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| Subject: | Re: Water in Gasoline |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
Stormy dude..adding my 2 cents worth from the peanut
gallery. Had a vapor lock yrs. ago on 100LL in a
turbo Arrow. Especially suseptable if you made a stop
on x-c trip on hot days as fuel lines cook while
sitting, so its not only mogas. also, suggest you
limit mogas storage to 6 mos. max as it turns to
varnish if it sits too long. our gas supplier friends
turn it over so fast it never matters.
RenoRed.(formerly)
--- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> I've had occasional hard starts and stumbles from
> vapor lock, but only when doing a quick-turn at high
> altitude airports (always when I stop to pee at
> KHSP, 3760 MSL). Never at any other time, and yes,
> only on mogas. Never found any water in tanks
> beyond 1-2 drops after washing the plane. Now with
> new Andair locking gas caps, even that is gone. No
> gascolator.
>
> I did the yellow gas-blue gas switcheroo thing for
> years, until long experience raised my comfort level
> to the point I just quit buying avgas except on the
> road (airport mogas is never hi-test :-(
>
> I do try to inventory-load as much mogas during the
> summer as I can for winter use, but not sure it
> makes much practical difference in the blends we see
> around here.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:30:26 EDT
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
>
>
> In a message dated 06/07/2006 8:44:31 PM Central
> Daylight Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes:
> Why save all that money and gain additional
> water-tolerance safety margin as well? Who'd want
> to do that?
> >>
> Aw, c'mon, stormy- it's an AVIATION thing- yer
> $'posed to $pend more- and be$ides, $omebody'$ gotta
> pay for all tho$e fat bonu$u$ and
> $everence/retirement package$ tho$e fuel mogul$
> "earned"!
>
> (but seariously now...)
>
> Mojo ran on pure, unadulterated mogas from the local
> Kroger (remember the $.03 discount?) until her first
> September (80 hrs?) when I gave another builder his
> first ride in my plane. Three seconds into the
> takeoff roll and the engine went from a roar to a
> whimper. BH is cool and we taxi back. Multiple
> retries on the ramp with same result. Added 10
> gallons 100LL to left tank with no change. Then
> cowl yanked, flow to carb checked, then taken apart
> til I was holding a perfectly Marvelous and
> Sheblerious float in my hand. No obvious squawks.
> Re-assembly and all is perfect again. Got her back
> to new home at SYI under cover of dark from 11.5K'
> and investigation started. Theory is that gas
> distributor is switching from summer to winter
> blends and someone screwed up the mix. Vapor
> pressure wrong BIG time and fuel boiling in bowl or
> main jet. Until convinced otherwise, I'm stickin'
> to this story.
>
> Just because I am adverse to puckerfakter, nowadays
> one tank carries the blue stuff and the other still
> gets the cruisin' Kroger, sans discount 8-( and
> t/o & landings always on blue tank. No problems
> since. Don't know if Kroger is better now, and
> don't wanna find out.
>
> Oh yeah- a few tiny droplets of aitch-too-oh in
> Kroger tank occasionally, easily removed at
> sumptime. No gascolator and nothing but runs & hits
> (no errors) since. But be advised- No Kroger EVER
> goes into Mojo without passing the superfunnel test!
> See:
>
>
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1419/index.html
>
> Another of those BE$T DOLLAR$ $PENT thangs....
>
> Mark Phillips N51PW E3D, 150hp fire-breathing
> Lycosoar, too broke buying mogas to get a vapor
> tester.................
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
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| Subject: | Re: Water in Gasoline |
Reno-
I think the longest I've ever kept gas in storage is about 9 months, at least for
airplane use. I've stored lawnmower gas so long it did indeed go visibly and
functionally "bad." After 9 months in my hangar tanks, the mogas looked fine
and indeed performed flawlessly in the plane, but what can I really tell just
by looking at the stuff? Not much. I agree it's a gamble to exceed 6 months,
as you and others have suggested. There's no way to tell its voilatility,
antiknock properties or even its closeness to gum formation by just eyeballing
it following 9 months in storage, that I know of.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
Stormy dude..adding my 2 cents worth from the peanut
gallery. Had a vapor lock yrs. ago on 100LL in a
turbo Arrow. Especially suseptable if you made a stop
on x-c trip on hot days as fuel lines cook while
sitting, so its not only mogas. also, suggest you
limit mogas storage to 6 mos. max as it turns to
varnish if it sits too long. our gas supplier friends
turn it over so fast it never matters.
