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1. 05:06 AM - Re: Change of plans (Randy Utsey)
2. 01:26 PM - Dynon or Grand Rapids (George Tamvakis)
3. 01:44 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (Paul D. Franzon)
4. 01:57 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (George Tamvakis)
5. 02:48 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (Radomir Zaric)
6. 03:07 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (Larry Bowen)
7. 04:52 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (Marcus Cooper)
8. 05:20 PM - Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids (Bill Repucci)
9. 08:49 PM - Anniversary (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: Change of plans |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Randy Utsey" <djdist@bellsouth.net>
Enjoyed the flying on Saturday!
Fly safe,
Randy Utsey
D.J. Distributing Co.
1429 Bryant St.
Charlotte, NC 28208
800-585-4126
djdist@bellsouth.net
www.djdist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "tadsargent" <tadsargent@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Change of plans
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "tadsargent"
> <tadsargent@bellsouth.net>
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> Tailwinds,
> Tad
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> To: "SERV" <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:08 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Change of plans
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>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
>> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Lynnie and I decided to leave today instead of tomorrow. We are going to
>> Branson MO today, KC Monday or Tuesday and then on to Denver.
>> We expect to have e-mail and plan to be home on Wednesday Sept. 20. Have
>> fun and fly safe.
>>
>> Cappy
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dynon or Grand Rapids |
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the
point of wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am
ready to buy next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do want
also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual screen
package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM option or
get a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks much better
for the Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra comes for
the GRTto justify the money?
Thanks
George
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| Subject: | Dynon or Grand Rapids |
I just went through this and bought the Dynon, partly because the -10 fits
in my existing panel.
For a 2 screen configuraition, the GRT is a well thought through integrated,
highly redundant 2 screen product - almost like a big iron airplane setup.
The Dynon is really one screen for EFIS, the other for engine with some
simple redundancy. One advantage of the GRT is it has a faster processor,
meaning more software upgradability. It also has more IFR features (HITS,
horizontal situation display). You are basicly paying for more CPU, a GPS,
and more SW.
If I wanted a serious (real serious) IFR capability, I would consider the
GRT. However, having flown IFR a lot on steam gauges, any EFIS is a step up
for me though. I'll be happy with the Dynon and a Garmin!
Paul D. Franzon
443 Monteith GRC
ECE, Box 7911, Raleigh, NC 27695
MRC 223, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27604
paulf@ncsu.edu , www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the point of
wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am ready to buy
next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do want
also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual screen
package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM option or get
a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks much better for the
Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra comes for the GRTto
justify the money?
Thanks
George
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids |
Thanks for the input Paul I live in Greenville NC and building an RV7A.
George
RV 7A
Greenville NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul D. Franzon
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I just went through this and bought the Dynon, partly because the -10
fits in my existing panel.
For a 2 screen configuraition, the GRT is a well thought through
integrated, highly redundant 2 screen product - almost like a big iron
airplane setup. The Dynon is really one screen for EFIS, the other for
engine with some simple redundancy. One advantage of the GRT is it has
a faster processor, meaning more software upgradability. It also has
more IFR features (HITS, horizontal situation display). You are basicly
paying for more CPU, a GPS, and more SW.
If I wanted a serious (real serious) IFR capability, I would consider
the GRT. However, having flown IFR a lot on steam gauges, any EFIS is a
step up for me though. I'll be happy with the Dynon and a Garmin!
Paul D. Franzon
443 Monteith GRC
ECE, Box 7911, Raleigh, NC 27695
MRC 223, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27604
paulf@ncsu.edu , www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the
point of wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am
ready to buy next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do
want also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual
screen package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM
option or get a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks
much better for the Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra
comes for the GRTto justify the money?
Thanks
George
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| Subject: | Dynon or Grand Rapids |
Looks like you compared the more expensive GRT product (Horizon I) to Dynon,
and those two can't even begin to compare feature-wise. What I'd recommend
is compare GRT Sport with Dynon..
Dual GRT Sport w/ moving map 6,200 + 1,500 for XM weather = $7,700
(includes engine monitor with all probes)
Dual Dynon setup (2,400 EFIS + 2,000 engine + 600 probes + 2,200 Garmin 396)
= $7,200 (+ 100 for AirGizmo) = 7,300
Not that much of a difference. GRT Sport still has some features that Dynon
doesn't. but both have their strengths and weaknesses. You'll be happy
with whichever one you choose.
PS. Shop around and you may be able to beat those prices I listed above. ;)
HTH
Radomir
(GRT biased)
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the point of
wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am ready to buy
next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do want
also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual screen
package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM option or get
a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks much better for the
Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra comes for the GRTto
justify the money?
Thanks
George
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon or Grand Rapids |
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Larry Bowen <Larry@BowenAero.com>
The AFS products are my current favorites. You might take a look
before you decide.
http://www.advanced-control-systems.com
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Quoting George Tamvakis <gtamvakis@earthlink.net>:
> I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the
> point of wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I
> am ready to buy next a couple of weeks.
> So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do
> want also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT
> dual screen package with the internal GPS module and then buy also
> an XM option or get a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math
> looks much better for the Dynon at considerable savings so were
> does the extra comes for the GRTto justify the money?
