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1. 06:48 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/11/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
2. 06:54 AM - Hangar Wednesday? (Ed Anderson)
3. 11:17 AM - RV accident (Rad Z)
4. 11:28 AM - Re: RV accident (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
5. 12:13 PM - Re: RV accident (Steve Glasgow)
6. 12:57 PM - Re: RV accident (Ed Anderson)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: RV accident (Ed Anderson)
8. 04:29 PM - RV Down (Larry Bowen)
9. 05:10 PM - Re: RV Down (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
10. 06:49 PM - Spectulation : RV Down (Ed Anderson)
11. 08:39 PM - Re: Spectulation : RV Down (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
12. 09:10 PM - Re: Spectulation : RV Down (Ed Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/11/06 |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
Plantation Airpark is near Sylvania, Georgia; north on Highway 21 3-4 miles
past Newington and just prior to Sylvania. There is a sign indicating
where to turn left to get to the airport. Very quiet little county
airport, but one of the FBO's there does a ton of aircraft painting
business.
See: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KJYL
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Hangar Wednesday? |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Folks,
Well, called the freight company this AM to find out what no hangar. Apparently
they did not get part of a shipment loaded that they had expected - so the truck
never left Canada!!. When asked why didn't anyone call, I got a song and
dance about the building manufacture giving them the wrong phone number - guy
I was talking to wasn't too swift since I had also given personally given him
the phone numbers as well - hard to believe he would have gotten both phone
numbers wrong from two sources {:>)
In any case, it looks like Wednesday would be the earliest the hangar will get
here. I've postponed delivery of the scaffolding until Friday, so that will give
me a weekend and the rest of next week to get it up.
So continue on with continuing on{:>) and thanks again.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Anyone has any details of happened near Miller
airpark? Looks like an RV flipped over... Hope
everyone's OK.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/7961605/detail.html#
Radomir
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Looks like that is Steve Vanhoy's RV-6A. He lives at Miller Airpark. The
runway there is pretty smooth, but is grass. Just just there about 2 months
ago with a large crowd that was there to see the RV-4 he has in his hangar
for sale and his 6 was for sale as well. I ended up buying a camper trailer
from him that I saw in his hangar that day.
don't know for sure if it is him or not. I will send him a email.
Ron Awad
>From: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV accident
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:16:23 -0800 (PST)
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>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
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>Folks,
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>Anyone has any details of happened near Miller
>airpark? Looks like an RV flipped over... Hope
>everyone's OK.
>
>http://www.wsoctv.com/news/7961605/detail.html#
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>
>Radomir
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http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Confirmed Steve Vanhoy's RV-6A. No other details.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Rad Z
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV accident
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Anyone has any details of happened near Miller
airpark? Looks like an RV flipped over... Hope
everyone's OK.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/7961605/detail.html#
Radomir
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Flaps look to be full down, so would appear to be a landing incident. But,
then I have taken off with full flaps a time or two also. Certainly looks
like a survivable incident - hope no one was injured.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV accident
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
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> Confirmed Steve Vanhoy's RV-6A. No other details.
>
> Cappy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rad Z
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:16 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV accident
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> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
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> Folks,
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> Anyone has any details of happened near Miller
> airpark? Looks like an RV flipped over... Hope
> everyone's OK.
>
> http://www.wsoctv.com/news/7961605/detail.html#
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> Radomir
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Appears to be some tire marks or some disturbance of the ground in front to
the nose - almost looks muddy. Main gear looks Ok, but nose gear appears to
have some damage.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rad Z" <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV accident
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> Anyone has any details of happened near Miller
> airpark? Looks like an RV flipped over... Hope
> everyone's OK.
>
> http://www.wsoctv.com/news/7961605/detail.html#
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> Radomir
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
More news on S.V.
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
In was a tricycle gear RV-6.... On a grass strip...
Ron Awad
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>More news on S.V.