RenoRed.(formerly)
--- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> I've had occasional hard starts and stumbles from
> vapor lock, but only when doing a quick-turn at high
> altitude airports (always when I stop to pee at
> KHSP, 3760 MSL). Never at any other time, and yes,
> only on mogas. Never found any water in tanks
> beyond 1-2 drops after washing the plane. Now with
> new Andair locking gas caps, even that is gone. No
> gascolator.
>
> I did the yellow gas-blue gas switcheroo thing for
> years, until long experience raised my comfort level
> to the point I just quit buying avgas except on the
> road (airport mogas is never hi-test :-(
>
> I do try to inventory-load as much mogas during the
> summer as I can for winter use, but not sure it
> makes much practical difference in the blends we see
> around here.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:30:26 EDT
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
>
>
> In a message dated 06/07/2006 8:44:31 PM Central
> Daylight Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes:
> Why save all that money and gain additional
> water-tolerance safety margin as well? Who'd want
> to do that?
> >>
> Aw, c'mon, stormy- it's an AVIATION thing- yer
> $'posed to $pend more- and be$ides, $omebody'$ gotta
> pay for all tho$e fat bonu$u$ and
> $everence/retirement package$ tho$e fuel mogul$
> "earned"!
>
> (but seariously now...)
>
> Mojo ran on pure, unadulterated mogas from the local
> Kroger (remember the $.03 discount?) until her first
> September (80 hrs?) when I gave another builder his
> first ride in my plane. Three seconds into the
> takeoff roll and the engine went from a roar to a
> whimper. BH is cool and we taxi back. Multiple
> retries on the ramp with same result. Added 10
> gallons 100LL to left tank with no change. Then
> cowl yanked, flow to carb checked, then taken apart
> til I was holding a perfectly Marvelous and
> Sheblerious float in my hand. No obvious squawks.
> Re-assembly and all is perfect again. Got her back
> to new home at SYI under cover of dark from 11.5K'
> and investigation started. Theory is that gas
> distributor is switching from summer to winter
> blends and someone screwed up the mix. Vapor
> pressure wrong BIG time and fuel boiling in bowl or
> main jet. Until convinced otherwise, I'm stickin'
> to this story.
>
> Just because I am adverse to puckerfakter, nowadays
> one tank carries the blue stuff and the other still
> gets the cruisin' Kroger, sans discount 8-( and
> t/o & landings always on blue tank. No problems
> since. Don't know if Kroger is better now, and
> don't wanna find out.
>
> Oh yeah- a few tiny droplets of aitch-too-oh in
> Kroger tank occasionally, easily removed at
> sumptime. No gascolator and nothing but runs & hits
> (no errors) since. But be advised- No Kroger EVER
> goes into Mojo without passing the superfunnel test!
> See:
>
>
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1419/index.html
>
> Another of those BE$T DOLLAR$ $PENT thangs....
>
> Mark Phillips N51PW E3D, 150hp fire-breathing
> Lycosoar, too broke buying mogas to get a vapor
> tester.................
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
> Always Free.
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Water in Gasoline |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
just add some every month or so and it stays 'fresher'
like the oil companies do. you can't see it convert
to varnish, but its happening.
--- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> Reno-
>
> I think the longest I've ever kept gas in storage is
> about 9 months, at least for airplane use. I've
> stored lawnmower gas so long it did indeed go
> visibly and functionally "bad." After 9 months in my
> hangar tanks, the mogas looked fine and indeed
> performed flawlessly in the plane, but what can I
> really tell just by looking at the stuff? Not much.
> I agree it's a gamble to exceed 6 months, as you
> and others have suggested. There's no way to tell
> its voilatility, antiknock properties or even its
> closeness to gum formation by just eyeballing it
> following 9 months in storage, that I know of.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill
> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> Stormy dude..adding my 2 cents worth from the peanut
> gallery. Had a vapor lock yrs. ago on 100LL in a
> turbo Arrow. Especially suseptable if you made a
> stop
> on x-c trip on hot days as fuel lines cook while
> sitting, so its not only mogas. also, suggest you
> limit mogas storage to 6 mos. max as it turns to
> varnish if it sits too long. our gas supplier
> friends
> turn it over so fast it never matters.
> RenoRed.(formerly)
>
> --- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I've had occasional hard starts and stumbles from
> > vapor lock, but only when doing a quick-turn at
> high
> > altitude airports (always when I stop to pee at
> > KHSP, 3760 MSL). Never at any other time, and
> yes,
> > only on mogas. Never found any water in tanks
> > beyond 1-2 drops after washing the plane. Now
> with
> > new Andair locking gas caps, even that is gone.
> No
> > gascolator.
