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Next time my wife is talking too much in the back seat .... I know what to
do ... pull 7 gs !!!
Len
In a message dated 8/4/2006 12:12:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Larry@bowenaero.com writes:
Entertaining videos:
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Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
_http://BowenAero.com_ (http://bowenaero.com/)
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting forest fires
and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is really an advertisement
for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions for the
US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or suck and blow twin
engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2 that the Air
Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was
a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the
Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft
in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could
see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the jungle
canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the helicopters
and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference I see in the
missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and two
Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I still
bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful piece
of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with peaks topping
13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then
there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all day long. The
missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these elements (terrain, traffic
and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one
on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really
a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by
visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The
TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning
of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named) this
week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and they somehow
don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with helo's.
Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296 is used to
keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of interest in
the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping"
lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by
hitting "enter" and read it off.
Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider one
of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR certified,
but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296.
I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC approach and
even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece
of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will
upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have
flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it.
For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and
didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little chance
that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow. Best
we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more fuel
(dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you guys.
Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain! I'll
be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see
you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the email
coming. Its the highlight of my day.
Y'all fly safe,
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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Ron:
Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and mentally
flying in the smokey haze !!!
Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking much about
flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my pocket too
!! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
Len
In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is really
an
advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions
for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or suck and
blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2 that
the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many years
ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I
find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP)
rocket
so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct
the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and two
Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I
still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful
piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with peaks
topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all day
long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these elements
(terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at
once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature
is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to
determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing
ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and
gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and they
somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with
helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296 is
used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo
"dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot
just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider
one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR
certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296.
I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC approach
and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful
piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe
I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I
have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about
it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with
Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little
sucker!
There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little
chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow. Best
we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more
fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you guys.
Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain! I'll
be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see
you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
Y'all fly safe,
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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I was wondering where you were. Great story. Be safe and call when you
get back home.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: ronschreck@windstream.net
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air
Attack missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
push-pull or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control
(FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in
Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission
is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on
targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see
the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the
jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the
helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
of bo
mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM
radios and two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite
having two 430's I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it
to be the most useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain
here is very rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is
sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters
working in close proximity all day long. The missions can last for 6
hours at a time with all these elements (terrain, traffic and poor
visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS,
one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really a
comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine
by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing
ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
and gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
named) this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
zone and they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had
two near misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and
TERRAIN while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly
and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing
spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries,
etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and
read it off.
Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice
and it is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable
display I prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to
handle the occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my
GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure
the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I
win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the
296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the
money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and
didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little
sucker!
There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall
or snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading
to areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
structures.
I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
you guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward
to that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
Y'all fly safe,
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Len,
Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees last week
but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we seldom get below
9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to take the formation
practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The pictures from Oshkosh
are super. Looks like all that training was put to good use. I can't get
over the fine pictures James took of "Miss Izzy". What a shot! He should submit
one of those for the 2007 Van's calendar!
I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire about 3 PM
until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night, but it wakes up
when the sun hits the slopes.
Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm list. Anybody else
want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the Ocracoke Island Inn.
I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should welcome all RV folks.
Fly safe, Ron do not archive
>
> From: Lenleg@aol.com
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
>
> Ron:
>
> Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and mentally
> flying in the smokey haze !!!
>
> Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking much about
> flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
>
> BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my pocket too
> !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is really
an
> advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions
> for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or suck and
> blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2 that
> the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many years
> ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I
> find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
> fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP)
rocket
> so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
> hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct
> the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and two
> Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I
> still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful
> piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with peaks
> topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
> smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all day
> long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these elements
> (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins
at
> once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature
> is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to
> determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing
> ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and
> gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
> this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and they
> somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with
> helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296 is
> used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
> interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop positions,
helo
> "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot
> just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider
> one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR
> certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer the
296.
> I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC approach
> and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful
> piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe
> I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I
> have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about
> it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with
> Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little
> sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little
> chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow. Best
> we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more
> fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you guys.
> Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain! I'll
> be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see
> you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
> email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Good to hear from you. I gave the 396 similar high marks on the OSH trip --
which was ho-hum compared to your story below!
I met your colleague Jan at the RUQ breakfast last Sunday. She said you
were headed West.....
Stay safe,
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ronschreck@windstream.net [mailto:ronschreck@windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month
> fighting forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I
> am doing. This is really an advertisement for the Garmin
> handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions for the US
> Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
> suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
> of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air
> control (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward
> Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find
> that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I
> directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking
> with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see the
> targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in
> the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack
> I direct the helicopters and water bombers that fight the
> wildfires. The only difference I see in the missions is that
> we are dropping water instead of bo mbs and nobody is
> shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two
> AM radios and two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic
> (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I still bring along my
> personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful piece
> of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
> rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is
> sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4
> helicopters working in close proximity all day long. The
> missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
> elements (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace.
> I use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN
> and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really a
> comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
> to determine by visual reference if I am higher than the
> terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The TCAS feature on the
> 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning of
> any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders
> (appropriately named) this week as a low lever (VR) route
> goes right through the fire zone and they somehow don't get
> briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with
> helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN
> while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly
> and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots,
> helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping"
> lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> any spot just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be
> well-advised to consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your
> plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR certified, but for ease
> of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296. I
> put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional
> IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I
> find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure
> the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will
> upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> seat. I have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now
> and can't stop raving about it. For the money there is no
> comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't
> get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and
> there is little chance that we will put them out before the
> first major rainfall or snow. Best we can do is "manage" the
> fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more fuel (dead
> or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss
> flying with you guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV
> climb performance in this terrain! I'll be back at the end
> of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see
> you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too.
> Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Good to hear from you Ron!
For the crew that was at the clinc, I should have the CDs from Stu any day
now. I will get copies to you later.