>
>http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
>
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>--
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
It appears to me that the RV-6A was landing (note the flaps full down) on a
grass strip that was soft from recent rains (note what appears to be muddy
tracks off the nose). Could be a case of the Nose wheel digs into the
soft soil and over she goes. No apparent damage to the main gear wheels, but
looks like damage to the nose gear. Doesn't appear to be any slide marks
after she flipped, so would bet there was just enough energy to tip her up
on her nose and over on her tail. Apparently no injury to the pilot as well
which indicates a low energy condition when she went over.
In my opinion, the small nose wheel on the RV-6A makes soft field take off
and landing an important technique that needs to be practiced. Taking off,
soft field, is fairly straight-forward with the stick back to your belly
button and partial flaps does a good job of keeping weight off the nose gear
and the prop sucks you into the air fairly quickly and easily.
But, landing under soft field conditions in a 6A requires a bit more
finesse. Need to keep a bit of power on with the nose elevated and drag it
in on the prop, letting the main gear touch, get the flaps off and keep the
nose up (with power as necessary) until you believe you are at a reasonably
firm place and slow enough to let that small nose gear gentle touch down.
I find that if I come in full-flaps and just as I flair add power so I have
approx 1300-1500 Prop rpm it will keep the nose up and off but won't provide
enough power to get me flying again. Needless to say on a short runway
this is difficult to execute - and how many of us practice doing that?.
I experienced an interesting soft field take off with my RV-6A on my way to
Texas. I I found that with the power/weight ratio, my RV-6A had only a
little problem accelerating (it was a bit slower). However, there was more
problem from the hydroplaning on the very soggy grass and trying to maintain
control at slower speeds with just the rudder as differential braking was
non-existant.
I resolved to practice such things more. However, somehow,I have not
manage to get it on the agenda as yet {:>).
its great to hear the pilot was uninjured - airplanes can be fixed.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
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> In was a tricycle gear RV-6.... On a grass strip...
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> Ron Awad
>
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>>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0500 (EST)
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>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>><Larry@BowenAero.com>
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>>More news on S.V.
>>
>>http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
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>>--
>>Larry Bowen
>>Larry@BowenAero.com
>>http://BowenAero.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
I flew Randy Pinkstons new RV-7A last weekend and I really don't think it
was measurably easier to takeoff or land than a taildragger. I don't see
much advantage to the nose wheel and not after seeing this flip over and
reading about all the flips overs discussed on the Vans Airforce Forum.
But to each his own..... :)
Ron Awad
>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:46:20 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> It appears to me that the RV-6A was landing (note the flaps full down) on
>a
>grass strip that was soft from recent rains (note what appears to be muddy
>tracks off the nose). Could be a case of the Nose wheel digs into the
>soft soil and over she goes. No apparent damage to the main gear wheels,
>but
>looks like damage to the nose gear. Doesn't appear to be any slide marks
>after she flipped, so would bet there was just enough energy to tip her up
>on her nose and over on her tail. Apparently no injury to the pilot as
>well
>which indicates a low energy condition when she went over.
>
>In my opinion, the small nose wheel on the RV-6A makes soft field take off
>and landing an important technique that needs to be practiced. Taking off,
>soft field, is fairly straight-forward with the stick back to your belly
>button and partial flaps does a good job of keeping weight off the nose
>gear
>and the prop sucks you into the air fairly quickly and easily.
>
>But, landing under soft field conditions in a 6A requires a bit more
>finesse. Need to keep a bit of power on with the nose elevated and drag it
>in on the prop, letting the main gear touch, get the flaps off and keep
>the
>nose up (with power as necessary) until you believe you are at a reasonably
>firm place and slow enough to let that small nose gear gentle touch down.
>I find that if I come in full-flaps and just as I flair add power so I have
>approx 1300-1500 Prop rpm it will keep the nose up and off but won't
>provide
>enough power to get me flying again. Needless to say on a short runway
>this is difficult to execute - and how many of us practice doing that?.
>
>I experienced an interesting soft field take off with my RV-6A on my way
>to
>Texas. I I found that with the power/weight ratio, my RV-6A had only a
>little problem accelerating (it was a bit slower). However, there was more
>problem from the hydroplaning on the very soggy grass and trying to
>maintain
>control at slower speeds with just the rudder as differential braking was
>non-existant.
