---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/06/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane (Mike.Munn@fluor.com) 2. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane (Steve Glasgow) 3. 07:32 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/04/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com) 4. 05:49 PM - Re: Tads first (AtknBob@AOL.COM) 5. 06:43 PM - Weekend (Larry Bowen) 6. 06:47 PM - Re: Weekend (Lenleg@aol.com) 7. 07:13 PM - Re: liabilty (Dale Ensing) 8. 07:17 PM - Re: Weekend (Dale Ensing) 9. 07:19 PM - Re: Weekend (Larry Bowen) 10. 07:21 PM - liabilty-to Bob Atkinson (BOB MARTIN) 11. 07:27 PM - Re: Liability (Larry Bowen) 12. 07:32 PM - Re: Weekend (Larry Bowen) 13. 08:00 PM - Re: Tads first (Charlie England) 14. 08:10 PM - Re: liabilty-to Bob Atkinson (Ed Anderson) 15. 09:07 PM - Re: Weekend (Dale Ensing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane From: Mike.Munn@fluor.com --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Mike.Munn@fluor.com That's what tailwheels are for :>) Sent by: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@m To atronics.com 02/05/2006 08:02 PM cc Please respond to rvsoutheast-list Subject Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Not too long it's my anti-over-rotation device. Want one on your plane? > > From: "Larry Bowen" > Date: 2006/02/05 Sun PM 07:50:21 EST > To: > Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Lookin' good! > > (That rear tie-down ring look really long or about to fall out. No?) > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Radomir Zaric [mailto:vitez@carolina.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:15 PM > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane > > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Radomir Zaric" > > --> > > > > We did a quick air-to-air photo session today in bumpy air, > > but a few photos came out OK. > > > > > > > > http://www.vitez.net/tad/air/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > Radomir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:58 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" I knew that was coming. Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike.Munn@fluor.com To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Mike.Munn@fluor.com That's what tailwheels are for :>) Sent by: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@m To atronics.com 02/05/2006 08:02 PM cc Please respond to rvsoutheast-list Subject Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Not too long it's my anti-over-rotation device. Want one on your plane? > > From: "Larry Bowen" > Date: 2006/02/05 Sun PM 07:50:21 EST > To: > Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > Lookin' good! > > (That rear tie-down ring look really long or about to fall out. No?) > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Radomir Zaric [mailto:vitez@carolina.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:15 PM > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Air-to-air photos of Tad's plane > > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Radomir Zaric" > > --> > > > > We did a quick air-to-air photo session today in bumpy air, > > but a few photos came out OK. > > > > > > > > http://www.vitez.net/tad/air/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > Radomir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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If you are not the intended recipient, advise by e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:59 PM PST US From: AtknBob@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Tads first --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: AtknBob@aol.com Hello to all: My name is Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ and I have a question re: a statement I read on the Serve e-m dated 1/23, posted by Ron Awad. If I understand the statement a "builder of an aircraft (or his heirs, estate etc) has a permanent liability to any/and all future owners or passengers of said airplane", is this correct? REASON FOR ASKING: I am contemplating building an RV 7A. However, in the event of my departure from planet earth, my would want to dispose of the plane -- having no use for it herself. I don't wish to place the burden of potential liability upon her and that is what caught my attention when I read Ron Awad's e-m. Any answers and or comments would be greatly appreciated and I want to thank anyone who would take the time to respond. P S I have been eavesdropping on the Serv em for about two years and I really do enjoy hearing all of you talk about your experiences and adventures. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:47 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I think everyone was kept away from LKR last weekend due to the winds. So what is plan B for next Sunday? I'll kick things off by suggesting Stanton's, and perhaps dropping in at Phil's afterwards. Since I'm without plane, my 2 cents is worth even less these days, so if you have a better idea chime in. I'll be with Lima Lima. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:05 PM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com I am up for whatever ... would love to return to Stantons and especially Phils !! Len In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:44:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Larry@bowenaero.com writes: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I think everyone was kept away from LKR last weekend due to the winds. So what is plan B for next Sunday? I'll kick things off by suggesting Stanton's, and perhaps dropping in at Phil's afterwards. Since I'm without plane, my 2 cents is worth even less these days, so if you have a better idea chime in. I'll be with Lima Lima. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:57 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Bob Atkinson The Experimental Aircraft Association has information on how to sell a homebuilt aircraft but there is nothing that prevents any future owner/pilot/passenger from persuing the builder should something go wrong. Suggest you contact the EAA for their input. http://www.eaa.org/contactus.html However, to be totally sure of no future liability do not build the airplane. Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:02 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Larry and Len Who/where is Phil's? Dale Ensing do not archieve ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:06 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" PS - There is also the EAA 297 Midwinter Chili Feed at Stag Air Park (http://airnav.com/airport/7NC1) on Saturday, the 11th. And Dana's fly-in in KY on the 25th. Fly them hours off Tad! - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@bowenaero.com] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:43 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > --> > > I think everyone was kept away from LKR last weekend due to > the winds. So what is plan B for next Sunday? I'll kick > things off by suggesting Stanton's, and perhaps dropping in > at Phil's afterwards. Since I'm without plane, my 2 cents is > worth even less these days, so if you have a better idea > chime in. I'll be with Lima Lima. > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:55 PM PST US From: "BOB MARTIN" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty-to Bob Atkinson --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "BOB MARTIN" Bob Atkinson, You could buy one already built! Then the builders Liability would pass thru your heirs. Just an Idea......and it would get you flying much quicker. Bob Martin Yes, I bought one.......but not because of the liability factor.......I just wanted to fly!!! RV-6, Louisa VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > Bob Atkinson The Experimental Aircraft Association has information on how to sell a homebuilt aircraft but there is nothing that prevents any future owner/pilot/passenger from persuing the builder should something go wrong. Suggest you contact the EAA for their input. http://www.eaa.org/contactus.html However, to be totally sure of no future liability do not build the airplane. Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:14 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RE: Liability --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I don't think anyone has been successfully sued in the situation you suggest. RV's are a proven design. They change hands every day. EAA has info on how to minimize the risk. Check with them . Life's short. Chase your dream and build it. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: AtknBob@aol.com [mailto:AtknBob@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:48 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Tads first > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: AtknBob@aol.com > > To: RVSouthEast-List Members > > Hello to all: > > My name is Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ and I have a > question re: a statement I read on the Serve e-m dated 1/23, > posted by Ron Awad. > > If I understand the statement a "builder of an aircraft (or > his heirs, estate etc) has a permanent liability to any/and > all future owners or passengers of said airplane", is this correct? > > REASON FOR ASKING: > I am contemplating building an RV 7A. > However, in the event of my departure from planet earth, my > would want to dispose of the plane -- having no use for it herself. > I don't wish to place the burden of potential liability upon > her and that is what caught my attention when I read Ron Awad's e-m. > > Any answers and or comments would be greatly appreciated and > I want to thank anyone who would take the time to respond. > > > P S I have been eavesdropping on the Serv em for about two > years and I > really do enjoy hearing all of you talk about your > experiences and adventures. > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:35 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" 9 east of Stantons. Smoothest grass strip ever. Long and wide. 20+ timers hang out there all the time. Big barn philled (get it?) with tractors and aircraft. Our own Delta-Delta gave it the name "Phil's aerospace and tractor museum" a couple summers ago. Low pass required before landing. Good times..... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Ensing [mailto:densing@carolina.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:18 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > --> > > Larry and Len > Who/where is Phil's? > Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:00 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Tads first --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England AtknBob@aol.com wrote: >--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: AtknBob@aol.com > >To: RVSouthEast-List Members > >Hello to all: > > My name is Bob Atkinson, Lumberton, NJ and I have a question re: a >statement I read on the Serve e-m dated 1/23, posted by Ron Awad. > >If I understand the statement a "builder of an aircraft (or his heirs, >estate etc) has a permanent liability to any/and all future owners or passengers >of said airplane", is this correct? > >REASON FOR ASKING: >I am contemplating building an RV 7A. >However, in the event of my departure from planet earth, my would want to >dispose of the plane -- having no use for it herself. >I don't wish to place the burden of potential liability upon her and that is >what caught my attention when I read Ron Awad's e-m. > >Any answers and or comments would be greatly appreciated and I want to thank >anyone who would take the time to respond. > > >P S I have been eavesdropping on the Serv em for about two years and I >really do enjoy hearing all of you talk about your experiences and adventures. > > If you expect to last at least 18 years after it's registered, current law says your liability as manufacturer will end there. If you crash & damage something or someone in the meantime, you or your estate still can be sued, but the same applies to driving a car. (FWIW, the likelihood of hurting another person, other than a passenger in your plane, is pretty remote unless you have a ramp incident.) If your estate can afford to take the financial hit, you/she can scrap the plane or donate it to a museum with provision that it never be flown. Charlie ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:51 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty-to Bob Atkinson --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" Bob, You only live once (for certain {:>)). If you ever had a dream of building/flying your own aircraft, I would say go for it. See a Lawyer and put your assets in an appropriate trust (remove it from your estate) for your potential widow. Then build and fly your aircraft. I waited until I was 59 and only wish I had done it 33 years sooner when I first had the itch. That my take on it. Be prudent, but DON'T let the lawyers or threats of lawsuits (none of which I am aware have ever been successfully take against a homebuilder) take your dream. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB MARTIN" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty-to Bob Atkinson > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "BOB MARTIN" > > Bob Atkinson, > You could buy one already built! Then the builders Liability would pass > thru your heirs. > Just an Idea......and it would get you flying much quicker. > Bob Martin > Yes, I bought one.......but not because of the liability factor.......I > just wanted to fly!!! > RV-6, Louisa VA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Ensing > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: liabilty > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" > > > > Bob Atkinson > The Experimental Aircraft Association has information on how to sell a > homebuilt aircraft but there is nothing that prevents any future > owner/pilot/passenger from persuing the builder should something go > wrong. > Suggest you contact the EAA for their input. > > http://www.eaa.org/contactus.html > > However, to be totally sure of no future liability do not build the > airplane. > Dale Ensing > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:26 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Weekend --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" I wanna see Phil's! Sat. or Sunday? Dale