Regarding the x96 from Garmin ... I put the 396 and the KMD 150 to good use
on the way back (along with the autopilot). The viz got really low at times
and when you have to cross the mountains (that would be foothills to you
Ron! :-) ), you really want something that supports what you think you see
outside.
And with the weather being very "iffy" this past week, having weather
onboard is far more valuable than most realize.
Fly safe, see ya soon for another practice.
James
On 8/4/06, ronschreck@windstream.net <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi Len,
>
> Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees
> last week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we
> seldom get below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to
> take the formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The
> pictures from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put to
> good use. I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss
> Izzy". What a shot! He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's
> calendar!
> I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire about
> 3 PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night, but it
> wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
> Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm
> list. Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the
> Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should welcome all
> RV folks.
>
>
> Fly safe, Ron do not archive
> >
> > From: Lenleg@aol.com
> > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> >
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
> mentally
> > flying in the smokey haze !!!
> >
> > Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
> much about
> > flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
> >
> > BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my
> pocket too
> > !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> really an
> > advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> missions
> > for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
> suck and
> > blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2
> that
> > the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many
> years
> > ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco
> and I
> > find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
> > fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus
> (WP) rocket
> > so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
> > hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack
> I direct
> > the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> > difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
> of bo
> > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> two
> > Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's
> I
> > still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most
> useful
> > piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged
> with peaks
> > topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
> > smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity
> all day
> > long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all
> these elements
> > (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three
> Garmins at
> > once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain
> feature
> > is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
> to
> > determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on
> crossing
> > ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
> and
> > gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> named)
> > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone
> and they
> > somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> misses with
> > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296
> is
> > used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
> > interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> positions, helo
> > "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> any spot
> > just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> consider
> > one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is
> IFR
> > certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer
> the 296.
> > I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
> approach
> > and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most
> useful
> > piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and
> maybe
> > I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> seat. I
> > have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving
> about
> > it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not
> associated with
> > Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that
> little
> > sucker!
> > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> little
> > chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> snow. Best
> > we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with
> more
> > fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> guys.
> > Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> terrain! I'll
> > be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope
> to see
> > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
> > email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> >
> > Y'all fly safe,
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Larry,
Well, the 296 is super in flat terrain too. In the winter I do survey missions
over the Atlantic for NOAA. We are tracking the near-extinct Northern Right
Whale. The "track" function of the 296 really comes in handy there. If one
of my observers catches a glimpse of a whale I can return to the sighting spot
with great accuracy by retracing my flight and overflying the track to put us
back to where the sighting was first made. Then we circle and wait for the whale
to surface again. The Garmin 430 and 530 don't have the "track" feature.
For the life of me, I don't see why their $8000+ units don't have at least as
many features as the handheld GPS??? I have a ships-power cord in "Miss Izzy"
for the 296 and an antenna permanently mounted under the cowling. I consider
it "essential" equipment.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
TDY to Wenatchee, WA do not archive
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:39:36 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Good to hear from you. I gave the 396 similar high marks on the OSH trip --
> which was ho-hum compared to your story below!
>
> I met your colleague Jan at the RUQ breakfast last Sunday. She said you
> were headed West.....
>
> Stay safe,
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ronschreck@windstream.net [mailto:ronschreck@windstream.net]
> > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month
> > fighting forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I
> > am doing. This is really an advertisement for the Garmin
> > handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions for the US
> > Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
> > suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
> > of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air
> > control (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward
> > Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find
> > that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I
> > directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking
> > with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see the
> > targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in
> > the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack
> > I direct the helicopters and water bombers that fight the
> > wildfires. The only difference I see in the missions is that
> > we are dropping water instead of bo mbs and nobody is
> > shooting at me this time!
> > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two
> > AM radios and two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic
> > (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I still bring along my
> > personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful piece
> > of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
> > rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is
> > sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4
> > helicopters working in close proximity all day long. The
> > missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
> > elements (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace.
> > I use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN
> > and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really a
> > comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
> > to determine by visual reference if I am higher than the
> > terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The TCAS feature on the
> > 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning of
> > any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders
> > (appropriately named) this week as a low lever (VR) route
> > goes right through the fire zone and they somehow don't get
> > briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with
> > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN
> > while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly
> > and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots,
> > helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping"
> > lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> > any spot just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > Those of you planning your panel layout would be
> > well-advised to consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your
> > plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR certified, but for ease
> > of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296. I
> > put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional
> > IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I
> > find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure
> > the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will
> > upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> > seat. I have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now
> > and can't stop raving about it. For the money there is no
> > comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't
> > get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and
> > there is little chance that we will put them out before the
> > first major rainfall or snow. Best we can do is "manage" the
> > fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more fuel (dead
> > or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss
> > flying with you guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV
> > climb performance in this terrain! I'll be back at the end
> > of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see
> > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too.
> > Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> >
> > Y'all fly safe,
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ron,
That must be some very demanding flying! And I thought it was hot here!!!!
Very interesting. Good info on the Garmin x96. Makes me want to spend even
more money.
Be careful out there.
Ken
On 8/4/06, ronschreck@windstream.net <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull
> or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the
> military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC)
> platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam,
> flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission is very
> similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by
> marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see the targets
> which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the jungle canopy on the
> Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the helicopters and water
> bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference I see in the missions
> is that we are dropping water instead of bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's
> I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most
> useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged
> with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited
> due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity
> all day long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
> elements (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all
> three Garmins at once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for
> navigation. The terrain feature is really a comfort as it is difficult with
> an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by visual reference if I am higher
> than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430
> helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning of any intruders in
> the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
> this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and
> they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while
> the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous
> spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass
> coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it
> is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
> prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the
> occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find
> the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM
> weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I win the lottery and
> send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the 296 for at least 500
> hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the money there is no
> comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't get a plug
> nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to
> areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
> structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
> Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to
> that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Radar,
Glad you are getting some good use out of the 396. Maybe with the coming of the
496 the price of the older models will come down. I wish the XM subscription
was less expensive.