>
> I resolved to practice such things more. However, somehow,I have not
>manage to get it on the agenda as yet {:>).
>
> its great to hear the pilot was uninjured - airplanes can be fixed.
>
>Ed
>
>Ed Anderson
>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>Matthews, NC
>eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:09 PM
>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> > <sawad13@msn.com>
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> >>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> >>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> >>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0500 (EST)
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> >>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> >><Larry@BowenAero.com>
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> >>More news on S.V.
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> >>http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
You're right, Ron. Each has benefits and drawbacks. But, don't think a
tail dragger can't be put up on its nose as well or fold a gear from not
correcting for a cross wind. My opinion is the tail dragger is more at risk
of going up on its nose on a concrete strip and a nose wheel more likely on
a soft grass strip. Having flown both types, the nose wheel (in my opinion)
makes landing in a hairy cross wind a bit easier, the tail dragger the
better for grass or rough strips.
If you land an RV like you should, your right, you should really not notice
any difference (as you discovered) between the nose gear and tail wheel
until you stop (and the tail isn't down {:>)).
Again, just my opinion and as the man said - everybody has one.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:35 PM
Subject: RE: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> <sawad13@msn.com>
>
> I flew Randy Pinkstons new RV-7A last weekend and I really don't think it
> was measurably easier to takeoff or land than a taildragger. I don't see
> much advantage to the nose wheel and not after seeing this flip over and
> reading about all the flips overs discussed on the Vans Airforce Forum.
>
> But to each his own..... :)
>
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> Ron Awad
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>>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:46:20 -0500
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>>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
>><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> It appears to me that the RV-6A was landing (note the flaps full down)
>> on
>>a
>>grass strip that was soft from recent rains (note what appears to be muddy
>>tracks off the nose). Could be a case of the Nose wheel digs into the
>>soft soil and over she goes. No apparent damage to the main gear wheels,
>>but
>>looks like damage to the nose gear. Doesn't appear to be any slide marks
>>after she flipped, so would bet there was just enough energy to tip her up
>>on her nose and over on her tail. Apparently no injury to the pilot as
>>well
>>which indicates a low energy condition when she went over.
>>
>>In my opinion, the small nose wheel on the RV-6A makes soft field take off
>>and landing an important technique that needs to be practiced. Taking
>>off,
>>soft field, is fairly straight-forward with the stick back to your belly
>>button and partial flaps does a good job of keeping weight off the nose
>>gear
>>and the prop sucks you into the air fairly quickly and easily.
>>
>>But, landing under soft field conditions in a 6A requires a bit more
>>finesse. Need to keep a bit of power on with the nose elevated and drag
>>it
>>in on the prop, letting the main gear touch, get the flaps off and keep
>>the
>>nose up (with power as necessary) until you believe you are at a
>>reasonably
>>firm place and slow enough to let that small nose gear gentle touch down.
>>I find that if I come in full-flaps and just as I flair add power so I
>>have
>>approx 1300-1500 Prop rpm it will keep the nose up and off but won't
>>provide
>>enough power to get me flying again. Needless to say on a short runway
>>this is difficult to execute - and how many of us practice doing that?.
>>
>>I experienced an interesting soft field take off with my RV-6A on my way
>>to
>>Texas. I I found that with the power/weight ratio, my RV-6A had only a
>>little problem accelerating (it was a bit slower). However, there was
>>more
>>problem from the hydroplaning on the very soggy grass and trying to
>>maintain
>>control at slower speeds with just the rudder as differential braking was
>>non-existant.
>>
>> I resolved to practice such things more. However, somehow,I have not
>>manage to get it on the agenda as yet {:>).
>>
>> its great to hear the pilot was uninjured - airplanes can be fixed.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>Ed Anderson
>>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>>Matthews, NC
>>eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:09 PM
>>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
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>> >>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>> >>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> >>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>> >>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0500 (EST)
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>> >>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>> >><Larry@BowenAero.com>
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>> >>More news on S.V.
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>> >>http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
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>> >>Larry Bowen
>> >>Larry@BowenAero.com
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