>
> Thanks
> George
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| Subject: | Dynon or Grand Rapids |
George,
I opted for both, I have the dual EFIS and also the Dynon D-10A for my
backup. The comparison is a little apples to oranges in that the Dynon is
only an EFIS (or EIFS and EIS), while the GRT is an EFIS, Moving Map, and
EIS. You will not be able to legally fly IFR with the Dynon/396 combo so
weigh that into your decision as well. The GRT folks also claim their EFIS
w/GPS is VFR so really in either case you should have some other avionics (I
opted for a 480 and SL-30 and am very pleased). If you do get other
avionics, they tie in nicely with the GRT both on the EFIS (flight director,
ILS needles, "Highway in The Sky" flight director) and moving map displays.
The Dynon is a stand alone and therefore you can't use it as a NAV display.
The Dynon is a nice little unit, however I have had some serious temperature
issues with mine that I will be contacting Dynon about. If it gets a little
warm, long before it provides a warning it goes stupid and slows down
significantly and no longer provides valid attitude information. Not at all
acceptable when flying IFR! I've made some changes in my cooling and also
just upgraded to their new firmware (the literature made no comment about
fixing temperature problems) so hopefully it will no longer be an issue. It
does have a built in overtemp warning mode, however mine went stupid without
triggering it.
Another consideration is you can upgrade the GRT for XM weather
down the road if you want. You could also do that with a 496 if desired,
but again you are going to be VFR only unless you are planning other IFR nav
radios.
In my opinion, the GRT was definitely worth the extra cash in the redundant
display, the engine monitoring, and the vast moving map with lots of built
in information. When you consider the Dynon with EIS combo and a 396 the
price is remarkably similar to a Dual GRT with EIS.
If you do opt for the Dynon, I would suggest the larger D-100 as I suspect
it will be a little easier to read.
FWIW both systems remained reliable in aileron rolls ;)
Marcus
4.5 hours left in the test box!
Do not archive
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the point of
wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am ready to buy
next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do want
also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual screen
package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM option or get
a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks much better for the
Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra comes for the GRTto
justify the money?
Thanks
George
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| Subject: | Dynon or Grand Rapids |
George,
There is a lot to this choice. My biggest consideration was that my -9
will be a day/night VFR ship only so my selection of Dynon's IFR
capability didn't come into play.
However, what did come into play was Dynon's reputation for enhancing
the product and in talking to them, they are moving towards a HITS
display. When, if ever, that will happen is unknown. However, with the
latest free software upgrade (they are all free with Dynon) the HSI
screen they have can be driven by an SL30, not just the x96 hand held
GPS's. I suspect it won't be long until they also include the glide
slope on their display.
I opted to go with the older engine monitor on my right side and the
D100 7" display on the left.
Here are some pictures:
EFIS and EMS displays:
http://www.repucci.com/bill/panel/dynon%20low%20oil%20p%20warning%202.jp
g
EFIS w/ EMS and EMS:
http://www.repucci.com/bill/panel/dynon%20low%20oil%20p%20warning.jpg
EFIS w/ EMS and EMS displaying EFIS info:
http://www.repucci.com/bill/panel/dynon%20talk.jpg
Good luck with your decision, it will not be easy.
BTW, I wouldn't buy anything until the last minute because this stuff
changes so fast!
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
Thanks for the input Paul I live in Greenville NC and building an RV7A.
George
RV 7A
Greenville NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul D. Franzon <mailto:paulf@ncsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I just went through this and bought the Dynon, partly because the -10
fits in my existing panel.
For a 2 screen configuraition, the GRT is a well thought through
integrated, highly redundant 2 screen product - almost like a big iron
airplane setup. The Dynon is really one screen for EFIS, the other for
engine with some simple redundancy. One advantage of the GRT is it has
a faster processor, meaning more software upgradability. It also has
more IFR features (HITS, horizontal situation display). You are basicly
paying for more CPU, a GPS, and more SW.
If I wanted a serious (real serious) IFR capability, I would consider
the GRT. However, having flown IFR a lot on steam gauges, any EFIS is a
step up for me though. I'll be happy with the Dynon and a Garmin!
Paul D. Franzon
443 Monteith GRC
ECE, Box 7911, Raleigh, NC 27695
MRC 223, 2410 Campus Shore Dr., Raleigh NC 27604
paulf@ncsu.edu , www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/faculty/paulf.html
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Tamvakis
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Dynon or Grand Rapids
I dont mean to start a debate (even though it will) but i am at the
point of wiring and i need to make a decision on an EFIS system. I am
ready to buy next a couple of weeks.
So here it goes. Why should I buy a Dynon or a GRT dual screen I do want
also a GPS and XM so the way I see it I can either get a GRT dual screen
package with the internal GPS module and then buy also an XM option or
get a Dynon dual screen with a Garmin 396 .The math looks much better
for the Dynon at considerable savings so were does the extra comes for
the GRTto justify the money?
Thanks
George
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
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Lots of somber memories today, 9/11. But on a more cheerful note, two years
ago Nifty took to the air for the first time. 220 hours have "flown" past
since then. Great times....
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, RV-7 rudder....
Larry@BowenAero.com
<http://bowenaero.com/> http://BowenAero.com
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