What CD is Stu sending? Pictures?
Speaking of picures, I mentioned to Len that you should send one of those great
shots to Van's and see if it makes the 2007 Calendar. Maybe you could even get
some $$$ for it! You should go professional.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC do not archive
>
> From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:47:17 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> Good to hear from you Ron!
>
> For the crew that was at the clinc, I should have the CDs from Stu any day
> now. I will get copies to you later.
>
> Regarding the x96 from Garmin ... I put the 396 and the KMD 150 to good use
> on the way back (along with the autopilot). The viz got really low at times
> and when you have to cross the mountains (that would be foothills to you
> Ron! :-) ), you really want something that supports what you think you see
> outside.
>
> And with the weather being very "iffy" this past week, having weather
> onboard is far more valuable than most realize.
>
> Fly safe, see ya soon for another practice.
>
> James
>
>
> On 8/4/06, ronschreck@windstream.net <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi Len,
> >
> > Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees
> > last week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we
> > seldom get below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to
> > take the formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The
> > pictures from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put to
> > good use. I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss
> > Izzy". What a shot! He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's
> > calendar!
> > I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire about
> > 3 PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night, but it
> > wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
> > Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm
> > list. Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the
> > Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should welcome all
> > RV folks.
> >
> >
> > Fly safe, Ron do not archive
> > >
> > > From: Lenleg@aol.com
> > > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron:
> > >
> > > Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
> > mentally
> > > flying in the smokey haze !!!
> > >
> > > Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
> > much about
> > > flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
> > >
> > > BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my
> > pocket too
> > > !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
> > >
> > > Len
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
> > >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> > > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> > really an
> > > advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> > missions
> > > for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
> > suck and
> > > blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2
> > that
> > > the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many
> > years
> > > ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco
> > and I
> > > find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
> > > fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus
> > (WP) rocket
> > > so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
> > > hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack
> > I direct
> > > the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> > > difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
> > of bo
> > > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> > two
> > > Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's
> > I
> > > still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most
> > useful
> > > piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged
> > with peaks
> > > topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
> > > smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity
> > all day
> > > long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all
> > these elements
> > > (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three
> > Garmins at
> > > once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain
> > feature
> > > is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
> > to
> > > determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on
> > crossing
> > > ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
> > and
> > > gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> > named)
> > > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone
> > and they
> > > somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> > misses with
> > > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296
> > is
> > > used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
> > > interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> > positions, helo
> > > "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> > any spot
> > > just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> > consider
> > > one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is
> > IFR
> > > certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer
> > the 296.
> > > I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
> > approach
> > > and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most
> > useful
> > > piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and
> > maybe
> > > I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> > seat. I
> > > have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving
> > about
> > > it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not
> > associated with
> > > Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that
> > little
> > > sucker!
> > > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> > little
> > > chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> > snow. Best
> > > we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with
> > more
> > > fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> > guys.
> > > Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> > terrain! I'll
> > > be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope
> > to see
> > > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
> > > email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> > >
> > > Y'all fly safe,
> > >
> > > Ron Schreck
> > > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Paul D. Franzon" <paulf@ncsu.edu>
Ron:
Good to hear from you. Certainly sounds like interesting (though demanding)
flying. Yes, I too like the x96 series and would highly recommend them.
They just introduced the 496 at Oshkosh (it includes full ground US ground
maps and the AOPA AP database).
BTW, I have pretty much decided to replace my (dead vacuum) AI with a Dynon
10 EFIS. Though the GRT unit seems to be the best one out there, I would
rather not have to do the major panel surgery required to fit it in.
Paul D. Franzon
Alumni Distinguished Professor of ECE
443 Monteith GRC
paulf@ncsu.edu 919.515.7351 fax. 919.515.2285
www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
USPS : ECE Box 7911, NCSU, Raleigh NC 27695
FedEx: EGRC 419, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27606
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ronschreck@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:37 PM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Len,
Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees last
week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we seldom get
below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to take the
formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The pictures
from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put to good use.
I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss Izzy". What a shot!
He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's calendar!
I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire about 3
PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night, but it
wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm list.
Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the
Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should welcome all
RV folks.
Fly safe, Ron do not archive
>
> From: Lenleg@aol.com
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
>
> Ron:
>
> Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and mentally
> flying in the smokey haze !!!
>
> Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking much about
> flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
>
> BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my pocket
too
> !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
really an
> advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
missions
> for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
suck and
> blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2
that
> the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many
years
> ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and
I
> find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
> fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus
(WP) rocket
> so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
> hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I
direct
> the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead of
bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
two
> Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I
> still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most
useful
> piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with
peaks
> topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
> smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all
day
> long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
elements
> (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three
Garmins at
> once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain
feature
> is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
to
> determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on
crossing
> ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and
> gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
> this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and
they
> somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses
with
> helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296
is
> used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
> interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
positions, helo
> "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any
spot
> just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider
> one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is
IFR
> certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer
the 296.
> I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
approach
> and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most
useful
> piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and
maybe
> I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat.
I
> have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving
about
> it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated
with
> Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that
little
> sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little
> chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow.
Best
> we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with
more
> fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
guys.
> Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain!
I'll
> be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to
see
> you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
> email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Gee, Ron and here I thought you were retired - talk about someone who can't
keep away from the action {:>). Fly safe!!
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air
> Attack missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
> push-pull or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
> of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC)
> platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam,
> flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission is very
> similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by
> marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see the targets
> which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the jungle canopy on
> the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the helicopters and
> water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference I see in the
> missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two
> 430's I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the
> most useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
> rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very
> limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close
> proximity all day long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with
> all these elements (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I
> use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for
> navigation. The terrain feature is really a comfort as it is difficult
> with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by visual reference if I am
> higher than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The TCAS feature on the
> 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning of any
> intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
> this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and
> they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN
> while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK
> numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots,
> ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I
> can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and
> it is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
> prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the
> occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I
> find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with
> XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I win the lottery
> and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the 296 for at least
> 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the money there is no
> comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't get a plug
> nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to
> areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
> structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
> Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to
> that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
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Paul,
There are a lot of good reasons to make modular panel that would accomodate
the "new stuff".