> >
> > I did the yellow gas-blue gas switcheroo thing for
> > years, until long experience raised my comfort
> level
> > to the point I just quit buying avgas except on
> the
> > road (airport mogas is never hi-test :-(
> >
> > I do try to inventory-load as much mogas during
> the
> > summer as I can for winter use, but not sure it
> > makes much practical difference in the blends we
> see
> > around here.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:30:26 EDT
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 06/07/2006 8:44:31 PM Central
> > Daylight Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes:
> > Why save all that money and gain additional
> > water-tolerance safety margin as well? Who'd want
> > to do that?
> > >>
> > Aw, c'mon, stormy- it's an AVIATION thing- yer
> > $'posed to $pend more- and be$ides, $omebody'$
> gotta
> > pay for all tho$e fat bonu$u$ and
> > $everence/retirement package$ tho$e fuel mogul$
> > "earned"!
> >
> > (but seariously now...)
> >
> > Mojo ran on pure, unadulterated mogas from the
> local
> > Kroger (remember the $.03 discount?) until her
> first
> > September (80 hrs?) when I gave another builder
> his
> > first ride in my plane. Three seconds into the
> > takeoff roll and the engine went from a roar to a
> > whimper. BH is cool and we taxi back. Multiple
> > retries on the ramp with same result. Added 10
> > gallons 100LL to left tank with no change. Then
> > cowl yanked, flow to carb checked, then taken
> apart
> > til I was holding a perfectly Marvelous and
> > Sheblerious float in my hand. No obvious squawks.
>
> > Re-assembly and all is perfect again. Got her
> back
> > to new home at SYI under cover of dark from 11.5K'
> > and investigation started. Theory is that gas
> > distributor is switching from summer to winter
> > blends and someone screwed up the mix. Vapor
> > pressure wrong BIG time and fuel boiling in bowl
> or
> > main jet. Until convinced otherwise, I'm stickin'
> > to this story.
> >
> > Just because I am adverse to puckerfakter,
> nowadays
> > one tank carries the blue stuff and the other
> still
> > gets the cruisin' Kroger, sans discount 8-( and
> > t/o & landings always on blue tank. No problems
> > since. Don't know if Kroger is better now, and
> > don't wanna find out.
> >
> > Oh yeah- a few tiny droplets of aitch-too-oh in
> > Kroger tank occasionally, easily removed at
> > sumptime. No gascolator and nothing but runs &
> hits
> > (no errors) since. But be advised- No Kroger EVER
> > goes into Mojo without passing the superfunnel
> test!
> > See:
> >
> >
>
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1419/index.html
> >
> > Another of those BE$T DOLLAR$ $PENT thangs....
> >
> > Mark Phillips N51PW E3D, 150hp fire-breathing
> > Lycosoar, too broke buying mogas to get a vapor
> > tester.................
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
> > Always Free.
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
> Always Free.
>
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| Subject: | Water in Gasoline |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Some years ago either the EAA's or AOPA's publication had a very good
article on avfuel vs. mogas. The biggest takeaway was that avfuel has a
shelf life of 2 years while mogas is good for one year.
Thus I no longer "winterize" my lawnmower or other equipment and haven't
had any issues with them.
Just another $.02 worth.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
crothers
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill crothers
--> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
just add some every month or so and it stays 'fresher'
like the oil companies do. you can't see it convert
to varnish, but its happening.
--- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
> Reno-
>
> I think the longest I've ever kept gas in storage is
> about 9 months, at least for airplane use. I've
> stored lawnmower gas so long it did indeed go
> visibly and functionally "bad." After 9 months in my
> hangar tanks, the mogas looked fine and indeed
> performed flawlessly in the plane, but what can I
> really tell just by looking at the stuff? Not much.
> I agree it's a gamble to exceed 6 months, as you
> and others have suggested. There's no way to tell
> its voilatility, antiknock properties or even its
> closeness to gum formation by just eyeballing it
> following 9 months in storage, that I know of.
>
> -Stormy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill
> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> Stormy dude..adding my 2 cents worth from the peanut
> gallery. Had a vapor lock yrs. ago on 100LL in a
> turbo Arrow. Especially suseptable if you made a
> stop
> on x-c trip on hot days as fuel lines cook while
> sitting, so its not only mogas. also, suggest you
> limit mogas storage to 6 mos. max as it turns to
> varnish if it sits too long. our gas supplier
> friends
> turn it over so fast it never matters.
> RenoRed.(formerly)
>
> --- sportav8r@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I've had occasional hard starts and stumbles from
> > vapor lock, but only when doing a quick-turn at
> high
> > altitude airports (always when I stop to pee at
> > KHSP, 3760 MSL). Never at any other time, and
> yes,
> > only on mogas. Never found any water in tanks
> > beyond 1-2 drops after washing the plane. Now
> with
> > new Andair locking gas caps, even that is gone.
