systems in an aircraft.
> If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work
> or
> email me at work. You know where I am.
> Hope this helps
> Eddie
> _Edwin.G.Shields@FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields@FAA.GOV) (don't forget
> the dots between the name)
> PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks
> in
> the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will
> be
> home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now on my
> Swift.
> We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here too.
Hi Eddie, we met once when you were inspecting Mike Bics RV-4 at GooseCreek.
Since I recommended Gary Wilson (and I understood that Gary was not a
certified shop/repairman - nor has he ever conveyed any different impression
to me). However, the question is does that preclude him from say installing
a radio in an aircraft panel of an experimental aircraft?
Thanks
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Working on experimentals |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> You jerkin' my chain, Charlie?
>
>(You subscribed to the Federalist Patriot yet, my good man?)
>
>I regret being wrong about the experimental tinkering issue, first because I regret
being wrong in general, and second because the same good reasons for limiting
owner maintenance's scope in factory aircraft applies by all logic to experimentals.
(Some rules are actually good to have.) That's all I meant.
>
>Yes, thank God for the freedoms we do have left, and that the .gov doesn't feel
the need to protect us from every way we might hurt ourselves.
>
>-Stormy
>
Yea, I'm yankin your chain. A little, anyway. My attitude about it is
that of all the ways I can think of to make dangerous mistakes, working
on a plane is the least likely way to hurt someone who isn't a voluntary
participant. Car wrecks frequently injure or kill folks outside the car,
but how often do you hear of a plane killing anyone who's not actually
aviating or riding at the time?
Now when it comes to being wrong, I don't care how many times you've
been wrong; I'm ahead on points. ;-)
I'm trying to read the FP thing, but so far it's looking too much like
the online version of Fox News, meaning the propaganda arm of the
neocons. It's a really frightening time when anyone who exercises their
constitutional right to disagree with our government is called a
traitor. This is one of the fundamental rights our founding fathers
risked their lives to insure.
Lots more, but the wrong forum. Want to take it off-line?
Wish I could make it to Lakeland this weekend, but I'm still fighting
the grandbaby-induced cold from Christmas & don't have the energy to fly.
Charlie
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