James
On 8/4/06, Paul D. Franzon <paulf@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Paul D. Franzon" <paulf@ncsu.edu>
>
> Ron:
>
> Good to hear from you. Certainly sounds like interesting (though
> demanding)
> flying. Yes, I too like the x96 series and would highly recommend them.
> They just introduced the 496 at Oshkosh (it includes full ground US ground
> maps and the AOPA AP database).
>
> BTW, I have pretty much decided to replace my (dead vacuum) AI with a
> Dynon
> 10 EFIS. Though the GRT unit seems to be the best one out there, I would
> rather not have to do the major panel surgery required to fit it in.
>
> Paul D. Franzon
> Alumni Distinguished Professor of ECE
> 443 Monteith GRC
> paulf@ncsu.edu 919.515.7351 fax. 919.515.2285
> www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
> USPS : ECE Box 7911, NCSU, Raleigh NC 27695
> FedEx: EGRC 419, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27606
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ronschreck@windstream.net
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:37 PM
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi Len,
>
> Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees
> last
> week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we seldom
> get
> below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to take the
> formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The pictures
> from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put to good use.
> I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss Izzy". What a
> shot!
> He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's calendar!
> I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire about
> 3
> PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night, but it
> wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
> Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm list.
> Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the
> Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should welcome
> all
> RV folks.
>
>
> Fly safe, Ron do not archive
> >
> > From: Lenleg@aol.com
> > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> >
> >
> > Ron:
> >
> > Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
> mentally
>
> > flying in the smokey haze !!!
> >
> > Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
> much about
>
> > flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
> >
> > BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my pocket
> too
> > !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
> >
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> really an
> > advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> missions
> > for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or
> suck and
> > blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2
> that
> > the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many
> years
> > ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco
> and
> I
> > find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed
> > fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus
> (WP) rocket
> > so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or
> > hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack
> I
> direct
> > the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> > difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
> of
> bo
> > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> two
> > Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's
> I
>
> > still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most
> useful
> > piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged
> with
> peaks
> > topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to
> > smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity
> all
> day
> > long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
> elements
> > (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three
> Garmins at
> > once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain
> feature
> > is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon
> to
> > determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on
> crossing
> > ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
> and
>
> > gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> named)
>
> > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone
> and
> they
> > somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> misses
> with
> > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296
> is
> > used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of
> > interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> positions, helo
> > "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any
> spot
> > just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> consider
>
> > one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is
> IFR
> > certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer
> the 296.
> > I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
> approach
> > and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most
> useful
> > piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and
> maybe
> > I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> seat.
> I
> > have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving
> about
> > it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated
> with
> > Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that
> little
> > sucker!
> > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> little
> > chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> snow.
> Best
> > we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with
> more
> > fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> guys.
> > Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain!
> I'll
> > be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope
> to
> see
> > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the
> > email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> >
> > Y'all fly safe,
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ron,
I like my 296, too, but never imagined I'd want to consider keeping it in the panel
when I upgrade to GRT dual EFIS and internal GPS. Quit messing with my made-up
mind, will ya?! I've already cut my panel blanks!
(I am considering adding an AvMap EKP-IV with its beautiful display on the passenger's
side for added situational awareness.)
I have this mental picture of someone out there at the mission control saying on
the radio, "What the hell - we've got a Mix-master out here shooting white phosphorus
rockets into the forest!"
"That's gotta be Schreck having a flash-back! Miss Izzy, break off, I say again,
break off!"
Don't work too hard out there, Ron. Your R&R is coming up soon. Keep your noodle
cool!
Thanks again for the nice card you and Kathy sent after the fly-in.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 3:01 PM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting forest
fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is really an
advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions for
the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or suck and blow
twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2 that the Air
Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a
Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the
Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber
aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they
could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the
jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the
helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference I
see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and two
Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I still
bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful piece of
equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with peaks topping
13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then
there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all day long. The
missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these elements (terrain,
traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one
on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really
a
comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by
visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The
TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning
of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named) this
week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and they somehow
don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with helo's.
Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296 is used to keep
track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire
(hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and
TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting
"enter" and read it off.
Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider
one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR
certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296.
I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC approach and
even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece
of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will
upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow
with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the
money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't
get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little
chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow. Best
we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more
fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you guys.
Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain! I'll be
back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see you
all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the email
coming. Its the highlight of my day.
Y'all fly safe,
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
________________________________________________________________________
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James:
Thanks. You are making good points. I also dont want to end up with an
1994 RV-4 with too much invested in the panel.
Paul D. Franzon
Alumni Distinguished Professor of ECE
443 EGRC
paulf@ncsu.edu 919.515.7351, fax. 919.515.2285
www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
USPS : ECE, Box 7914, NCSU, Raleigh NC 27695
FedEx : EGRC 419, 2410 Campus Shore Dve., Raleigh NC 27606
----- Original Message -----
From: James Clark
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
Paul,
There are a lot of good reasons to make modular panel that would
accomodate the "new stuff".
James
On 8/4/06, Paul D. Franzon <paulf@ncsu.edu> wrote:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Paul D. Franzon" <
paulf@ncsu.edu>
Ron:
Good to hear from you. Certainly sounds like interesting (though
demanding)
flying. Yes, I too like the x96 series and would highly recommend
them.
They just introduced the 496 at Oshkosh (it includes full ground US
ground
maps and the AOPA AP database).
BTW, I have pretty much decided to replace my (dead vacuum) AI with
a Dynon
10 EFIS. Though the GRT unit seems to be the best one out there, I
would
rather not have to do the major panel surgery required to fit it in.