> No
> > gascolator.
> >
> > I did the yellow gas-blue gas switcheroo thing for
> > years, until long experience raised my comfort
> level
> > to the point I just quit buying avgas except on
> the
> > road (airport mogas is never hi-test :-(
> >
> > I do try to inventory-load as much mogas during
> the
> > summer as I can for winter use, but not sure it
> > makes much practical difference in the blends we
> see
> > around here.
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:30:26 EDT
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Water in Gasoline
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 06/07/2006 8:44:31 PM Central
> > Daylight Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes:
> > Why save all that money and gain additional
> > water-tolerance safety margin as well? Who'd want
> > to do that?
> > >>
> > Aw, c'mon, stormy- it's an AVIATION thing- yer
> > $'posed to $pend more- and be$ides, $omebody'$
> gotta
> > pay for all tho$e fat bonu$u$ and
> > $everence/retirement package$ tho$e fuel mogul$
> > "earned"!
> >
> > (but seariously now...)
> >
> > Mojo ran on pure, unadulterated mogas from the
> local
> > Kroger (remember the $.03 discount?) until her
> first
> > September (80 hrs?) when I gave another builder
> his
> > first ride in my plane. Three seconds into the
> > takeoff roll and the engine went from a roar to a
> > whimper. BH is cool and we taxi back. Multiple
> > retries on the ramp with same result. Added 10
> > gallons 100LL to left tank with no change. Then
> > cowl yanked, flow to carb checked, then taken
> apart
> > til I was holding a perfectly Marvelous and
> > Sheblerious float in my hand. No obvious squawks.
>
> > Re-assembly and all is perfect again. Got her
> back
> > to new home at SYI under cover of dark from 11.5K'
> > and investigation started. Theory is that gas
> > distributor is switching from summer to winter
> > blends and someone screwed up the mix. Vapor
> > pressure wrong BIG time and fuel boiling in bowl
> or
> > main jet. Until convinced otherwise, I'm stickin'
> > to this story.
> >
> > Just because I am adverse to puckerfakter,
> nowadays
> > one tank carries the blue stuff and the other
> still
> > gets the cruisin' Kroger, sans discount 8-( and
> > t/o & landings always on blue tank. No problems
> > since. Don't know if Kroger is better now, and
> > don't wanna find out.
> >
> > Oh yeah- a few tiny droplets of aitch-too-oh in
> > Kroger tank occasionally, easily removed at
> > sumptime. No gascolator and nothing but runs &
> hits
> > (no errors) since. But be advised- No Kroger EVER
> > goes into Mojo without passing the superfunnel
> test!
> > See:
> >
> >
>
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1419/index.ht
ml
> >
> > Another of those BE$T DOLLAR$ $PENT thangs....
> >
> > Mark Phillips N51PW E3D, 150hp fire-breathing
> > Lycosoar, too broke buying mogas to get a vapor
> > tester.................
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
> > Always Free.
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video
> search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand.
> Always Free.
>
__________________________________________________
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Cc: "'Ron Brown'" <romott@adelphia.net>, "'breece nesbitt, jr.'" <breece28117@adelphia.net>
| Subject: | FW: Troutman Independence Day Parade |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Sounds like another opportunity for some formation practice.
Contact Breece Nesbitt (breece28117@adephia.net) if you guys are
interested.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Brown [mailto:romott@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:40 PM
Wigney; Don Sink; Bob Thayer; John Schroeder; Dale Ensing; Bill Repucci
Cc: breece nesbitt, jr.
Subject: Troutman Independence Day Parade
July 1 Troutman Fly Over
Paulette Klein called me and asked we could help Troutman with their
Event
The 2nd Annual Iredell County Independence Day Parade.
Marine Corps league Detachment 1097, Town of Troutman is sponsoring this
event honoring all of our veterans, rep each branch. Grand Marshals
will be
WWII vets, Marine corps color guard, rolling thunder, bag pipers, army &
navy race cars,
The parade is Friday, July 1 - Time 11 AM - for about one hour.
They would love to have airplanes fly over the parade starting at 11 am.
The parade runs from the American Legion building to the fair grounds on
Hwy
21.
Dennis Clairy will be in charge of the fly over contact.
She has talked with Breece Nesbitt who she said had agreed to
participate.
Breece will also contact some of his warbird buddies including Norbert.
I told her I would solicit more planes in the June Newsletter.
Next meeting is Wednesday, June 14, 6:30 pm at the Tally House
Restaurant in
Troutman (she is buying - actually she works there).
Perhaps we can discuss on Saturday at Gastonia.
See ya
Ronnie
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