---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/31/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: Back from OSH ... (VERY LONG-WINDED) (Larry Bowen) 2. 06:24 AM - Door Raised!!! (Ed Anderson) 3. 06:51 AM - 396 vs Anywheremap.wx (Wayne Williams) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: 396 vs Anywheremap.wx (James Clark) 5. 08:02 AM - Re: Door Raised!!! (Steve Glasgow) 6. 09:22 AM - Re: Door Raised!!! (Ed Anderson) 7. 02:06 PM - G900X from Stark (Radomir Zaric) 8. 05:15 PM - Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... (Matt Dralle) 9. 05:34 PM - Re: QB v. SB (l-fussell) 10. 05:39 PM - Re: QB v. SB (Lance C. Arbuckle) 11. 07:16 PM - Re: QB v. SB (Larry Bowen) 12. 10:01 PM - Re: QB v. SB (Bart Filipiak) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Back from OSH ... (VERY LONG-WINDED) --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Welcome home! -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com do not archive James Clark wrote: > Well I finally made it back from Oshkosh. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:33 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! MessageWent out today and finished the screwing and bolting. Knock the chocks out from under the door and it swung like on ball bearings. My spacing under the lower board and concrete floor ranged between 1 1/4" to 2" due to variation in the level of the concrete floor - so I am extremely pleased indeed. Now, back to designing the hydraulic fittings for the rams to push on beam. I thought I might have to trim 1/2" off the ends of the beam but turned out not to be necessary. Here's a photo. Ed Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! After I sent that note I realized that T'ing it will do the trick but didn't think about equal lengths. Somewhere around here I might have my hydraulic design books but don't ask me where. That just means you have to run a line to the middle of the opening and double back to the ram. No big deal, just secure those lines, having one fail could hurt. Heck, you could even use pipe, if you can find some with the appropriate PSI rating and then just put flex line down by the rams. Kind of like I plan on doing with my brake lines. Best of luck with it. I hear you about the PM stuff, that's really what I do now but with software. Should have stuck with the engineering stuff. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:16 PM To: bill@repucci.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Hi Bill, Good question. I am going to have one pump and reservoir. I am told that if I feed at "T" from the pump and then use equal lengths of hose going from the "T" to each cylinder that would take care of the equalization problem for my simple system. I am using single action cylinders, so they only use the pump to push the door open and the weight of the door will do the closing. Hey, I understand, I got an EE degree at age 32 in the AirForce and then they made me a project manager (paper pusher, Contractor monitor, etc - anything but technical stuff {:>)), but I fooled them by developing hobbies that used a bit of my engineering training. I'm always looking for a project to learn/use some area that I have not used before, so this is my Hydraulic learning project {:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Ed, I was thinking about your hydraulic system on the ride home from Radomir's. Are you going to have one pump and one reservoir or two of each? If one, will you have an equalization cross-over pipe to make sure both rams raise at the same time? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill PS. That is the curse of having an un-used engineering degree, I always find myself thinking through these things. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:48 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! A little after 1030 today, the obstacle blocking my aircraft that I have mentioned (my hangar door frame ) in previous e mails was raised and attached to the support structure. Thanks to a number of folks (in no particular order) goes to Cappy (who of course had to fly over {:>)), Dale, Bill, Radomir, Tad, Mike, and my son-in-law Bryan . These guys are the ones to call when you need a 400 lb door raised. Thanks Guys. You made it seem easy - if I forgot anyone, I apologize and will attribute it to my excited mind. Just a bunch more of screws to further secure the door frame to the hinged header and a 6" drill bit to drill through 3 2x4s and that part will be finished. Next phase is getting the hydraulic system ordered and installed and the final phase will be to cover the door with fiberglass roofing. Again my thanks to all. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:46 AM PST US From: "Wayne Williams" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: 396 vs Anywheremap.wx Sounds like the on board weather was a real plus for some OSH flights. Only saw mention of the 396. Anyone use or have seen the Anywheremap? Wayne -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:19 AM PST US From: "James Clark" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: 396 vs Anywheremap.wx I have and have used AnywhereMap 2-3 OSH trips and was REALLY glad to have it. Works as advertised. I change planes so the 396 is now a little easier to handle and after Me letting my iPAQ battery go dead a few times, I got frustrated with MY usage of the iPAQ. I wish AnywhereMap was on some of the EFIS displays. Tried to get then to port over to a certain brand a few years ago. No joy. James On 7/31/06, Wayne Williams wrote: > > Sounds like the on board weather was a real plus for some OSH flights. > Only saw mention of the 396. Anyone use or have seen the Anywheremap? > > Wayne > > > -- > 7/28/2006 > -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:51 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! MessageCool man cool. Let me know if you need any help. I will work for one of Jonie's sandwiches and the Newton's. Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Went out today and finished the screwing and bolting. Knock the chocks out from under the door and it swung like on ball bearings. My spacing under the lower board and concrete floor ranged between 1 1/4" to 2" due to variation in the level of the concrete floor - so I am extremely pleased indeed. Now, back to designing the hydraulic fittings for the rams to push on beam. I thought I might have to trim 1/2" off the ends of the beam but turned out not to be necessary. Here's a photo. Ed Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! After I sent that note I realized that T'ing it will do the trick but didn't think about equal lengths. Somewhere around here I might have my hydraulic design books but don't ask me where. That just means you have to run a line to the middle of the opening and double back to the ram. No big deal, just secure those lines, having one fail could hurt. Heck, you could even use pipe, if you can find some with the appropriate PSI rating and then just put flex line down by the rams. Kind of like I plan on doing with my brake lines. Best of luck with it. I hear you about the PM stuff, that's really what I do now but with software. Should have stuck with the engineering stuff. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:16 PM To: bill@repucci.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Hi Bill, Good question. I am going to have one pump and reservoir. I am told that if I feed at "T" from the pump and then use equal lengths of hose going from the "T" to each cylinder that would take care of the equalization problem for my simple system. I am using single action cylinders, so they only use the pump to push the door open and the weight of the door will do the closing. Hey, I understand, I got an EE degree at age 32 in the AirForce and then they made me a project manager (paper pusher, Contractor monitor, etc - anything but technical stuff {:>)), but I fooled them by developing hobbies that used a bit of my engineering training. I'm always looking for a project to learn/use some area that I have not used before, so this is my Hydraulic learning project {:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Ed, I was thinking about your hydraulic system on the ride home from Radomir's. Are you going to have one pump and one reservoir or two of each? If one, will you have an equalization cross-over pipe to make sure both rams raise at the same time? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill PS. That is the curse of having an un-used engineering degree, I always find myself thinking through these things. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:48 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! A little after 1030 today, the obstacle blocking my aircraft that I have mentioned (my hangar door frame ) in previous e mails was raised and attached to the support structure. Thanks to a number of folks (in no particular order) goes to Cappy (who of course had to fly over {:>)), Dale, Bill, Radomir, Tad, Mike, and my son-in-law Bryan . These guys are the ones to call when you need a 400 lb door raised. Thanks Guys. You made it seem easy - if I forgot anyone, I apologize and will attribute it to my excited mind. Just a bunch more of screws to further secure the door frame to the hinged header and a 6" drill bit to drill through 3 2x4s and that part will be finished. Next phase is getting the hydraulic system ordered and installed and the final phase will be to cover the door with fiberglass roofing. Again my thanks to all. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:12 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! MessageThanks, Cappy. Once I have the hydraulic fitting to bolt to the door, I can proceed. Will let you know when it fun time again. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Glasgow To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Cool man cool. Let me know if you need any help. I will work for one of Jonie's sandwiches and the Newton's. Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Went out today and finished the screwing and bolting. Knock the chocks out from under the door and it swung like on ball bearings. My spacing under the lower board and concrete floor ranged between 1 1/4" to 2" due to variation in the level of the concrete floor - so I am extremely pleased indeed. Now, back to designing the hydraulic fittings for the rams to push on beam. I thought I might have to trim 1/2" off the ends of the beam but turned out not to be necessary. Here's a photo. Ed Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! After I sent that note I realized that T'ing it will do the trick but didn't think about equal lengths. Somewhere around here I might have my hydraulic design books but don't ask me where. That just means you have to run a line to the middle of the opening and double back to the ram. No big deal, just secure those lines, having one fail could hurt. Heck, you could even use pipe, if you can find some with the appropriate PSI rating and then just put flex line down by the rams. Kind of like I plan on doing with my brake lines. Best of luck with it. I hear you about the PM stuff, that's really what I do now but with software. Should have stuck with the engineering stuff. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson [mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:16 PM To: bill@repucci.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Hi Bill, Good question. I am going to have one pump and reservoir. I am told that if I feed at "T" from the pump and then use equal lengths of hose going from the "T" to each cylinder that would take care of the equalization problem for my simple system. I am using single action cylinders, so they only use the pump to push the door open and the weight of the door will do the closing. Hey, I understand, I got an EE degree at age 32 in the AirForce and then they made me a project manager (paper pusher, Contractor monitor, etc - anything but technical stuff {:>)), but I fooled them by developing hobbies that used a bit of my engineering training. I'm always looking for a project to learn/use some area that I have not used before, so this is my Hydraulic learning project {:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: 'Ed Anderson' Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! Ed, I was thinking about your hydraulic system on the ride home from Radomir's. Are you going to have one pump and one reservoir or two of each? If one, will you have an equalization cross-over pipe to make sure both rams raise at the same time? Inquiring minds want to know. Bill PS. That is the curse of having an un-used engineering degree, I always find myself thinking through these things. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:48 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Door Raised!!! A little after 1030 today, the obstacle blocking my aircraft that I have mentioned (my hangar door frame ) in previous e mails was raised and attached to the support structure. Thanks to a number of folks (in no particular order) goes to Cappy (who of course had to fly over {:>)), Dale, Bill, Radomir, Tad, Mike, and my son-in-law Bryan . These guys are the ones to call when you need a 400 lb door raised. Thanks Guys. You made it seem easy - if I forgot anyone, I apologize and will attribute it to my excited mind. Just a bunch more of screws to further secure the door frame to the hinged header and a 6" drill bit to drill through 3 2x4s and that part will be finished. Next phase is getting the hydraulic system ordered and installed and the final phase will be to cover the door with fiberglass roofing. Again my thanks to all. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:02 PM PST US From: "Radomir Zaric" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: G900X from Stark As I expected, the 66k price was MSRP only. Stark is quoting it for: 58,800 (East Coast) and 59,500 (West Coast buyers) Not that this helps much.. :-) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:51 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor 2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM. As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less if everything goes according to plan. The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work, and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade. Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server, and List message distribution will function as normal. This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following the upgrade! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:02 PM PST US From: "l-fussell" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "l-fussell" As a 7-A builder of a slow built fuselage I can tell you that the bucks charged for the QB is more than worth the money. I did QB wings and SB Fuse and will never ever ever build the SB again. Just MHO. Larry Fussell 7A in the paint booth ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:14 PM > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Lance C. Arbuckle" > > > > It looks like Vans has helped make up my mind as whether to go with a QB > kit or a slowbuild. As of now, all the fuselage components will be match > drilled instead of just the skins...that'll mean a few extra dollars > available for the fancy EFIS. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/8_fuse.pdf > > -- > Lance C. Arbuckle > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:49 PM PST US From: "Lance C. Arbuckle" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Lance C. Arbuckle" l-fussell wrote: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "l-fussell" > > As a 7-A builder of a slow built fuselage I can tell you that the bucks > charged for the QB is more than worth the money. I did QB wings and SB > Fuse and will never ever ever build the SB again. Just MHO. > Larry Fussell so you don't think the fuselage being matched hole now will save the 40% build time that Vans is projecting ?? -- Lance C. Arbuckle ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:59 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" The kit improvements are great & Van's time saving projections are believable, I guess. But, QB's are still money well spent, IMO. If you can swing the extra cost for the QB, and the compressed timeline to buy the other high-dollar stuff like engine and avionics, do it. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Lance C. Arbuckle [mailto:rv8@arbuckle.org] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:39 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Lance C. Arbuckle" > --> > > l-fussell wrote: > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "l-fussell" > > --> > > > > As a 7-A builder of a slow built fuselage I can tell you that the > > bucks charged for the QB is more than worth the money. I > did QB wings > > and SB Fuse and will never ever ever build the SB again. Just MHO. > > Larry Fussell > > so you don't think the fuselage being matched hole now will > save the 40% build time that Vans is projecting ?? > > -- > Lance C. Arbuckle > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:15 PM PST US From: Bart Filipiak Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak I'm going SB. I'm sure my opinion doesn't count for much. I've only completed the empennage and have one wing drilled, and one tank almost done. Sure it's a pain the rear sometimes, but I am really enjoying the blah blah blah... And that whole "money now" thing doesn't help any either. Honestly, I'm quite amazed at the leaps and bounds avionics have made since I started researching homebuilts. I for one am quite thrilled about the matched hole setup and look forward to the time savings. Will be flying one day........ Bart --- Larry Bowen wrote: > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry > Bowen" > > The kit improvements are great & Van's time saving > projections are > believable, I guess. But, QB's are still money well > spent, IMO. If you can > swing the extra cost for the QB, and the compressed > timeline to buy the > other high-dollar stuff like engine and avionics, do > it. > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lance C. Arbuckle [mailto:rv8@arbuckle.org] > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:39 PM > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: QB v. SB > > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Lance C. > Arbuckle" > > --> > > > > l-fussell wrote: > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: > "l-fussell" > > > --> > > > > > > As a 7-A builder of a slow built fuselage I can > tell you that the > > > bucks charged for the QB is more than worth the > money. I > > did QB wings > > > and SB Fuse and will never ever ever build the > SB again. Just MHO. > > > Larry Fussell > > > > so you don't think the fuselage being matched hole > now will > > save the 40% build time that Vans is projecting ?? > > > > -- > > Lance C. Arbuckle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________