Paul D. Franzon
Alumni Distinguished Professor of ECE
443 Monteith GRC
paulf@ncsu.edu 919.515.7351 fax. 919.515.2285
www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
USPS : ECE Box 7911, NCSU, Raleigh NC 27695
FedEx: EGRC 419, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27606
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ronschreck@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:37 PM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Len,
Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110
degrees last
week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we
seldom get
below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys need to
take the
formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge. The
pictures
from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put to
good use.
I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss Izzy". What
a shot!
He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's calendar!
I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire
about 3
PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night,
but it
wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm list.
Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left at the
Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should
welcome all
RV folks.
Fly safe, Ron do not archive
>
> From: Lenleg@aol.com
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
>
> Ron:
>
> Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
mentally
> flying in the smokey haze !!!
>
> Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
much about
> flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
>
> BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my
pocket
too
> !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <
ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month
fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing.
This is
really an
> advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
missions
> for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
push-pull or
suck and
> blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the
military O-2
that
> the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too
many
years
> ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10
Bronco and
I
> find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I
directed
> fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white
phosphorus
(WP) rocket
> so they could see the targets which were usually heavily
camoflaged or
> hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air
Attack I
direct
> the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The
only
> difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water
instead of
bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM
radios and
two
> Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two
430's I
> still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the
most
useful
> piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
rugged with
peaks
> topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited
due to
> smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close
proximity all
day
> long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these
elements
> (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all
three
Garmins at
> once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The
terrain
feature
> is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke)
horizon
to
> determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I
plan on
crossing
> ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the
helo's and
> gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every
f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders
(appropriately named)
> this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
zone and
they
> somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two
near misses
with
> helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while
the 296
is
> used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous
spots of
> interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
positions, helo
> "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates
of any
spot
> just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
consider
> one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and
it is
IFR
> certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
prefer
the 296.
> I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional
IMC
approach
> and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my
most
useful
> piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even
nicer and
maybe
> I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the
back seat.
I
> have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop
raving
about
> it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not
associated
with
> Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like
that
little
> sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
little
> chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall
or snow.
Best
> we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to
areas with
more
> fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
you
guys.
> Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
terrain!
I'll
> be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke.
Hope to
see
> you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too.
Keep the
> email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
>
>
james@nextupventures.com .
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "ben burril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
Ron,We are all sitting here on the east coast just going to work at the pie
factory tasting pie for a living in the air condition.Your having to fly
someone else equipment in washington st were the senarey is out of a post
card.I think i will go cry myself to sleep now.Be careful out there and
don,t worry about kathy.I,am sure you will know everybody that calls to
check on her for you.LOL
Ben ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:04 PM
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi Radar,
>
> Glad you are getting some good use out of the 396. Maybe with the coming
of the 496 the price of the older models will come down. I wish the XM
subscription was less expensive.
>
> What CD is Stu sending? Pictures?
>
> Speaking of picures, I mentioned to Len that you should send one of those
great shots to Van's and see if it makes the 2007 Calendar. Maybe you could
even get some $$$ for it! You should go professional.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC do not archive
> >
> > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:47:17 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> >
> > Good to hear from you Ron!
> >
> > For the crew that was at the clinc, I should have the CDs from Stu any
day
> > now. I will get copies to you later.
> >
> > Regarding the x96 from Garmin ... I put the 396 and the KMD 150 to good
use
> > on the way back (along with the autopilot). The viz got really low at
times
> > and when you have to cross the mountains (that would be foothills to you
> > Ron! :-) ), you really want something that supports what you think you
see
> > outside.
> >
> > And with the weather being very "iffy" this past week, having weather
> > onboard is far more valuable than most realize.
> >
> > Fly safe, see ya soon for another practice.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 8/4/06, ronschreck@windstream.net <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Len,
> > >
> > > Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees
> > > last week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we
> > > seldom get below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys
need to
> > > take the formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge.
The
> > > pictures from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put
to
> > > good use. I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss
> > > Izzy". What a shot! He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's
> > > calendar!
> > > I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire
about
> > > 3 PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night,
but it
> > > wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
> > > Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm
> > > list. Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left
at the
> > > Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should
welcome all
> > > RV folks.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fly safe, Ron do not archive
> > > >
> > > > From: Lenleg@aol.com
> > > > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ron:
> > > >
> > > > Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
> > > mentally
> > > > flying in the smokey haze !!!
> > > >
> > > > Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
> > > much about
> > > > flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
> > > >
> > > > BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my
> > > pocket too
> > > > !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
> > > >
> > > > Len
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
> > > >
> > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
<ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month
fighting
> > > > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing.
This is
> > > really an
> > > > advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> > > missions
> > > > for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull
or
> > > suck and
> > > > blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military
O-2
> > > that
> > > > the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too
many
> > > years
> > > > ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10
Bronco
> > > and I
> > > > find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I
directed
> > > > fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white
phosphorus
> > > (WP) rocket
> > > > so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged
or
> > > > hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air
Attack
> > > I direct
> > > > the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The
only
> > > > difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water
instead
> > > of bo
> > > > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > > > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios
and
> > > two
> > > > Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two
430's
> > > I
> > > > still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the
most
> > > useful
> > > > piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
rugged
> > > with peaks
> > > > topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due
to
> > > > smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close
proximity
> > > all day
> > > > long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all
> > > these elements
> > > > (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all
three
> > > Garmins at
> > > > once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The
terrain
> > > feature
> > > > is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke)
horizon
> > > to
> > > > determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I
plan on
> > > crossing
> > > > ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the
helo's
> > > and
> > > > gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > > > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> > > named)
> > > > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
zone
> > > and they
> > > > somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> > > misses with
> > > > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the
296
> > > is
> > > > used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous
spots of
> > > > interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> > > positions, helo
> > > > "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> > > any spot
> > > > just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > > > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> > > consider
> > > > one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it
is
> > > IFR
> > > > certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
prefer
> > > the 296.
