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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Spectulation : RV Down (Ron and Shannon AWAD)
2. 07:49 AM - Possible Fly in (Lenleg@aol.com)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Possible Fly in (Bart Filipiak)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Possible Fly in (Mike.Munn@fluor.com)
5. 08:40 AM - Sat @ AVL (Larry Bowen)
6. 08:58 AM - Re: Possible Fly in (sportav8r@aol.com)
7. 05:14 PM - Re: Possible Fly in (Charlie England)
8. 08:05 PM - Palmetto Air Plantation (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
9. 08:19 PM - Re: RV (Larry Bowen)
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
I have flown Cessna Tricycle gear airplanes and they were super easy to
takeoff and land with. I guess I had expected Randys plane to have that same
feel since it too had tri gear.... But it felt just like a taildragger in
needed inputs to keep her straight.
Ron Awad
>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:07:04 -0500
>
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
>You're right, Ron. Each has benefits and drawbacks. But, don't think a
>tail dragger can't be put up on its nose as well or fold a gear from not
>correcting for a cross wind. My opinion is the tail dragger is more at
>risk
>of going up on its nose on a concrete strip and a nose wheel more likely on
>a soft grass strip. Having flown both types, the nose wheel (in my
>opinion)
>makes landing in a hairy cross wind a bit easier, the tail dragger the
>better for grass or rough strips.
>
>If you land an RV like you should, your right, you should really not notice
>any difference (as you discovered) between the nose gear and tail wheel
>until you stop (and the tail isn't down {:>)).
>
>Again, just my opinion and as the man said - everybody has one.
>
>Ed
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:35 PM
>Subject: RE: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
>
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> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> > <sawad13@msn.com>
> >
> > I flew Randy Pinkstons new RV-7A last weekend and I really don't think
>it
> > was measurably easier to takeoff or land than a taildragger. I don't see
> > much advantage to the nose wheel and not after seeing this flip over and
> > reading about all the flips overs discussed on the Vans Airforce Forum.
> >
> > But to each his own..... :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Awad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Spectulation : RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> >>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:46:20 -0500
> >>
> >>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
> >><eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >>
> >> It appears to me that the RV-6A was landing (note the flaps full down)
> >> on
> >>a
> >>grass strip that was soft from recent rains (note what appears to be
>muddy
> >>tracks off the nose). Could be a case of the Nose wheel digs into the
> >>soft soil and over she goes. No apparent damage to the main gear wheels,
> >>but
> >>looks like damage to the nose gear. Doesn't appear to be any slide
>marks
> >>after she flipped, so would bet there was just enough energy to tip her
>up
> >>on her nose and over on her tail. Apparently no injury to the pilot as
> >>well
> >>which indicates a low energy condition when she went over.
> >>
> >>In my opinion, the small nose wheel on the RV-6A makes soft field take
>off
> >>and landing an important technique that needs to be practiced. Taking
> >>off,
> >>soft field, is fairly straight-forward with the stick back to your
>belly
> >>button and partial flaps does a good job of keeping weight off the nose
> >>gear
> >>and the prop sucks you into the air fairly quickly and easily.
> >>
> >>But, landing under soft field conditions in a 6A requires a bit more
> >>finesse. Need to keep a bit of power on with the nose elevated and drag
> >>it
> >>in on the prop, letting the main gear touch, get the flaps off and keep
> >>the
> >>nose up (with power as necessary) until you believe you are at a
> >>reasonably
> >>firm place and slow enough to let that small nose gear gentle touch
>down.
> >>I find that if I come in full-flaps and just as I flair add power so I
> >>have
> >>approx 1300-1500 Prop rpm it will keep the nose up and off but won't
> >>provide
> >>enough power to get me flying again. Needless to say on a short
>runway
> >>this is difficult to execute - and how many of us practice doing
>that?.
> >>
> >>I experienced an interesting soft field take off with my RV-6A on my
>way
> >>to
> >>Texas. I I found that with the power/weight ratio, my RV-6A had only a
> >>little problem accelerating (it was a bit slower). However, there was
> >>more
> >>problem from the hydroplaning on the very soggy grass and trying to
> >>maintain
> >>control at slower speeds with just the rudder as differential braking
>was
> >>non-existant.
> >>
> >> I resolved to practice such things more. However, somehow,I have not
> >>manage to get it on the agenda as yet {:>).
> >>
> >> its great to hear the pilot was uninjured - airplanes can be fixed.
> >>
> >>Ed
> >>
> >>Ed Anderson
> >>Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >>Matthews, NC
> >>eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Ron and Shannon AWAD" <sawad13@msn.com>
> >>To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:09 PM
> >>Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ron and Shannon AWAD"
> >> > <sawad13@msn.com>
> >> >
> >> > In was a tricycle gear RV-6.... On a grass strip...
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > Ron Awad
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> >> >>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> >> >>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> >> >>Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Down
> >> >>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0500 (EST)
> >> >>
> >> >>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> >> >><Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>More news on S.V.
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> >>
> >>http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/14088808.htm
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> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Larry Bowen
> >> >>Larry@BowenAero.com
> >> >>http://BowenAero.com
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
SERV:
I have been talking to a few SERV members about having a fly in / drive in
around the Winston/Greensobro area .... Larry Bowen and I would try to put on.
Most of our get togethers now involve flying to destinations ... we started
as a builders group with no flying planes ... this could give the local
builders a chance to see lots of RVs and get some deals too !!
Thoughts behind it would be a "Fly Market" type approach where you could buy
or sell all those left over parts or instruments ....we could set up display
tables, etc and have builders from all around come in to either buy or sell.
I know I have enough extra items to build another plane ....