> > > > I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
> > > approach
> > > > and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my
most
> > > useful
> > > > piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer
and
> > > maybe
> > > > I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> > > seat. I
> > > > have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop
raving
> > > about
> > > > it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not
> > > associated with
> > > > Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like
that
> > > little
> > > > sucker!
> > > > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> > > little
> > > > chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> > > snow. Best
> > > > we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas
with
> > > more
> > > > fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > > > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
you
> > > guys.
> > > > Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> > > terrain! I'll
> > > > be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke.
Hope
> > > to see
> > > > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep
the
> > > > email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> > > >
> > > > Y'all fly safe,
> > > >
> > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > james@nextupventures.com .
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Ed,
I'm easing my way into retirement. Of course the retirement checks from USAF and
USAir help, but this job is strictly as a contract pilot. I tell my boss when
I want to fly and he tells me when he could use me. It's a great retirement
job. I'll never be an employee again!
Ron do not archive
>
> From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 05:27:14 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Gee, Ron and here I thought you were retired - talk about someone who can't
> keep away from the action {:>). Fly safe!!
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> > really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air
> > Attack missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
> > push-pull or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
> > of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC)
> > platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam,
> > flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission is very
> > similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by
> > marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see the targets
> > which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the jungle canopy on
> > the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the helicopters and
> > water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference I see in the
> > missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
> > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and
> > two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two
> > 430's I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the
> > most useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
> > rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very
> > limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close
> > proximity all day long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with
> > all these elements (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I
> > use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for
> > navigation. The terrain feature is really a comfort as it is difficult
> > with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by visual reference if I am
> > higher than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The TCAS feature on the
> > 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning of any
> > intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named)
> > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and
> > they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> > misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN
> > while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK
> > numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots,
> > ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I
> > can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> > consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and
> > it is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
> > prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the
> > occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I
> > find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with
> > XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I win the lottery
> > and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the 296 for at least
> > 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the money there is no
> > comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't get a plug
> > nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> > little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> > snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to
> > areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
> > structures.
> > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you
> > guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> > terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
> > Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to
> > that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> >
> > Y'all fly safe,
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Ron,
I would like to thank you and help you.
First the thanks. It is good to know someone is out West helping
protect all of those beautiful trees! Just think in few years they will
all be cut down to make copy paper.
Second, the help. As you are most likely very concerned about your
beautiful RV-8 sitting in the hanger corroding out here in the high
humidity that is Gold Hill and the rest of the Piedmont. I will be more
than happy to offer my services to fly it a few times a week just to
keep the cylinders from rusting and to blow the moisture out of the
fuselage.
You can email me off list with the location of your keys and credit card
number. (For the fuel, of course, you don't think I would do this on my
own nickel do ya?)
No need to thank me for my generosity. Oh, and don't worry, I'll cover
the gas it takes me to drive from Huntersville to Gold Hill. That is
the least I can do for someone who is helping to protect our natural
resources.
Bill
Seriously, it sounds like you are doing some very demanding flying out
there. Best of luck!
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ronschreck@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air
Attack missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
push-pull or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control
(FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in
Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission
is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on
targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see
the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the
jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the
helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
of bo mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios
and two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having
two 430's I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be
the most useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is
very rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is
sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters
working in close proximity all day long. The missions can last for 6
hours at a time with all these elements (terrain, traffic and poor
visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS,
one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really a
comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine
by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing
ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
and gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
named) this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
zone and they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had
two near misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and
TERRAIN while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly
and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing
spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries,
etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and
read it off.
Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice
and it is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable
display I prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to
handle the occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my
GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure
the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I
win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the
296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the
money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and
didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little
sucker!
There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall
or snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading
to areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
structures.
I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
you guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward
to that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
Y'all fly safe,
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Bill,
If you recall, I did not build my 296 into the panel. I made a bracket for it
at the base of the panel so I can swivel it for best viewing and easily remove
it to another airplane.
Ron do not archive
>
> From: sportav8r@aol.com
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 06:41:46 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> Ron,
>
> I like my 296, too, but never imained I'd want to consider keeping it in the
panel when I upgrade to GRT dual EFIS and internal GPS. Quit messing with my
made-up mind, will ya?! I've already cut my panel blanks!
>
> (I am considering adding an AvMap EKP-IV with its beautiful display on the passenger's
side for added situational awareness.)
>
> I have this mental picture of someone out there at the mission control saying
on the radio, "What the hell - we've got a Mix-master out here shooting white
phosphorus rockets into the forest!"
>
> "That's gotta be Schreck having a flash-back! Miss Izzy, break off, I say again,
break off!"
>
> Don't work too hard out there, Ron. Your R&R is coming up soon. Keep your noodle
cool!
>
> Thanks again for the nice card you and Kathy sent after the fly-in.
>
> -Stormy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 3:01 PM
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting forest
> fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is really an
> advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack missions for
> the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull or suck and blow
> twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military O-2 that the Air
> Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was
a
> Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the
> Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber
> aircraft in on targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they
> could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the
> jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the
> helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only difference
I
> see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead of bo
> mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios and two
> Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two 430's I still
> bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the most useful piece of
> equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very rugged with peaks topping
> 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then
> there are up to 4 helicopters working in close proximity all day long. The
> missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all these elements (terrain,
> traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one
> on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really
a
> comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine by
> visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing ahead. The
> TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's and gives me warning
> of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately named) this
> week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire zone and they somehow
> don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near misses with helo's.
> Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the 296 is used to keep
> track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire
> (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes
and
> TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting
> "enter" and read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to consider
> one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it is IFR
> certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I prefer the 296.
> I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC approach and
> even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece
> of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will
> upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow
> with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For
the
> money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and didn't
> get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is little
> chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or snow. Best
> we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas with more
> fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with you guys.
> Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this terrain! I'll be
> back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke. Hope to see you
> all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep the email
> coming. Its the highlight of my day.
>
> Y'all fly safe,
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Thanks Ben. I know I can count on you!
Ron do not archive
>
> From: "ben burril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 10:07:25 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "ben burril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Ron,We are all sitting here on the east coast just going to work at the pie
> factory tasting pie for a living in the air condition.Your having to fly
> someone else equipment in washington st were the senarey is out of a post
> card.I think i will go cry myself to sleep now.Be careful out there and
> don,t worry about kathy.I,am sure you will know everybody that calls to
> check on her for you.LOL
>
> Ben ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:04 PM
>
>
> > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi Radar,
> >
> > Glad you are getting some good use out of the 396. Maybe with the coming
> of the 496 the price of the older models will come down. I wish the XM
> subscription was less expensive.
> >
> > What CD is Stu sending? Pictures?
> >
> > Speaking of picures, I mentioned to Len that you should send one of those
> great shots to Van's and see if it makes the 2007 Calendar. Maybe you could
> even get some $$$ for it! You should go professional.
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC do not archive
> > >
> > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:47:17 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> > >
> > > Good to hear from you Ron!
> > >
> > > For the crew that was at the clinc, I should have the CDs from Stu any
> day
> > > now. I will get copies to you later.
> > >
> > > Regarding the x96 from Garmin ... I put the 396 and the KMD 150 to good
> use
> > > on the way back (along with the autopilot). The viz got really low at
> times
> > > and when you have to cross the mountains (that would be foothills to you
> > > Ron! :-) ), you really want something that supports what you think you
> see
> > > outside.
> > >
> > > And with the weather being very "iffy" this past week, having weather
> > > onboard is far more valuable than most realize.
> > >
> > > Fly safe, see ya soon for another practice.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/4/06, ronschreck@windstream.net <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Len,
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention that it is HOT here too. It was approaching 110 degrees
> > > > last week but the highs are down to high 80 this week. Fortunately we
> > > > seldom get below 9000 feet on the fire so its cool enough. You guys
> need to
> > > > take the formation practice up to 6000 feet+ and keep that fine edge.
> The
> > > > pictures from Oshkosh are super. Looks like all that training was put
> to
> > > > good use. I can't get over the fine pictures James took of "Miss
> > > > Izzy". What a shot! He should submit one of those for the 2007 Van's
> > > > calendar!
> > > > I'm taking a breather this morning and expect to be back on the fire
> about
> > > > 3 PM until it gets dark. Fortunately the fire calms down at night,
> but it
> > > > wakes up when the sun hits the slopes.
> > > > Who is coming to Ocracoke. I have a rough idea, but no a firm
> > > > list. Anybody else want to come? I think there are some rooms left
> at the
> > > > Ocracoke Island Inn. I hear the owner is a pilot, so he should
> welcome all
> > > > RV folks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fly safe, Ron do not archive
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Lenleg@aol.com
> > > > > Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 03:12:16 EDT
> > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron:
> > > > >
> > > > > Great story ... felt my pucker factor go up as I was reading and
> > > > mentally
> > > > > flying in the smokey haze !!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Please be safe !! It is soooo HOT here that no one is talking
> > > > much about
> > > > > flying ... cooler wx is forecast ... thank goodness.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW ... I am a double card FFI Wingman ... still have yours in my
> > > > pocket too
> > > > > !! Look forward to seeing you back in NC !!
> > > > >
> > > > > Len
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by:
> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month
> fighting
> > > > > forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing.
> This is
> > > > really an
> > > > > advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air Attack
> > > > missions
> > > > > for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the push-pull
> or
> > > > suck and
> > > > > blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version of the military
> O-2
> > > > that
> > > > > the Air Force used as a forward air control (FAC) platform. Too
> many
> > > > years
> > > > > ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in Vietnam, flying the OV-10
> Bronco
> > > > and I
> > > > > find that the Air Attack mission is very similar. As a FAC, I
> directed
> > > > > fighter/bomber aircraft in on targets by marking with a white
> phosphorus
> > > > (WP) rocket
> > > > > so they could see the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged
> or
> > > > > hidden in the jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air
> Attack
> > > > I direct
> > > > > the helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The
> only
> > > > > difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water
> instead
> > > > of bo
> > > > > mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> > > > > Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios
> and
> > > > two
> > > > > Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having two
> 430's
> > > > I
> > > > > still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be the
> most
> > > > useful
> > > > > piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is very
> rugged
> > > > with peaks
> > > > > topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is sometimes very limited due
> to
> > > > > smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters working in close
> proximity
> > > > all day
> > > > > long. The missions can last for 6 hours at a time with all
> > > > these elements
> > > > > (terrain, traffic and poor visibility) commonplace. I use all
> three
> > > > Garmins at
> > > > > once: one on TCAS, one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The
> terrain
> > > > feature
> > > > > is really a comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke)
> horizon
> > > > to
> > > > > determine by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I
> plan on
> > > > crossing
> > > > > ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the
> helo's
> > > > and
> > > > > gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> > > > > ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> > > > named)
> > > > > this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
> zone
> > > > and they
> > > > > somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had two near
> > > > misses with
> > > > > helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and TERRAIN while the
> 296
> > > > is
> > > > > used to keep track of navigation. I overfly and MARK numerous
> spots of
> > > > > interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing spots, ground troop
> > > > positions, helo
> > > > > "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries, etc.) I can pass coordinates of
> > > > any spot
> > > > > just by hitting "enter" and read it off.
> > > > > Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> > > > consider
> > > > > one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice and it
> is
> > > > IFR
> > > > > certified, but for ease of operation and more readable display I
> prefer
> > > > the 296.
> > > > > I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to handle the occasional IMC
> > > > approach
> > > > > and even with in internal GPS in my GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my
> most
> > > > useful
> > > > > piece of avionics. I'm sure the 396 with XM weather is even nicer
> and
> > > > maybe
> > > > > I will upgrade when I win the lottery and send the 296 to the back
> > > > seat. I
> > > > > have flow with the 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop
> raving
> > > > about
> > > > > it. For the money there is no comparison. (No, I am not
> > > > associated with
> > > > > Garmin and didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like
> that
> > > > little
> > > > > sucker!
> > > > > There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> > > > little
> > > > > chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall or
> > > > snow. Best
> > > > > we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading to areas
> with
> > > > more
> > > > > fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten structures.
> > > > > I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
> you
> > > > guys.
> > > > > Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> > > > terrain! I'll
> > > > > be back at the end of August in time for the flight to Ocracoke.
> Hope
> > > > to see
> > > > > you all there. Kathy is really looking forward to that, too. Keep
> the
> > > > > email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Y'all fly safe,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Schreck
> > > > > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > > > > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> > > james@nextupventures.com .
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--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi Bill,
Wow! With Ben looking after my wife and you looking after my airplane I will surely
feel a warm fuzzy every night when I go to bed. Such friends are hard to
come by. ;-)
Ron do not archive
>
> From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
> Date: 2006/08/04 Fri PM 11:09:45 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Garmin 296
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Ron,
>
> I would like to thank you and help you.
>
> First the thanks. It is good to know someone is out West helping
> protect all of those beautiful trees! Just think in few years they will
> all be cut down to make copy paper.
>
> Second, the help. As you are most likely very concerned about your
> beautiful RV-8 sitting in the hanger corroding out here in the high
> humidity that is Gold Hill and the rest of the Piedmont. I will be more
> than happy to offer my services to fly it a few times a week just to
> keep the cylinders from rusting and to blow the moisture out of the
> fuselage.
>
> You can email me off list with the location of your keys and credit card
> number. (For the fuel, of course, you don't think I would do this on my
> own nickel do ya?)
>
> No need to thank me for my generosity. Oh, and don't worry, I'll cover
> the gas it takes me to drive from Huntersville to Gold Hill. That is
> the least I can do for someone who is helping to protect our natural
> resources.
>
> Bill
>
> Seriously, it sounds like you are doing some very demanding flying out
> there. Best of luck!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ronschreck@windstream.net
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:01 PM
>
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm stuck out here in Wenatchee, Washington for about a month fighting
> forest fires and thought I would tell you all what I am doing. This is
> really an advertisement for the Garmin handheld GPS! I'm flying Air
> Attack missions for the US Forest Service in a Cessna 337 Skymaster (the
> push-pull or suck and blow twin engine type.) It's the civilian version
> of the military O-2 that the Air Force used as a forward air control
> (FAC) platform. Too many years ago I was a Forward Air Contoller in
> Vietnam, flying the OV-10 Bronco and I find that the Air Attack mission
> is very similar. As a FAC, I directed fighter/bomber aircraft in on
> targets by marking with a white phosphorus (WP) rocket so they could see
> the targets which were usually heavily camoflaged or hidden in the
> jungle canopy on the Ho Chi Minh trail. As an Air Attack I direct the
> helicopters and water bombers that fight the wildfires. The only
> difference I see in the missions is that we are dropping water instead
> of bo mbs and nobody is shooting at me this time!
> Our aircraft are well-equipped with two FM radios and two AM radios
> and two Garmin 430's with terrain and traffic (TCAS). Despite having
> two 430's I still bring along my personnal Garmin 296 and find it to be
> the most useful piece of equipment in the aircraft. The terrain here is
> very rugged with peaks topping 13,000 feet and the visibility is
> sometimes very limited due to smoke. Then there are up to 4 helicopters
> working in close proximity all day long. The missions can last for 6
> hours at a time with all these elements (terrain, traffic and poor
> visibility) commonplace. I use all three Garmins at once: one on TCAS,
> one on TERRAIN and one for navigation. The terrain feature is really a
> comfort as it is difficult with an occluded (smoke) horizon to determine
> by visual reference if I am higher than the terrain I plan on crossing
> ahead. The TCAS feature on the 430 helps me keep track of the helo's
> and gives me warning of any intruders in the TFR that overlays every f
> ire. We have had three intrusions by A-6 Intruders (appropriately
> named) this week as a low lever (VR) route goes right through the fire
> zone and they somehow don't get briefed on the TFR. Yesterday one had
> two near misses with helo's. Scarry! So, I use the 430s for TCAS and
> TERRAIN while the 296 is used to keep track of navigation. I overfly
> and MARK numerous spots of interest in the fire (hot spots, helo landing
> spots, ground troop positions, helo "dipping" lakes and TRF boundaries,
> etc.) I can pass coordinates of any spot just by hitting "enter" and
> read it off.
> Those of you planning your panel layout would be well-advised to
> consider one of the Garmin -96 series in your plans. The 430 is nice
> and it is IFR certified, but for ease of operation and more readable
> display I prefer the 296. I put a SL-30 nav/comm in "Miss Izzy" to
> handle the occasional IMC approach and even with in internal GPS in my
> GRT EFIS I find the 296 is my most useful piece of avionics. I'm sure
> the 396 with XM weather is even nicer and maybe I will upgrade when I
> win the lottery and send the 296 to the back seat. I have flow with the
> 296 for at least 500 hours now and can't stop raving about it. For the
> money there is no comparison. (No, I am not associated with Garmin and
> didn't get a plug nickel for any of this!) I just like that little
> sucker!
> There are 4 or 5 major fires in Washington right now and there is
> little chance that we will put them out before the first major rainfall
> or snow. Best we can do is "manage" the fire and keep it from spreading
> to areas with more fuel (dead or diseased timber) or areas that threaten
> structures.
> I miss flying my RV-8 while I am here and I sure miss flying with
> you guys. Sure would be nice to have that RV climb performance in this
> terrain! I'll be back at the end of August in time for the flight to
> Ocracoke. Hope to see you all there. Kathy is really looking forward
> to that, too. Keep the email coming. Its the highlight of my day.
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> Y'all fly safe,
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> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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