Would love to get some feedback and gauge interest ??
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Fly in |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak@yahoo.com>
I'm a builder about an hour from the Winston -
Greensboro area, working on wings for an 8.
Definitely interested!
Bart
--- Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> Lenleg@aol.com
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> SERV:
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> I have been talking to a few SERV members about
> having a fly in / drive in
> around the Winston/Greensobro area .... Larry Bowen
> and I would try to put on.
> Most of our get togethers now involve flying to
> destinations ... we started
> as a builders group with no flying planes ... this
> could give the local
> builders a chance to see lots of RVs and get some
> deals too !!
>
> Thoughts behind it would be a "Fly Market" type
> approach where you could buy
> or sell all those left over parts or instruments
> ....we could set up display
> tables, etc and have builders from all around come
> in to either buy or sell.
> I know I have enough extra items to build another
> plane ....
>
> Would love to get some feedback and gauge interest
> ??
>
> Len
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Fly in |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Mike.Munn@fluor.com
Sound like a great idea. I would be interested. I'm sure I could scrounge
up a few items to get rid of.
Sounds like the 1st annual SERV fly-in, drive-in, flea market.
Mike
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
SERV:
I have been talking to a few SERV members about having a fly in / drive in
around the Winston/Greensobro area .... Larry Bowen and I would try to put
on.
Most of our get togethers now involve flying to destinations ... we
started
as a builders group with no flying planes ... this could give the local
builders a chance to see lots of RVs and get some deals too !!
Thoughts behind it would be a "Fly Market" type approach where you could
buy
or sell all those left over parts or instruments ....we could set up
display
tables, etc and have builders from all around come in to either buy or
sell.
I know I have enough extra items to build another plane ....
Would love to get some feedback and gauge interest ??
Len
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Cc: wingleader@carolina.rr.com
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
SERV'ers -
I spoke with Ed H. about the BBQ lunch at AVL this Saturday. He said
eager folks can come about 11:00 and kick tires or whatever. We'll head
across the street about 12:30 for BBQ. Best parking is mid-ramp, between
the termial and the MillionAir FBO. The tower is aware of what's going on
and can provide directions if needed.
Also, If anyone has a seat available, RV-6A builder Don H. is scrounging
for a ride from RUQ or near-by. If you can help, contact him directly:
wingleader@carolina.rr.com
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Fly in |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
I'm always looking for chances to get together with my SERV friends. Let's do
it.
On that note, I think it might be best to accomodate Wayne's call schedule and
set the Stormy's event for June 24. I'm determined not to give that rascal any
more excuses ;-)
-BB
PS: consider that an official date change. I'll notify MARV ond OVRV as well of
the new date.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenleg@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:47:33 EST
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Possible Fly in
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
SERV:
I have been talking to a few SERV members about having a fly in / drive in
around the Winston/Greensobro area .... Larry Bowen and I would try to put on.
Most of our get togethers now involve flying to destinations ... we started
as a builders group with no flying planes ... this could give the local
builders a chance to see lots of RVs and get some deals too !!
Thoughts behind it would be a "Fly Market" type approach where you could buy
or sell all those left over parts or instruments ....we could set up display
tables, etc and have builders from all around come in to either buy or sell.
I know I have enough extra items to build another plane ....
Would love to get some feedback and gauge interest ??
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Possible Fly in |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
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>SERV:
>
>I have been talking to a few SERV members about having a fly in / drive in
>around the Winston/Greensobro area .... Larry Bowen and I would try to put on.
> Most of our get togethers now involve flying to destinations ... we started
>as a builders group with no flying planes ... this could give the local
>builders a chance to see lots of RVs and get some deals too !!
>
>Thoughts behind it would be a "Fly Market" type approach where you could buy
>or sell all those left over parts or instruments ....we could set up display
>tables, etc and have builders from all around come in to either buy or sell.
> I know I have enough extra items to build another plane ....
>
>Would love to get some feedback and gauge interest ??
>
>Len
>
Maybe I can help with picking a date. I'll be in Highpoint the weekends
of 4-15/16 & 22/23 (hint, hint...)
:-)
Charlie
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| Subject: | Palmetto Air Plantation |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
Howdy y'all SCians!
A friend of mine has been hunting for a retirement locale for hisself and
spouse, and a hangar for his not-so-retired airplane. They recently visited
Palmetto Air Plantation and report favorably on its potential- any of y'all
familiar with the neighborhood and would like to offer some insider info on this
airpark?
Thanks!
Mark - do not archive
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Cc: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I'm glad you are ok. I never would have guessed that a bunny could take out
an RV!! Sorry for the misfortune, but the most important thing is you
walked away! Hang in there. I'll copy the RV group.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve [mailto:pacer20@alltel.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: Larry Bowen
> Subject: RE: RV
>
> Thanks Larry I am ok and back home after one night in the
> hospital. I am ok bruised and sore with one major cut to my forehead.
>
> The aircraft is probably totaled. The unbelievable part on
> the hold thing is the way it happens.
>
> I was landing north at miller the wind was 230at 8 we skipped
> just a little on touchdown and was holding the nose up and
> started to run out of elevator as the nose continue to drop.
> The prop made contact with the grass and I went upside down.
> Now the unbelievable part a rabbit was found (dead and
> Mangle) just before the nose gear started to cut a small
> trench in the dirt.
> It is felt by other pilots and the FAA that the rabbit was
> hit by the nose wheel which led to the nose wheel turning and
> folding. The nose gear leg did not break.
>
> You might pass this on to the rv group for me
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry@BowenAero.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:11 PM
> To: 'steve'
> Subject: RV
>
> You OK? Let me know if we can help with something...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
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